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GeoNeo

I disagree.
Dartastic said:
Okay. X-Factor is kinda bullshit. I was just beasting on someone (literally, with Ammy) who will not be named on this forum, and he threw out an x-factor and storm with 4 meters. Chipped Sentinel to like, 1/6th health from full. Really hurt Ammy too. Fuck that.

Sent can just hard drive Storm if she does her hail storm raw, since it has a ton of invulnerability. So, Hard drive hail storm chip attempts which gets you in and allows you to apply big time pressure on Storm. And, he can also spit (H) to counter her start up.
 

BiggNife

Member
zlatko said:
Shuma's hypers are a joke. They do no damage. I'm guessing his level 3 is also one of the weaker ones since they used Arthur to get the KO screen to happen.

I'll eat crow if need be, but his trailer makes him look ass in terms of damage and combo potential. I'm sure someone will find something awesome about him, but I really hope that's not how much his level 1's do...that's just god damn sad.
If the data in the BradyGames guide is the same as the final version of Shuma (which I'll assume it is), then his hypers don't seem so bad.

Hyper Mystic Smash does 298,000 damage, and Hyper Mystic Ray does 279,700. To compare, here are the damage outputs of some other level 1 Hyper Combos:

Ryu's Shinku Hadoken: 261,700
Taskmaster's Legion Arrow: 296,600
Iron Man's Proton Cannon: 276,800
Deadpool's Happy Happy Trigger: 238,400
Hulk's Gamma Wave: 327,400
Hsien-Ko's Tenrai-Ha: 273,500
Sentinel's Hyper Sentinel Force: 306,000

So as you can see, the damage outputs for those two hypers are more or less average. On the other hand, Chaos Dimension only does 350,000, which is pretty low for a level 3 hyper combo, but it's also unblockable and puts the opponent into a knockdown state.
 

GeoNeo

I disagree.
zlatko said:
Well god damn. I'll def. mess around with Shuma then.

What's the guide say about Jill ?

She seems really good too. She also has a fucking inf. :lol:

In corner:

Tiger Knee motion +H, Tiger Knee motion +H, Tiger Knee motion +H...100% (The H must be pressed on the exact frame Jill leaves the ground for the jump, or each knee will not combo.)

I'm guessing this inf might be removed though. But she seems to have other loops too.

http://shoryuken.com/f368/master-dl...ntine-thread-257021/index40.html#post10271209
 

BiggNife

Member
zlatko said:
Well god damn. I'll def. mess around with Shuma then.

What's the guide say about Jill ?
A few interesting things:

-Feral Crouch is a stance move, much like She-Hulk's Runner's Start, that lets her do a bunch of special attacks, including a teleport that can go left, right, up, up-left, or up-right. Any teleport can be canceled into specials and hypers. The guide seems to emphasize that this teleport is the most important part of her game, since it can lead to interesting mix-ups.

-Her Level 3 (Mad Beast) puts her into a permanent Feral Crouch State for ten seconds (so you can only teleport), and also lets you cancel special moves you normally can't.

-According to the guide, she has an infinite (yes, really) that can be done by going into feral crouch and then doing her light attack, cancel into feral crouch, light attack again, over and over. Honestly I think this has probably been taken out, since the guys at Brady were experimenting with the character before she was completed.
 

zlatko

Banned
BiggNife said:
A few interesting things:

-Feral Crouch is a stance move, much like She-Hulk's Runner's Start, that lets her do a bunch of special attacks, including a teleport that can go left, right, up, up-left, or up-right. Any teleport can be canceled into specials and hypers. The guide seems to emphasize that this teleport is the most important part of her game, since it can lead to interesting mix-ups.

-Her Level 3 (Mad Beast) puts her into a permanent Feral Crouch State for ten seconds (so you can only teleport), and also lets you cancel special moves you normally can't.

-According to the guide, she has an infinite (yes, really) that can be done by going into feral crouch and then doing her light attack, cancel into feral crouch, light attack again, over and over. Honestly I think this has probably been taken out, since the guys at Brady were experimenting with the character before she was completed.

How much health does she have? I would def. consider putting her in my team over Zero if she has 800K or more. I like to have my point character be someone who can mix up and build meter like Zero.
 

Solune

Member
Morro! said:
Also, this game's matchmaking is broken. It matched me against 'Fighter' rank players for 5 times in a row even though I have it set on 'Rank: same' and i'm a 6th lord...
Yah it's pretty broken, but once you hit 4th lord, you hardly fight anyone thats not 4th or higher. Competition is still laughable but there's some decent people. The lowest ranked person I played was 5th. I ranked up at about 170 wins-ish so I played 30 matches or so of just 4th and higher.
 

Dahbomb

Member
zlatko said:
How much health does she have? I would def. consider putting her in my team over Zero if she has 800K or more. I like to have my point character be someone who can mix up and build meter like Zero.
Her health is definitely going to be below average with the pattern of health distribution in this game. 800-900K is a reasonable bet.

I doubt she would have Phoenix level health at 440K.
 

Rlan

Member
I'm so bad at this game :(

Was fine at MvsC2, but having a huge amount of difficulty getting my head around the air combo system.
 

DryvBy

Member
Has anyone ran into the Spencer glitch? It's kind of annoying. I didn't want to read through pages of stuff to find out.
 

vg260

Member
Trying to do that Combat Specialist achievement. Never gonna get that rank myself. I just finished grinding all the arcade mode unlocks/achievements, and have just missions and this one left. How hard is it to find someone of that 1st rank?

Is the ranking system like SFIV where you can lose rank as well as gain so that there will always only be a handful of players? or is it just a matter or racking up a certain number of wins so that there will eventually be a ton of them given enough time?
 
Alright, I went in training mode and it looks like you're right. She's pretty much gone from full screen. Super jumping isn't reliable enough, though it's possible to completely dodge the attack. The problem is unless you time it perfectly, you won't jump high enough to dodge, though if you can manage that, just gong once. But if she follows up with another immediately, you'll have to eat the chip. You can't jump back up fast enough.
It's an unfortunate situation.

Until you Hyper charging star her fireball on reaction?
That is not a "random" hyper. That is you punishing a Phoenix player dumb enough to throw fireballs on the ground in front of a Captain America with meter.

Also xfactor felicia is the best character in the game...*xfactor only* I just gotta get used to controlling her in lag now LOL
I was playing a friend who blew level 3 X-Factor on her, got me into a corner, and just slowly chipped out two of my characters with Cat Spike L spam. Ow. I'm not sure if you can get out of that, but she was on me so fast I was honestly too scared to do anything but cower in the corner and eat the chip.

I'm not prudish enough to demand that people act like anything other than themselves, but I will judge them accordingly.
I like this.

If Dorm had a nice projectile assist, I'd feel a lot more comfortable approaching him with shulk/tron.
I wish Dormammu had a good assist of any kind. He should have been given a meter-building assist with Morrigan and Amaterasu.

Tron can eat sent for free.... so can dorm, she hulk has to work a bit to get in but ya.... btw you DONT want to use assist vs sent for the most part -.-
I still need to work on my laser snuffing to make Sentinel free with my Dormammu. I keep wanting to Chaotic Flame on reaction to the lasers, which sends a Hyper Sentinel Force my way on reaction, and it's just not a happy situation. And yeah, calling assists against Sentinel are like the #1 way I turn a won match into a lost one.

Any advice on double jumping while performing a combo? Every time I do my second jump in my air combo, my immediate m or h always whiffs and they fall back to the ground. I watch Chun players do it all the time so well, lol. Viper is a beast though.
Delay your superjump after the launcher.

If you're going to use XF defensively, use it to guard cancel into an invincible hyper.

Best way to counter somebody else's XF3 imo. Wastes their precious XF time and prevents them from even healing until your attack stops.
Hidden Missiles and doing this with Doom's Time are the only reasons I still use him right now.

SHUMA LOOKS AMAZING GOD YES
I can't believe we STILL haven't seen his normal Mystic Ray. It's the only thing I want to know about him. Leakers won't show it. Capcom won't show it. Must I wait another entire week?!

Hey, I'm having a lot of trouble with connecting to friends who send me invites, is this just me? At first I thought it was just one guy, but both Prototype and another friend on my list sent me invites tonight and I got 'failed to find game session' for both. Tried connecting a few times to the latter actually, it wouldn't click. :/
I generally find this is due to a room being full.

Shuma's hypers are a joke. They do no damage. I'm guessing his level 3 is also one of the weaker ones since they used Arthur to get the KO screen to happen.

I'll eat crow if need be, but his trailer makes him look ass in terms of damage and combo potential. I'm sure someone will find something awesome about him, but I really hope that's not how much his level 1's do...that's just god damn sad.
Did we watch the same trailer? His level 1s both do a little under 300K (I think 280K?), which is on par with most of the cast. His level 3 does 400K, assuming the initial bite hits, and you can combo into it.

I thought his combos looked pretty stellar. Linking two Mystic Smashes in one combo? Yum! He has a ton of unique attributes, but rather than list them here, I'll say that the guide lists them all, and if Capcom didn't change him after that was written, he's going to be a contender.

Ok imagine captain commandos beam super, now imagine it going from the ground otging and going straight up into the air, and shooting full screen. This is now an assist.
But it doesn't carry the opponent, does it? This is why I have been dying to see Mystic Ray H. I need to know whether it blasts through the opponent, and is thus just good for covering the screen for a moment as a shield, or whether I should be thinking about how to combo from the top of the screen. Air Mystic Smash gives a 7-10 frame advantage on block according to the guide. I don't think any other move in the game can boast that, but I haven't read all of the characters yet.

Okay. X-Factor is kinda bullshit. I was just beasting on someone (literally, with Ammy) who will not be named on this forum, and he threw out an x-factor and storm with 4 meters. Chipped Sentinel to like, 1/6th health from full. Really hurt Ammy too. Fuck that.
Why not Hard Drive into Storm? I'm not disagreeing with you.

What's the best way to counteract X-23's unblockable Lv. 3? Also, what's the best way to use it?
Take to the skies or get her in a combo.

One thing I wonder though if you can do level 3 and if you tag him out will the timer stop? If so that would be boss as fuck, and it would be inline with other supers that have timers in this game. :lol:
X-23 loses hers. We'll see. Aerial Exchange into Chaos Dimension would be yum.

Oh hey, I just noticed the unions are outside protesting again...
 

hitsugi

Member
as much as viper is a meter hog.. she seems to be a self-sustaining one if you choose your combo options wisely.

not to sound like Q but she definitely has the potential to be top if put in the right hands.

...for a long time.
 

Neki

Member
Mahvel on the second page? BACK TO THE FIRST PAGE WE GO!

and yes, C.Viper is a huge meter hog especially when you ex cancel. I don't know why it takes one bar to do a ex seismic hammer. :(
 

Wolfwood0

Neo Member
Dartastic said:
Okay. X-Factor is kinda bullshit. I was just beasting on someone (literally, with Ammy) who will not be named on this forum, and he threw out an x-factor and storm with 4 meters. Chipped Sentinel to like, 1/6th health from full. Really hurt Ammy too. Fuck that.

Hard Drive.
 
Adopted Wolvie/Akuma/Skrull -- I occasionally swap out Skrull for Bangbangbangpool for semi zoning purposes. I don't know guys, this games is turning out to be an emotional rollercoaster ride. I've never been so frustrated/Happy this much in my life. Ever.

Also, came across a couple of pros playing lower level unranked matches. Seriously, smooth/error-free execution of some really long-stringed/complex combos. I got my arse destroyed a few times. But yeah, not sure how I feel about this game.
 
C.Viper is flat out the best character, I don't care what anybody says. I thought that before the game was out, and it's only cemented in my head. In fact, I'm dropping Captain America for her since she can do everything he can do, significantly better, and doesn't have nearly as much trouble without an assist. Her Emergency Combo is too fucking good. 36 frames of invincibility? It beats more projectiles than Hyper Charging Star. Plus you can desperation auto-kill any character for bad hypers with lvl 3 focus. On top of all that, she still has more health than Trish.

Karsticles said:
I wish Dormammu had a good assist of any kind. He should have been given a meter-building assist with Morrigan and Amaterasu.

Dormammu's Dark hole is a really solid lock down assist. It's rare to find assists that stay out as long as Dark Hole does.
 

Neki

Member
as long as C.Viper doesn't become the new freenix, I'll be happy. she's too technically challenging for most people (lol SSFIV) including me, so it'll be good times around. :D
 
Adopted Wolvie/Akuma/Skrull -- I occasionally swap out Skrull for Bangbangbangpool for semi zoning purposes. I don't know guys, this games is turning out to be an emotional rollercoaster ride. I've never been so frustrated/Happy this much in my life. Ever.

Also, came across a couple of pros playing lower level unranked matches. Seriously, smooth/error-free execution of some really long-stringed/complex combos. I got my arse destroyed a few times. But yeah, not sure how I feel about this game.
Sounds like good stuff.

Dormammu's Dark hole is a really solid lock down assist. It's rare to find assists that stay out as long as Dark Hole does.
No doubt about that, but it also comes out slow, so its usefulness is limited. Maybe I will feel better about it when I can use it with Shuma-Gorath.

C.Viper is flat out the best character, I don't care what anybody says. I thought that before the game was out, and it's only cemented in my head. In fact, I'm dropping Captain America for her since she can do everything he can do, significantly better, and doesn't have nearly as much trouble without an assist. Her Emergency Combo is too fucking good. 36 frames of invincibility? It beats more projectiles than Hyper Charging Star. Plus you can desperation auto-kill any character for bad hypers with lvl 3 focus. On top of all that, she still has more health than Trish.
Yeah, when I saw all those cancels in her reveal trailer I thought "how the heck is that balanced?" I'll wait we see more higher level competitive play, though. I don't like to judge a character so easily.

At least against low-level players it's like free damage once he drops the dark hole and I teleport behind with wesker
You can probably relaunch by calling Dark Hole right before Wesker's Samurai Edge OTG. I do that with Sentinel.
 
God's Beard said:
Dormammu's Dark hole is a really solid lock down assist. It's rare to find assists that stay out as long as Dark Hole does.
At least against low-level players it's like free damage once he drops the dark hole and I teleport behind with wesker
 
God's Beard said:
C.Viper is flat out the best character, I don't care what anybody says. I thought that before the game was out, and it's only cemented in my head. In fact, I'm dropping Captain America for her since she can do everything he can do, significantly better, and doesn't have nearly as much trouble without an assist. Her Emergency Combo is too fucking good. 36 frames of invincibility? It beats more projectiles than Hyper Charging Star. Plus you can desperation auto-kill any character for bad hypers with lvl 3 focus. On top of all that, she still has more health than Trish.

Wow, as a Cap fan I guess I'm going to have to look into her. I'm not a combo fiend so her rep as a high skill required character kept me away. Cap has a hard time getting in though, and CViper has better ways of solving that.
 

BiggNife

Member
zlatko said:
How much health does she have? I would def. consider putting her in my team over Zero if she has 800K or more. I like to have my point character be someone who can mix up and build meter like Zero.
Sorry I missed this last night, but it's 850,000. So yeah, pretty low.

Shuma's is 950,000 btw.
 
_dementia said:
At least against low-level players it's like free damage once he drops the dark hole and I teleport behind with wesker

I actually like the pillar more. The dark hole is in an awkward distance where it's not far enough to be a good zoning tool but it's not close enough to keep players out.
 

Ferrio

Banned
Prototype-03 said:
I actually like the pillar more. The dark hole is in an awkward distance where it's not far enough to be a good zoning tool but it's not close enough to keep players out.

I already got Tron for that. *trollface*
 
Karsticles said:
No doubt about that, but it also comes out slow, so its usefulness is limited. Maybe I will feel better about it when I can use it with Shuma-Gorath.

Dark Hole compliments Shuma's Mystic Ray assist, but I don't think it'll be much help for shuma himself unless you've already found another way inside. You could use it to cover zoning I guess, but there's far better assists for that. Theoretically you could press it right before chaos dimension so that they have to block the first hit then get locked into Dark Hole's guard stun for a free 350K, but I don't know that it's an easy setup to get in position.

Karsticles said:
Yeah, when I saw all those cancels in her reveal trailer I thought "how the heck is that balanced?" I'll wait we see more higher level competitive play, though. I don't like to judge a character so easily.

Execution is the only thing balancing C.Viper right now. Canceling her thunder knuckles on hit is a 1-2 frame link that can't be plinked or double tapped, and the follow up is tight timing. She also requires a lot of instant box dashes and chained 3-frame jump cancels to be most effective, and her offensive mixup demands abusing feint cancels to stay ambiguous. If you can't do all of that, her damage is significantly lower compared to other rushdown characters.

Karsticles said:
You can probably relaunch by calling Dark Hole right before Wesker's Samurai Edge OTG. I do that with Sentinel.

The problem with Wesker is that his moves' hitstun is so high that you really have to test each assist for his BnBs, or you won't be able to combo after the OTG. Shield Slash works in some combos where Trish's Peekaboo won't, for instance.
 
After spending a good amount of time in training mode, I was had a good night last night in player matches and ranked. Could have just been a fluke, but getting some solid wins under my belt was what I needed to boost my morale a bit.

I'm still stickin' to Dormy. When you're able to lay out your moves perfectly, it feels great.
 

Uzumaki Goku

Junior Member
Sounds like Patricia Ja Lee is not back as Jill in this game, real shame, would've been kinda fun to hear her alongside JYB (another former Power Ranger)
 

Dartastic

Member
Dahbomb said:
Use your own X Factor to negate the chip damage.
GeoNeo said:
Sent can just hard drive Storm if she does her hail storm raw, since it has a ton of invulnerability. So, Hard drive hail storm chip attempts which gets you in and allows you to apply big time pressure on Storm. And, he can also spit (H) to counter her start up.
I know, and I know. I was just playing stupid to be honest (was trying to save x-factor for phoenix; I should have used it to negate chip), but the fact that her chip does that much damage is literally insane, and it's only because of x-factor. Ugh.
 
Dartastic said:
I know, and I know. I was just playing stupid to be honest (was trying to save x-factor for phoenix; I should have used it to negate chip), but the fact that her chip does that much damage is literally insane, and it's only because of x-factor. Ugh.

Actually Storm's hail does one of the highest chip damages in the game.

edit: You have also not been cornered with Felicia's level 3 XF.
 
Guys. I have a big problem. I don't know of any good teams or assists.

My characters are:

Spidey
Deadpool
SheHulk
Hulk
Viewtiful Joe
Ryu

Of all of these, She hulk is a MUST. I love her play style and I've learned some cool combos including the buttflop re-launch.

My question is who are some good complimentary characters to her, and what are some good assists? I don't have the strat guide....(please no sentinel!)
 
Foxy Fox 39 said:
Guys. I have a big problem. I don't know of any good teams or assists.

My characters are:

Spidey
Deadpool
SheHulk
Hulk
Viewtiful Joe
Ryu

Of all of these, She hulk is a MUST. I love her play style and I've learned some cool combos including the buttflop re-launch.

My question is who are some good complimentary characters to her, and what are some good assists? I don't have the strat guide....(please no sentinel!)

Out of that team, Joe/Deadpool/SheHulk makes the most sense to me.
 

Solune

Member
Foxy Fox 39 said:
Guys. I have a big problem. I don't know of any good teams or assists.

My characters are:

Spidey
Deadpool
SheHulk
Hulk
Viewtiful Joe
Ryu

Of all of these, She hulk is a MUST. I love her play style and I've learned some cool combos including the buttflop re-launch.

My question is who are some good complimentary characters to her, and what are some good assists? I don't have the strat guide....(please no sentinel!)

I would say Spidey, Deadpool, Hulk and have either Spidey or Deadpool on point. But it also depends what type of assists you want.

Edit: She-Hulk not Hulk, and probably have Spidey as Webswing after the OTG.
 
Dark Hole compliments Shuma's Mystic Ray assist, but I don't think it'll be much help for shuma himself unless you've already found another way inside. You could use it to cover zoning I guess, but there's far better assists for that. Theoretically you could press it right before chaos dimension so that they have to block the first hit then get locked into Dark Hole's guard stun for a free 350K, but I don't know that it's an easy setup to get in position.
We'll see. I mostly intend to use it to extend blockstun and cover gaps when I am pushblocked.

The problem with Wesker is that his moves' hitstun is so high that you really have to test each assist for his BnBs, or you won't be able to combo after the OTG. Shield Slash works in some combos where Trish's Peekaboo won't, for instance.
I dig.

Does Hsien-Ko's gold assist take damage during x-factor?
Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but why wouldn't it? X-Factor only negates chip damage.

Apologies if this was posted already, but Ammy seems to have a pretty easy looking infinite on Zero. Dunno if it works on the rest of the cast yet.
Capcom is so sloppy. They seriously gave Amaterasu a combo that generates no hitstun degeneration, and a move she can cancel it into that gives her frame advantage, and couldn't put two and two together?
 

DarkoMaledictus

Tier Whore
Lucky Number Seven Force said:
Apologies if this was posted already, but Ammy seems to have a pretty easy looking infinite on Zero. Dunno if it works on the rest of the cast yet.

That's retarded... mashers and newbs new strategy its official... I hate this game has such easy execution. Was training yesterday and frankly I have almost no need to go into training to practice my combos anymore.

In less than a few months there isn't going to be much new tech.. heck its not like you can go over a 100% combo ;p. Ah the the good ole days of hard execution and rare combos because they were freaking too hard...
 
DarkoMaledictus said:
That's retarded... mashers and newbs new strategy its official... I hate this game has such easy execution. Was training yesterday and frankly I have almost no need to go into training to practice my combos anymore.

In less than a few months there isn't going to be much new tech.. heck its not like you can go over a 100% combo ;p. Ah the the good ole days of hard execution and rare combos because they were freaking too hard...
I didn't know Sanford had a GAF account.
 

DarkoMaledictus

Tier Whore
_dementia said:
I didn't know Sanford had a GAF account.

Apparently he does ;p. Funny thing is Sanford isn't absolutely wrong. His wording and approach are a bit off, but its true that this game wont have much space to evolve after a few months...
 
Karsticles said:
Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but why wouldn't it? X-Factor only negates chip damage.
I was just curious because she still had full red health when she gets hit as an assist, so I was wondering if it counted as chip.
 
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