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[Tschumi]

Wtf does tlou2 have to do with The Matrix? No one has issues with lesbian couples. They had issues with Abby who is not lgbtq. Everybody who has seen Matrix and enjoyed the trilogy most likely knows about the Wachowski's and will expect trans-human themes.

Come to think it it you're probably right, it was more butch blondie sticking her face in their story, well i hope no butch blondie ticks anyone off when she outfights neo or whatever

 

[SJRB]

Man, Last of Us 2 really fucked some of you up, didn't it?

 

[Spaceman292]

Man, Last of Us 2 really fucked some of you up, didn't it?

Especially since the people who hate it most didn't actually play it

 

[Insane Metal]

I expect literally nothing. The sisters have made nothing good after the matrix IMO.

 

[Ulysses 31]

I expect literally nothing. The sisters have made nothing good after the matrix IMO.

You didn't like the sequels much either?

Reloaded seemed to be building up to some mind blowing with "what is the true reality" or multi matrix versions but Revolutions took such a safe route.

But yeah, Reloaded and Revolutions prevent me from getting hyped either so far.

 

[ShadowNate]

Too early to make anything of it. First movie was and still is awesome. Second movie was eh and Revolutions was crap on crap with some crap on the side.

From the glimpses this looks like a fan service with many callbacks to the first movie.

Hopefully the movie brings something new and reverses the damage done by the previous sequels.

 

[AJUMP23]

The Blue Pill/Red Pill Gimmick is pretty good.

 

[GaijinZero]

ahhhhh fuck, there I was thinking it had just dropped. Fuck international dates and timezones. See you in 24 hours...

 

[EverydayBeast]

I thought everyone agrees prisoner of azkaban is the best Harry Potter movie tho

If Matrix 4 is the Prisoner of Azkaban of the Matrix series the movie will be a must-see.

 

[ResurrectedContrarian]

Let's face it... the Wachowski brothers ("sisters" lol) are hacks, and always have been. Re-watching the old Matrix movies a few years ago (well, I didn't finish the 3rd one) and then seeing bits of their newer trash like Sense8 quickly disabused me of any illusions regarding their talent.

Pretty much everything they've put on film comes down to a hyper-gnostic fantasy of leaving your real body to find some superhero-like transcendent entity inside yourself, which may be part of a larger battle for freedom etc against heavy-handed tyrannical foes. It only landed successfully once, with the original Matrix, because the film happened to hit at the right moment to capture the zeitgeist of excitement over virtual technologies, hacker-chic characters, etc (I remember seeing it in the theater the first time and just falling for the aesthetic above all, a real product of its time). But even that first film absolutely does not hold up decades later, I'm afraid.

The elephant in the room no one wants to point out is just how this fetishistic image of leaving your real body is part of the brothers' masochistic / dominatrix-obsessed personal life and its predictable fall into self-mutilations. If you want to read a surprisingly candid and direct telling of that trajectory, written in Rolling Stone of all places before such topics were censored and blackholed, check out this archived link:

archive.md

 

[DKehoe]

Let's face it... the Wachowski brothers ("sisters" lol) are hacks, and always have been. Re-watching the old Matrix movies a few years ago (well, I didn't finish the 3rd one) and then seeing bits of their newer trash like Sense8 quickly disabused me of any illusions regarding their talent.

Pretty much everything they've put on film comes down to a hyper-gnostic fantasy of leaving your real body to find some superhero-like transcendent entity inside yourself, which may be part of a larger battle for freedom etc against heavy-handed tyrannical foes. It only landed successfully once, with the original Matrix, because the film happened to hit at the right moment to capture the zeitgeist of excitement over virtual technologies, hacker-chic characters, etc (I remember seeing it in the theater the first time and just falling for the aesthetic above all, a real product of its time). But even that first film absolutely does not hold up decades later, I'm afraid.

The elephant in the room no one wants to point out is just how this fetishistic image of leaving your real body is part of the brothers' masochistic / dominatrix-obsessed personal life and its predictable fall into self-mutilations. If you want to read a surprisingly candid and direct telling of that trajectory, written in Rolling Stone of all places before such topics were censored and blackholed, check out this archived link:

archive.md

You can not like their work, that's totally fair. But I don't see how they are hacks. For good or bad they do seem to care about what they make. They aren't just churning out cookie-cutter films for a paycheque.

 

[Ulysses 31]

But even that first film absolutely does not hold up decades later, I'm afraid.

What doesn't absolutely hold up in your opinion?

I think Bound (1996) showed they had talent at the time.

 

[Fake]

My expectation are already low and people still bring TLOUS2 to a movie thread. Nice.

 

[jdforge]

Let's face it... the Wachowski brothers ("sisters" lol) are hacks, and always have been. Re-watching the old Matrix movies a few years ago (well, I didn't finish the 3rd one) and then seeing bits of their newer trash like Sense8 quickly disabused me of any illusions regarding their talent.

Pretty much everything they've put on film comes down to a hyper-gnostic fantasy of leaving your real body to find some superhero-like transcendent entity inside yourself, which may be part of a larger battle for freedom etc against heavy-handed tyrannical foes. It only landed successfully once, with the original Matrix, because the film happened to hit at the right moment to capture the zeitgeist of excitement over virtual technologies, hacker-chic characters, etc (I remember seeing it in the theater the first time and just falling for the aesthetic above all, a real product of its time). But even that first film absolutely does not hold up decades later, I'm afraid.

The elephant in the room no one wants to point out is just how this fetishistic image of leaving your real body is part of the brothers' masochistic / dominatrix-obsessed personal life and its predictable fall into self-mutilations. If you want to read a surprisingly candid and direct telling of that trajectory, written in Rolling Stone of all places before such topics were censored and blackholed, check out this archived link:

archive.md

Amazing read. Thank you for posting that.

 

[strange headache]

F*ck me, that really happened!

Lilly Wachowski rounds on Ivanka Trump and Elon Musk over Matrix tweets

The director was infuriated by social media banter in which Musk and Trump tweeted about ‘the red pill’

www.theguardian.com

Can't tell what's real and what is a joke anymore.

 

[Cockles & Whelks]

 

[Tokio Blues]

Honestly, im pretty hyped about this. The screens seems to bring back the old school cinematography and photography.

 

[MilkyJoe]

"the choice is yours"

Which pill is the non woke option?

 

[Lupingosei]

"the choice is yours"

Which pill is the non woke option?

The not watching any of this shit. The next John Wick will come out too around the same time.

 

[MilkyJoe]

The not watching any of this shit. The next John Wick will come out too around the same time.

I'm assuming he hands the torch to Halle Berrie in that one, or whatever her name is.

 

[clarky]

Lets face it everything they/them have made since the Matrix has been utterly bobbins. Although they get a pass from me because they made one of the greatest movies of all time. I can't be let down because I'm expecting a turd.

 

[Hulk_Smash]

Let's face it... the Wachowski brothers ("sisters" lol) are hacks, and always have been. Re-watching the old Matrix movies a few years ago (well, I didn't finish the 3rd one) and then seeing bits of their newer trash like Sense8 quickly disabused me of any illusions regarding their talent.

Pretty much everything they've put on film comes down to a hyper-gnostic fantasy of leaving your real body to find some superhero-like transcendent entity inside yourself, which may be part of a larger battle for freedom etc against heavy-handed tyrannical foes. It only landed successfully once, with the original Matrix, because the film happened to hit at the right moment to capture the zeitgeist of excitement over virtual technologies, hacker-chic characters, etc (I remember seeing it in the theater the first time and just falling for the aesthetic above all, a real product of its time). But even that first film absolutely does not hold up decades later, I'm afraid.

The elephant in the room no one wants to point out is just how this fetishistic image of leaving your real body is part of the brothers' masochistic / dominatrix-obsessed personal life and its predictable fall into self-mutilations. If you want to read a surprisingly candid and direct telling of that trajectory, written in Rolling Stone of all places before such topics were censored and blackholed, check out this archived link:

archive.md

And don’t forget that The Matrix did superheroes before the current superhero genre ever took flight.

I remember watching the first movie thinking shit if they can do this with action movies, imagine what they can do with the x-men movie coming out. In fact go back and watch the opening scene from X-men 2, the fire house scene from Spider-Man, or Daredevil’s audio vision and tell me it wasn’t influenced by the matrix.

But now? Yeah we’ve seen it all before with the boatload of superhero movies that have come out since then.

This new matrix will have to deliver some hella good story for me to give a shit about it. Good cgi and fight choreography isnt going to cut it.

And I seriously doubt the story is going to be any good. You are absolutely right about the fetishness of their stories. It really came out in reloaded and revolutions. Zion is a fucking 24 hr rave? I still don’t understand what the hell I was watching there. Then there was Mngojsvagina whatever his unpronounceable name was. Him and all his minions looked just like they stepped out of an s&m club just like that article describes.

 

[Lupingosei]

I'm assuming he hands the torch to Halle Berrie in that one, or whatever her name is.

No, not after Part 3.

Will be him against the table.

 

[Synless]

Let's face it... the Wachowski brothers ("sisters" lol) are hacks, and always have been. Re-watching the old Matrix movies a few years ago (well, I didn't finish the 3rd one) and then seeing bits of their newer trash like Sense8 quickly disabused me of any illusions regarding their talent.

Pretty much everything they've put on film comes down to a hyper-gnostic fantasy of leaving your real body to find some superhero-like transcendent entity inside yourself, which may be part of a larger battle for freedom etc against heavy-handed tyrannical foes. It only landed successfully once, with the original Matrix, because the film happened to hit at the right moment to capture the zeitgeist of excitement over virtual technologies, hacker-chic characters, etc (I remember seeing it in the theater the first time and just falling for the aesthetic above all, a real product of its time). But even that first film absolutely does not hold up decades later, I'm afraid.

The elephant in the room no one wants to point out is just how this fetishistic image of leaving your real body is part of the brothers' masochistic / dominatrix-obsessed personal life and its predictable fall into self-mutilations. If you want to read a surprisingly candid and direct telling of that trajectory, written in Rolling Stone of all places before such topics were censored and blackholed, check out this archived link:

archive.md

Speed Racer was nothing like what you just described and is the only other movie outside of the Matrix that was great. The rest of their output is trash.

 

[PSlayer]

My only concern is that the washowsky add a lot of performative wokeness as a response to the red pill being used at places like 4chan.

 

[Lanrutcon]

Lots of folks sleeping on Speed Racer. It was fucking nuts. Maybe not intended as a comedy, but me and my friends laughed our asses off. Highly recommended.

 

[SidViscous]

My only concern is that the washowsky add a lot of performative wokeness as a response to the red pill being used at places like 4chan.

The advertising is doubling down on the red/blue pill stuff so I don't think they'll try to retcon it.

 

[Ulysses 31]

Speed Racer was nothing like what you just described and is the only other movie outside of the Matrix that was great. The rest of their output is trash.

What about Bound (1996)?

I thought that was a good thriller...

 

[Victor Omega]

 

[ZehDon]

Lots of folks sleeping on Speed Racer. It was fucking nuts. Maybe not intended as a comedy, but me and my friends laughed our asses off. Highly recommended.

Speed Racer is legitimately visually one of the boldest movies I've ever seen. Wild stuff. And Cloud Atlas was a good movie and I'll die on that hill. It absolutely swung for the fences.

I'm in for this because, on the off chance its good, we get another fantastic Matrix movie. If it's bad, well, it can't possibly be as bad as Revolutions, so, I see no harm in getting excited. The odds of it reaching the original are basically zero, though.

 

[SirKicksalot]

I liked Jupiter Ascending. I'd rather have a bold trainwreck than a safe blockbuster.
Bonus points for being about the adrenochrome conspiracy and space Illuminati usurping the true rulers with the help of greys and reptilians.

 

[EruditeHobo]

You didn't like the sequels much either?

Reloaded seemed to be building up to some mind blowing with "what is the true reality" or multi matrix versions but Revolutions took such a safe route.

But yeah, Reloaded and Revolutions prevent me from getting hyped either so far.

Revolutions isn't great but Reloaded is completely worthy (if imperfect) in terms of dramatically expanding and deepening the mythology.

Speed Racer is great.
Cloud Atlas is great.

The Wachowskis know what the fuck they are doing. Doesn't mean it's impossible for them (or one of them) to slip up -- Jupiter Ascending is quite bad -- but Lana's track record there's no reason to suggest this won't be worth the watch.

 

[EruditeHobo]

I liked Jupiter Ascending. I'd rather have a bold trainwreck than a safe blockbuster.

I don't like Jupiter Ascending, but increasingly I agree... the more cookie cutter adaptations I see, the more Jungle Cruises and Harry Potter prequels and DCU movies I sit through, I feel like I'm being conditioned to crave something more weird or bold or interesting instead of the safe.

 

[Rockondevil]

Love all 3 movies and looking forward to this.
I can understand why some people only like the first as 2/3 are fairly different, but that’s how the story continued.

Will be a little sad because I really doubt Hugo Weaving will be in it.

Time will tell anyway. I’m sure some will like it and some won’t.

 

[Dirk Benedict]

I'm hyped. This is the last simultaneous release, as Warner BROS! Made an agreement with Theaters for 45 day exclusive release windows for 2022.
I really want this to be good, because I liked the first 2. The 3rd one was a hot fucking mess and I felt the ending was abrupt and full of shit.

 

[SpiceRacz]

Love all 3 movies and looking forward to this.
I can understand why some people only like the first as 2/3 are fairly different, but that’s how the story continued.

Will be a little sad because I really doubt Hugo Weaving will be in it.

Time will tell anyway. I’m sure some will like it and some won’t.

Sadly, he's not in it.

But here's this for you.

 

[Cleared_Hot]

I loved the first movie but have not liked a single thing they have done since (including the two sequels)..
my expectations are rock bottom.

Meh. I liked the sequels and the animatrix was dope af

 

[Cleared_Hot]

Gut feeling: This is another "Terminator"-type franchise who's time has passed.

Except we never got a James Cameron sequel , we got a bunch of bullshit instead with one he produced. Having the og writer director on board to write and direct is huge

 

[sol_bad]

I'm hyped. This is the last simultaneous release, as Warner BROS! Made an agreement with Theaters for 45 day exclusive release windows for 2022.
I really want this to be good, because I liked the first 2. The 3rd one was a hot fucking mess and I felt the ending was abrupt and full of shit.

What? This is coming out this year?

 

[Cleared_Hot]

I'm also on board with everyone praising speed racer. If only every anime adaptation had that same level of ambition plus attention to detail. Movie is a cult classic at this point

 

[Javthusiast]

What? This is coming out this year?

Yep december I believe.

 

[kittoo]

F*ck me, that really happened!

Lilly Wachowski rounds on Ivanka Trump and Elon Musk over Matrix tweets

The director was infuriated by social media banter in which Musk and Trump tweeted about ‘the red pill’

www.theguardian.com

Can't tell what's real and what is a joke anymore.

Why does (Lilly) care so much? Like are we at the place where we cant even appreciate, or at least ignore, people discussing/appreciating our own work if they are of another ideology? Why are these leftist cunts so bitter about everything?

 

[FunkMiller]

This'll no doubt fall on deaf ears, but can we keep all the boring fucking political talk out of this thread, and make it about ... you know... the actual movie?

Some folks on GAF have become so obsessed with dragging anything that looks even remotely 'woke' that it's becoming impossible to talk about anything else.

Yeah, the Wachowskis are woke. That's a given. Just don't watch the fucking movie, and don't whine about it so much.

 

[V1LÆM]

maybe it's time i should actually go and watch the originals? lol

i like cyberpunk stuff but i was always put off watching these movies cause when they came out you had weird people walking about with trenchcoats and trying to fight with people.

 

[SidViscous]

I'm also on board with everyone praising speed racer. If only every anime adaptation had that same level of ambition plus attention to detail. Movie is a cult classic at this point

They were working on a spirited away screenplay at one point too, shame Speed Racer wasn't more successful.

 

[Ulysses 31]

Revolutions isn't great but Reloaded is completely worthy (if imperfect) in terms of dramatically expanding and deepening the mythology.

I liked Reloaded overall but I thought it went to "strange" places. It's been over 10 years I gave it a full watch so perhaps I'd change my mind on a rewatch now.

The Wachowskis know what the fuck they are doing. Doesn't mean it's impossible for them (or one of them) to slip up -- Jupiter Ascending is quite bad -- but Lana's track record there's no reason to suggest this won't be worth the watch.

I've not written the movie off, I'm in the wait and see mode.

 

[kunonabi]

They were working on a spirited away screenplay at one point too, shame Speed Racer wasn't more successful.

Christ, we really dodged a bullet there.

 

[PleaseDontBanMe]

fuk Pacific time

east coast is the only coast that matters

 

[FunkMiller]

I liked Reloaded overall but I thought it went to "strange" places. It's been over 10 years I gave it a full watch so perhaps I'd change my mind on a rewatch now.

I watched it again about a year ago.

It’s an absolute mess. Poorly paced, badly plotted and more concerned with discussing pretentious ideologies than telling a decent story.

You can tell they wanted to make philosophical points more than they wanted to carry on a cohesive narrative, and boy does it show.

It feels less egregious these days because overall movie quality has dipped, but neither Reloaded nor Revolutions can be considered good… and neither even begin to come up to the quality of the first.

My biggest hope for 4 is that it makes up for the sequels shortcomings.