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[wondermega]

I’m Marveled out, none of this sounds too interesting to me. On the one hand, I feel like whenever they get around to the X-men, that will be a giant shot in the arm to the MCU in many ways. But on the other hand, I feel like they (understandably) need a solid several years to pass to let people just forget about the Fox version (which had its ups and downs, but overall was successful and memorable - just not attached to a bigger shared Universe). I’ve actually re watched a few of the older MCU movies for the first time in several years and enjoyed them (1st 2 Captain Americas, 1st 2 Avengers) and I feel a little sad that they seem so distant now, at least the freshness they brought. Infinity War was the peak (it really was great) but it all feels a little too.. collapsing under its own weight at this point to me. Maybe I’m just old and a little tired of movies, or just tired of the current formula that they use to make these.

 

[GeorgPrime]

double post

 

[GeorgPrime]

Damn. Angelina Jolie looks great in the trailer

WHERE THE FUCK IS BLADE????

Waiting to kill off Nightcrawler when the X-Man join the Marvel Universum

 

[kruis]

Fucking pumped for all of this. I keep waiting to burn out on the MCU and it just keeps not happening.

Same here. I can't help being excited for new Marvel movies, it's the opposite for DC movies that only elicit groans.

 

[T8SC]

Time for comic book movies to go the way of Westerns.





... after I see Scarlett in that black leather.

 

[TonyK]

I want to see all of them!!

 

[bitbydeath]

Unlike her daddy, Angelina Jolie has never been in a good movie nor will she be remembered as a good actor.

Spoiler: jm2c

Don´t give a damn!
Black Panther was boring (Part 2 gonna be same, another history lesson about wakanda)
Eternals the Cosplayers Revolution (can´t take them seriously)
Shang-Ri-La-Kun-Fu (create new hero with no pwr only to please a demographic)
Dr.Strange was boring (he seems to be powerful; he better be fixing the world)
Spiderman 2 in France was bad
Boring C-Team with that Stone Guy and Elasto Man Part 4 (eh)


Hot damn!
Antman has overstayed its welcome (but at least they´re watchable)
Black Widow is passing the torch to her Apprentice apparently ...
Thor 4 is always watchable, hopefully as good as Ragnarok
The Marvels? No idea, is this the new Avengers team? If so, what are the Eternals?
GOTG3 The previous 2 were funny thanks to that WWE wrestler. He better be in it!

Lies, have you never watched Girl Interrupted?

 

[bitbydeath]

I’m Marveled out, none of this sounds too interesting to me. On the one hand, I feel like whenever they get around to the X-men, that will be a giant shot in the arm to the MCU in many ways. But on the other hand, I feel like they (understandably) need a solid several years to pass to let people just forget about the Fox version (which had its ups and downs, but overall was successful and memorable - just not attached to a bigger shared Universe). I’ve actually re watched a few of the older MCU movies for the first time in several years and enjoyed them (1st 2 Captain Americas, 1st 2 Avengers) and I feel a little sad that they seem so distant now, at least the freshness they brought. Infinity War was the peak (it really was great) but it all feels a little too.. collapsing under its own weight at this point to me. Maybe I’m just old and a little tired of movies, or just tired of the current formula that they use to make these.

I was feeling burned out after End Game but WandaVision made it much more interesting again, I’d recommend it if you haven’t watched it yet.

 

[bitbydeath]

I’m glad Captain Marvel 2 isn’t just about Carol Danvers, might make it watchable.

Spoiler

 

[strange headache]

It's been 20 years now.

Exactly.

If it matters, Wandavision was a departure from the regular Marvel formula, even if the finale hit some familiar notes.

Wandavision is a derivative take on the sitcom format throughout the decades. I found it rather boring and without much substance.

If telling the same origin stories and riffing on existing movie formats is enough to keep you entertained, that's fine. For me a mere change in costumes is simply not enough. Especially when considering the fact that the new heroes they are focusing on, are themselves nothing more than derivatives of the more well-known ones. Moving away from their archetypical and globally recognized heroes to these new characters is like switching to the B-Team in sports.

 

[sol_bad]

Endgame
Far From Home
WandaVision
Falcon and the Winter Soldier

Or if you want to do it chronologically:

Endgame
WandaVision (3 months after Endgame)
Falcon and the Winter Soldier (6 months after Endgame)
Far From Home (8 months after Endgame)

After Infinity War, it's actually 4 movies.


Ant-Man and the Wasp
Captain Marvel
Endgame
Far From Home

 

[plushyp]

dont listen to this guy. watch the whole thing it was hype as fuck!

did that 4 stand for fantastic four or phase 4? both?

Sure whatever floats your boat. Just saving time for people who want to watch the clips and none of the marketing bs.

 

[ManaByte]

dont listen to this guy. watch the whole thing it was hype as fuck!

did that 4 stand for fantastic four or phase 4? both?

Fantastic Four. It's the same logo Feige showed when he announced the movie in December:

 

[Davey Cakes]

After Infinity War, it's actually 4 movies.


Ant-Man and the Wasp
Captain Marvel
Endgame
Far From Home

Wow. I didn't forget about Ant-Man and the Wasp, but I did forget that it came out after Infinity War.

As for the post IW content, I kind of recommend...all of it? Ant Man 2 was no worse than the rest of the middle-tier Marvel stuff, and was an overall fun movie with ONE critical after-credits sequence. Obviously Endgame is a must-see. I thought Spiderman: Far from Home was up there with Homecoming, but not as fresh. The two shows (Wandavision and Falcon) are flawed but endear the viewer to the characters a bit more.

 

[Yoboman]

I’m Marveled out, none of this sounds too interesting to me. On the one hand, I feel like whenever they get around to the X-men, that will be a giant shot in the arm to the MCU in many ways. But on the other hand, I feel like they (understandably) need a solid several years to pass to let people just forget about the Fox version (which had its ups and downs, but overall was successful and memorable - just not attached to a bigger shared Universe). I’ve actually re watched a few of the older MCU movies for the first time in several years and enjoyed them (1st 2 Captain Americas, 1st 2 Avengers) and I feel a little sad that they seem so distant now, at least the freshness they brought. Infinity War was the peak (it really was great) but it all feels a little too.. collapsing under its own weight at this point to me. Maybe I’m just old and a little tired of movies, or just tired of the current formula that they use to make these.

They are definitely in a rebuild. None of these feel like tent poles for the whole series like Captain America and Ironman movies were and with Chadwick Boseman dying after Black Panther was an obvious choice to carry into the future, they essentially need to rebuild the brand with new stars.

They still have Thor and Guardians at least, and Spiderman is always a guaranteed success

I’ll keep an open mind though. I think their TV shows so far have done a good job making the B-tier heroes more worthwhile when given their own spotlight

 

[triplestation]

i was basically yawning through all that until the end

dat subtle fantastic 4 tease

that's what's gonna rejuvenate this brand

no x-men yet but that will fire things up again too

 

[bitbydeath]

Exactly.


Wandavision is a derivative take on the sitcom format throughout the decades. I found it rather boring and without much substance.

If telling the same origin stories and riffing on existing movie formats is enough to keep you entertained, that's fine. For me a mere change in costumes is simply not enough. Especially when considering the fact that the new heroes they are focusing on, are themselves nothing more than derivatives of the more well-known ones. Moving away from their archetypical and globally recognized heroes to these new characters is like switching to the B-Team in sports.

It wasn’t just a change of costumes, it had mystery and intrigue. A lot of Marvel movies point out the bad guy and is about the good guys putting a stop to them, this wasn’t that.

 

[BouncyFrag]

Wants moar Killgrave content.

 

[DeafTourette]

I'm definitely skipping the shows. Ain't nobody got time for that.

You'll be a little bit lost then. Some changes happened in the shows ...

Especially in WandaVision.

WandaVision is 9 episodes. Falcon and the Winter Soldier is 6.

 

[sol_bad]

I’m Marveled out, none of this sounds too interesting to me. On the one hand, I feel like whenever they get around to the X-men, that will be a giant shot in the arm to the MCU in many ways. But on the other hand, I feel like they (understandably) need a solid several years to pass to let people just forget about the Fox version (which had its ups and downs, but overall was successful and memorable - just not attached to a bigger shared Universe). I’ve actually re watched a few of the older MCU movies for the first time in several years and enjoyed them (1st 2 Captain Americas, 1st 2 Avengers) and I feel a little sad that they seem so distant now, at least the freshness they brought. Infinity War was the peak (it really was great) but it all feels a little too.. collapsing under its own weight at this point to me. Maybe I’m just old and a little tired of movies, or just tired of the current formula that they use to make these.

What's the current formula?

 

[Neolombax]

I'm most curious about The Eternals, and Spiderman. Shang-Chi looks like a fun movie. The others I am indifferent about. After Endgame, I sort of almost lost all interest in everything Marvel.

 

[sol_bad]

I’m glad Captain Marvel 2 isn’t just about Carol Danvers, might make it watchable.

Really impressed with her suit, looks great. Wish I didn't see it until the show reveal though.

 

[TaylorSwiftFan]

Nothing really of interest in this line-up. It really looks like the MCU has run out of A-listers.

 

[bitbydeath]

Really impressed with her suit, looks great. Wish I didn't see it until the show reveal though.

Oh sorry, will spoiler it.

 

[UnNamed]

So no Xmen?

 

[YCoCg]

So no Xmen?

Phase 5.

 

[ManaByte]

Phase 5.

Feige said they weren‘t in the five year plan they were executing when the Fox purchase happened. No one listened.

 

[Phoenix RISING]

WHERE THE FUCK IS BLADE????

Agreed.

 

[Spaceman292]

WHERE THE FUCK IS BLADE????

Isn't he in jail for tax avoidance?

 

[DeafTourette]

Isn't he in jail for tax avoidance?

Wesley has been out for a number of years

 

[MastaKiiLA]

I'm definitely skipping the shows. Ain't nobody got time for that.

The shows are short, and entertaining. As someone else noted, there are universe developments in each. Wandavision will setup the multiverse movie. Falcon and Winter Soldier will probably integrate Zemo and the Flagsmashers into one of the movie plots as well. At least the events that transpired as a result of their actions.

I doubt they're required viewing for the movies, but they'll no doubt provide context so that you aren't digging through a wiki after you leave the theater. If you spend time watching any series on streaming services, like The Expanse, The Boys, The Mandalorian, etc, then you might as well watch the Marvel shows. They're like mini-series with higher production value than your average TV show. Given how the first 2 have gone, Loki should be awesome.

 

[Valedix]

Dat was a hype af trailer, always love Marvel.

 

[Punished Miku]

Feige said they weren‘t in the five year plan they were executing when the Fox purchase happened. No one listened.

Going to be really weird acting like the public hates mutants after 20 years of Avengers and Eternals and Fantastic Four are all mostly publicly known groups.

I guess we'll see how they tackle that one.

 

[RavenSan]

I really liked Falcon and the Winter Soldier but Wandavision was so-so. I'm a bit marvel-fatigued at the minute. I want more stuff like Thor: Ragnarok which didn't feel like a paint-by-numbers superhero movie.

 

[Spaceman292]

Wesley has been out for a number of years

I know but it's still funny

 

[VAL0R]

Meh...
Looks like Marvel is doomed to repeat the same movie over and over again.

Also, how many times do I have to watch the same cringey clicheed move where somebody lands on a knee from a high jump and menacingly looks upwards?

Agreed on the overdone super corny superhero landing. That one you have pictured is a particularly egregious example. We get it, Marvel. Please stop.

 

[Ulysses 31]

Going to be really weird acting like the public hates mutants after 20 years of Avengers and Eternals and Fantastic Four are all mostly publicly known groups.

I guess we'll see how they tackle that one.

Falcon and Wintersoldier shows that the current writers have no qualms inventing problems that weren't a problem before like people being completely erased from history and suddenly get recognition again, even though there's no proof.

Or that's there a racial component to being Captain America while Steve Rogers showed none of that in Endgame.

 

[MastaKiiLA]

Falcon and Wintersoldier shows that the current writers have no qualms inventing problems that weren't a problem before like people being completely erased from history and suddenly get recognition again, even though there's no proof.

Or that's there a racial component to being Captain America while Steve Rogers showed none of that in Endgame.

Isaiah Bradley is Marvel canon now, and the comics telling his story are now 17 years old. It is very much a story about race, and the government's supression of his existence, which would be exactly why Endgame didn't reveal anything about this. It's revelation was made in the TV show.

The whole GRC thing was actually very interesting, and the show didn't give it enough room to breathe. If half the population disappeared, society would change, and people would end up moving into previously occupied homes, only to then be displaced once everyone reappeared. Endgame wasn't the time to tell that story. It had way too much going on to make that an epilogue. Wandavision didn't have the space for it either, with the multiverse being central to that story. Falcon and Winter Solder was a good place to introduce it, but they'll need to address it at some other point in the future. Cap's speech in the finale doesn't quite put a bow on what has to be a very difficult situation.

 

[DeepBreath87]

Marvel is a dying star.

 

[Ulysses 31]

Isaiah Bradley is Marvel canon now, and the comics telling his story are now 17 years old. It is very much a story about race, and the government's supression of his existence, which would be exactly why Endgame didn't reveal anything about this. It's revelation was made in the TV show.

The whole GRC thing was actually very interesting, and the show didn't give it enough room to breathe. If half the population disappeared, society would change, and people would end up moving into previously occupied homes, only to then be displaced once everyone reappeared. Endgame wasn't the time to tell that story. It had way too much going on to make that an epilogue. Wandavision didn't have the space for it either, with the multiverse being central to that story. Falcon and Winter Solder was a good place to introduce it, but they'll need to address it at some other point in the future. Cap's speech in the finale doesn't quite put a bow on what has to be a very difficult situation.

Doesn't change anything if it's from the comics, the way it's written in the TV show is like a child's view of all the complexities involved in erasing someone like Isaiah from history like that and how it's being resolved, same with Sam's do better line when he's shown no insight of what the GRC has to deal with. He's assumes there's better alternatives while in reality he doesn't know if there are with resources available.

 

[QuantumZebra]

Yes because Ms. Marvel is in it too. That's why they have that "S" in the logo.

Dope. Ms. Marvel >> Cpt. Marvel.

Hope Photon is in it, too.

Marvel is a dying star.

I'm not even that big a Marvel fan, but, what? Lol.

 

[DeepBreath87]

Dope. Ms. Marvel >> Cpt. Marvel.

Hope Photon is in it, too.



I'm not even that big a Marvel fan, but, what? Lol.

A dying star is still very big and very bright. It takes a long time for it to fade. But the peak of Marvel is behind us now.

 

[QuantumZebra]

A dying star is still very big and very bright. It takes a long time for it to fade. But the peak of Marvel is behind us now.

Could be, that's pretty open-ended, but could be.

 

[DeepBreath87]

Could be, that's pretty open-ended, but could be.

I just don’t think it’s the cultural phenomenon it was prior to Avengers wrapping up. And I don’t think that gets better. Marvel will still have a lot of fans, but I don’t think it’s going to be making any new ones. I think Marvel is bleeding right now, but it’s so huge that it can bleed for a long time before it appears unhealthy.

 

[QuantumZebra]

I just don’t think it’s the cultural phenomenon it was prior to Avengers wrapping up. And I don’t think that gets better. Marvel will still have a lot of fans, but I don’t think it’s going to be making any new ones. I think Marvel is bleeding right now, but it’s so huge that it can bleed for a long time before it appears unhealthy.

Fair enough.

I think they really snagged a ton of people who weren't into Marvel before with Wandavision, though. I heard more buzz about that than anything since Endgame (and Endgame was the first time I heard people in my office talking out loud about Marvel films as a norm).

If they can create a young audience and keep their core they will only grow.

 

[Krappadizzle]

Not a bad little sizzle reel.

 

[sol_bad]

I just don’t think it’s the cultural phenomenon it was prior to Avengers wrapping up. And I don’t think that gets better. Marvel will still have a lot of fans, but I don’t think it’s going to be making any new ones. I think Marvel is bleeding right now, but it’s so huge that it can bleed for a long time before it appears unhealthy.

And then Black Widow makes a billion at the box office.
^_^

 

[Alter_Fridge]

I thought the 4 meant Phase 4

 

[DeepBreath87]

And then Black Widow makes a billion at the box office.
^_^

Maybe. Maybe not. Black Widow is, however, a vestige of the original Avengers. It’s been a long time since Marvel introduced a new character that really took off. Dr Strange maybe, but he’s not nearly as popular as the original core 3 of Cap, Iron Man, and Thor.

Spider-Man perhaps? We will see though. Spider-Man is almost damaged goods at this point. Captain Marvel is a loss. I’d say Black Panther would be a new foundational character, but obviously I don’t think that can be the case now.

Thor has been recast. Cap is recast. Iron Man as well. It’s an open question if audiences will accept these new actors in roles that were perfectly cast originally. I think people will struggle. The original actors just fit those roles to a T and have become synonymous with the characters themselves. I’m sure some might accuse me of not giving the new characters a chance. But if they decided to make a sequel to Blade with Anthony Hopkins instead of Wesley Snipes as the lead, I think people would be right to wonder how audiences would receive that.

 

[sol_bad]

Maybe. Maybe not. Black Widow is, however, a vestige of the original Avengers. It’s been a long time since Marvel introduced a new character that really took off. Dr Strange maybe, but he’s not nearly as popular as the original core 3 of Cap, Iron Man, and Thor.

Spider-Man perhaps? We will see though. Spider-Man is almost damaged goods at this point. Captain Marvel is a loss. I’d say Black Panther would be a new foundational character, but obviously I don’t think that can be the case now.

Thor has been recast. Cap is recast. Iron Man as well. It’s an open question if audiences will accept these new actors in roles that were perfectly cast originally. I think people will struggle. The original actors just fit those roles to a T and have become synonymous with the characters themselves. I’m sure some might accuse me of not giving the new characters a chance. But if they decided to make a sequel to Blade with Anthony Hopkins instead of Wesley Snipes as the lead, I think people would be right to wonder how audiences would receive that.

Captain Marvel is a loss when it made 1.2 billion? On IMDB it's rated 6.9 out of 10 after 450,000+ reviews and 3.1 on Letterboxd after 300,000+ reviews, I won't bother with Metacritic or Rottentomatoes as those platforms are where the culture war hits. Black Panther also made over a billion dollars and has similar but slightly higher reviews on the same platforms, it doesn't matter if Chadwick passed away because everything the character stood for will still resonate with audiences.
WandaVision was the most popular show in January and February, Falco and the Winter Soldier was also near the top of the charts during it's run.

You may be over the MCU but don't mistake those feelings for everyone on the planet. The MCU is very much going to be very popular moving forward, the 2 year hiatus is making people even more keen. The people hating on the MCU are in the minority, the lovers are the majority. Just look at this videos like/dislike ratio.