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Yeah, I agree with the OP and I am shocked more people don't call out Max Payne 3 on it's crap.
Yeah, I agree with the OP and I am shocked more people don't call out Max Payne 3 on it's crap.
So now you guys are saying that Rockstar should've made no progression from 2003 in regards to gameplay. You've officially lost it... You could even choose to play without using cover or shoulder aim if you wanted to. It would be harder, but still beatable.so what you're saying is its nothing like mp 1 and 2. ITT, everyones homework is to play mp 1 and 2.
Well, you didn't back up your argument at first, you just pretty much said "Max was bad in 1 & 2, he's great in 3 because, and you're wrong if you think otherwise.". What I did was the same just to see how you react.
These are the same people that loved GTA4 over the previous games so it's no surprise.
I replayed both MP 1&2 a week before Max Payne 3 got released so it would be fresh in my mind. The claims it played the same are false outside bullet-time. The originals had larger areas, lots of platforming sections (MP3 had none), enemies where not bullet sponges, it had multiple bosses, no 'turret' segments, back tracking to previous areas and it didn't need cutscenes every 5 minutes to advance the story.
There are no bullet sponges in Max Payne 3, learn to hit the head.I replayed both MP 1&2 a week before Max Payne 3 got released so it would be fresh in my mind. The claims it played the same are false outside bullet-time. The originals had larger areas, lots of platforming sections (MP3 had none), enemies where not bullet sponges, it had multiple bosses, no 'turret' segments, back tracking to previous areas and it didn't need cutscenes every 5 minutes to advance the story.
Don't forget viral marketers, too.These are the same people that loved GTA4 over the previous games so it's no surprise.
I don't think it is, infact i think the shooting is one of the best i've experienced in a 3rd person shooter.It's a game about shooting and the shooting is really clunky Rockstar crap.
so what you're saying is its nothing like mp 1 and 2. ITT, everyones homework is to play mp 1 and 2.
DerZuhälter;46087055 said:Max Payne 3 is for it's technical mumbo-jumbo a terrible step back in terms of gameplay, narrative and characterization from the Max Payne series.
People ripping the OP for "playing the game wrong" amuse me. What does that even mean? Since he finished the game right up to the last boss on hard he clearly isn't "bad".
Max in MP3 feels like a person that has actually felt pain and regret, alcoholics usually have self pity and often blame themselves for a lot of things. Max being in 40's and having nothing to show for it except a huge body count and drug addictions makes all his banter warranted and real.
Hell, the writers even acknowledged the pill popping aspect from previous games in a very smart way. Downing 2 bottles of painkillers after getting shot multiple times would probably make you an addict.
Max Payne in MP1 just had wisecracks and at times poetic thoughts, that's it. No motives or personality traits besides continuing forward and stumbling into something bigger than himself (a part of MP3 also). Eventually after all the stumbling, he kills the woman responsible for his pain.
Now unto Max in MP2. Besides very subtle hints of alcoholism, all Max focuses on is the case he's following and why past ghosts are coming back. Greatest part of his character was the love story between him and Mona Sax, besides that, Max still just has wisecracks (much less than last time) and poetic monologues at times (usually better than the ones in MP1).
From my perspective, you simply don't like Max Payne's character in MP3, that's different than his character being poorly written though.
DerZuhälter;46087055 said:Max Payne 3 is for it's technical mumbo-jumbo a terrible step back in terms of gameplay, narrative and characterization from the Max Payne series.
The pill popping aspect is bad because in previous games popping painkillers was a completely gamey aspect of them, it wasn't relevant to the plot. The fact that they make a gameplay mechanic a base for the character just smells of a parody.
So basically the equivalent of a "cool story bro".I didn't bother reading the OP because I knew it would be a waste of time.
Max Payne 3 is a fantastic game.
I'd argue Max had more character and humanity in Max Payne 3 than in 1 & 2 combined. His humility, insecurities, and the motivations for his anger and frustration all felt very real to me.
I agree with your other points as i don't like the writing in MP3, but this smells like bullshit to me.
I think it was a nice idea and parody (or self parody) has always been an element of Max Payne, breaking the 4th wall and all that jazz.
So basically the equivalent of a "cool story bro".
Max in MP3 is inconsistent compared to 1 & 2. The fact that he's an alcoholic doesn't make him a strong character, it even makes him weaker because of how stereotypical he is. His annoying comments about how he's an alcoholic and fucks up all the time, and that he doesn't ever shut the fuck up about it is just all around bad writing. The pill popping aspect is bad because in previous games popping painkillers was a completely gamey aspect of them, it wasn't relevant to the plot. The fact that they make a gameplay mechanic a base for the character just smells of a parody.
It's weird how you say Max didn't have any motives in MP1 and then you say how he kills the woman responsible for his pain. Isn't that motivation enough? You know, seeing your wife and child killed by some junkies sent by that woman? True he doesn't find out until later, but his motivation led to that. Wisecracks were part of the character who was a part of the setting. It fit, that's why it worked. Also it didn't interfere with gameplay.
In MP2 it was clear that Max accepted his fate. His love story with Mona server as character development for both of them. And it worked. The fact that they completely ditched that at writing Max in MP3 served as a big fuck you to the fans.
What was his motivation in MP3?
I think it's a bad Max Payne game, but not a bad game overall.It certainly is flawed, but by no means a bad game.
The gameplay sucks if you suck at playing the game I guess.
You make it sound like Max is sobbing in a corner the entire time. If seeing his family getting murdered in MP1 is enough to justify his shortcomings as a character, why wouldn't that event and everything else he's been through justify his self medicating with alcohol?
Max being more self aware and emotional in MP3 made me care much more about him as a character, protagonists in games are usually one dimensional in the emotional and thinking categories, playing as a middle aged alcoholic who knows he's down on his luck was refreshing as hell.
He had none until Passos threw him into a situation where he would be deemed to fail and take the blame for his shortcomings.
Max had nothing to live for before the job, when everything he stood to protect was wiped out he made it a priority to protect anyone he could. Even if it meant his death.
You took one sentence out of context which was that Max at the ending of MP2 was somewhat fixed, as in he accepted what happened to him and moved on. The fact that they made him an alcoholic piece of shit with no explanation was a big fuck you to the fans.
Funny you should say that Max was more emotional in MP3. Alcoholics are uncapable of conveying higher feelings and criticism. Max in MP1 was a wisecracker with gold heart, he was subtle about his emotions because it fit with the setting.
So basically, his motivations is that he is depressed alcoholic and doesn't give a shit about what happens to him, that makes him very likable.
Play the game long enough and you'll realize that bullet time and shoot dodging are still the most effective ways of clearing most areas.I think it's a bad Max Payne game, but not a bad game overall.
I would have liked to have seen a greater emphasis on bullet time and shoot dodging, rather than chest high cover and headshots. The Euphoria animation is also a detriment to the gameplay mechanics.
So I played Max Payne 3 when it came out and recently went back and done a marathon playing MP1,2 and 3.
Rockstar really did fuck up Max. He acts nothing like what he did in MP1 and 2. In Rockstars version he, like the OP pointed out, for some reason is some dumb crazy gringo, suicidal and an alcoholic. It makes no sense why Max would be like this other than to force him to go to Brazil for a "New Start".
Just look at the last scene of Max Payne 2.
He finally came to terms with his loss of his wife but at the start of MP3 Max is a wreck and can't get over that his wife is dead.
http://youtu.be/inRniIN_dio?t=55s
Really? How does that make any sense? They just ignore what happened in MP2?
I do have to say though I think the gameplay in MP3 is really good. It's what I'd expect a Max Payne game to play like in 2012 so I give Rockstar credit for that. It's just a shame that they clearly put emphasis on the cinematic side of the game and made the dumb decisions of not letting us skip cutscenes.
These are the same people that loved GTA4 over the previous games so it's no surprise.
Max Payne 3 was great.
What? Alcoholics can't convey feelings and criticisms? How did you learn that?
I'd argue Max had more character and humanity in Max Payne 3 than in 1 & 2 combined. His humility, insecurities, and the motivations for his anger and frustration all felt very real to me.
School.
This guy has it right. I want to see how you counter this argument.
Play this game exactly how the designers meant you to goddamnit, not make your own way and shorten down the boss to 5 seconds. Godawful level design coupled with the bad cover system and sluggish movement controls makes this one of the worst bosses in AAA games of this generation.
You went to a fucked up school then.
I found the gun play in alan wake more enjoyable than the 3 hours i played of max payne 3 (before uninstalling the game in disgust).
Why am I not surprised that you didn't provide any argument to prove that I'm wrong.
This guy has it right. I want to see how you counter this argument.
People change, people may swear to something or have deep feelings for another but over time that may change. Call it a cop out, but it's 100% true.