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May 7th | UK General Election 2015 OT - Please go vote!
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QuicheFontaine
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I'm hoping they have a 'sad trombone' sound effect cued up.
<raises hand>
I've got a bottle of scotch ready. Need to devise an appropriate drinking game.
Red Liquorice
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Mr. Luchador
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This guy on BBC24 could be Nick Clegg's younger more successful brother.
Yeah, I agree and I feel bad for thinking that way. It does seem that I lean more towards the Greens than I probably realise, so I have some thinking to do between Labour and Greens.
Yeah, I agree and I feel bad for thinking that way. It does seem that I lean more towards the Greens than I probably realise, so I have some thinking to do between Labour and Greens.
So no different to most nights?
Pretty much
I'll be drunkenly live commenting on it on here, so that will be fun.
Sir Gus o Donnel on the politics show, who wrote the rules in 2011 on what to do...
David Cameron as sitting prime minister has the constitutional right to put a queens speech whether it is obvious they can not get it past parliament or not.
It would be expected if it is glaringly obvious he can not win he would step down, but only if it is quite clear another government can be formed
David Cameron as sitting prime minister has the constitutional right to put a queens speech whether it is obvious they can not get it past parliament or not.
It would be expected if it is glaringly obvious he can not win he would step down, but only if it is quite clear another government can be formed
Another election probably. They'll be able to outspend Labour even more drastically then they normally do.
Why?
Jezbollah
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Zero chance of that. Both the Conservatives and Labour will vote for the renewal.
There might be discussions on the reduction from four to three submarines, but the renewal is a dead cert.
FlammableD
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I'm going to watch Charlie Brooker when I get home tomorrow, then ignore all coverage. Wake up on Friday morning, do a quick paper check to see how it's going, then head off to the HIGFY taping. It's not like we're going to have a government any time on Friday, so there's 0 point staying up all night.
Are we expecting any Portillo moments? As will be worth staying up for those
I'm not from the UK and I've been following the elections for the last couple of weeks, watching the leaders debate and reading this thread, I have to say it's been pretty interesting to see how different british politics are compared to my country, now I'm really curious to see the outcome in the next few days
we will know at 10:05 tomorrow night as the exit polls come in, well 95% confidence
Jezbollah
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The majority of the seats should be declared by around 10am the next day.
There were a few that had close counts and were not sorted until late next day/the day after.
Kotetsu534
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Excellent article by George Monbiot that makes a point I've been repeating for years (once convincing one of my university tutors to think about it): on the really big issues, the parties are broadly in agreement, and they've received no coverage at all. He identifies the following issues:
- The electoral system. FPTP will give a distorted and unfair result as usual (only distorted and unfair in a new way this time, as the SNP become greatly over-represented).
- Political funding hasn't been reformed.
- The Corporation of the City of London is an opaque, powerful and undemocratic body which has not been reformed for centuries.
- The poor pay more (as a ratio) of their incomes in tax than the rich, thanks largely to the regressive effects of VAT and Council Tax (as well as alcohol/tobacco/fuel duties). The media focusses relentlessly on Income Tax, by far the most progressive tax in our country, although it is responsible for less than 1/3rd of the tax take.
- All parties refuse to discuss land taxation, thereby promoting a rentier economy where those who own real estate in desirable areas are given a guaranteed return. This works against the promulgation of an entrepreneurial society that all parties claim to want and support.
- What he calls "klepto-remuneration"; the exponentionally increasing share of the country's wealth taken by the chief executives regardless of their performance.
- Limited liability has allowed, and will continue to allow, directors who were responsible for economic catastrophies (e.g. Mr Goodwin at RBS) that have inflicted great harm to many of our people, to walk away scot-free.
- The continued use of GDP as the be-all end-all measure of progress, despite that it is likely impossible to keep it growing given finite resources and, even if it is doable, most people won't see any benefit. To pursue it we must work relentlessly in meaningless jobs - "Who in politics is brave enough to propose that we work less and enjoy life more?"
- Mental health issues, widespread loneliness, etc. go unacknowledged.
- The continue loss of public space to private interests and the car. Children contained ever more within four walls, at home and at school.
- His "natural" issue: climate change, the widespread damage to our environment and biodiversity, "horrifying" soil loss, a push to use more fossil fuels while supposedly seeking to reduce emissions.
These issues, among others (he didn't mention TTIP or the global nexus of tax evasion centred on the City of London directly here), are essentially outwith the scope of our democracy.
- The electoral system. FPTP will give a distorted and unfair result as usual (only distorted and unfair in a new way this time, as the SNP become greatly over-represented).
- Political funding hasn't been reformed.
- The Corporation of the City of London is an opaque, powerful and undemocratic body which has not been reformed for centuries.
- The poor pay more (as a ratio) of their incomes in tax than the rich, thanks largely to the regressive effects of VAT and Council Tax (as well as alcohol/tobacco/fuel duties). The media focusses relentlessly on Income Tax, by far the most progressive tax in our country, although it is responsible for less than 1/3rd of the tax take.
- All parties refuse to discuss land taxation, thereby promoting a rentier economy where those who own real estate in desirable areas are given a guaranteed return. This works against the promulgation of an entrepreneurial society that all parties claim to want and support.
- What he calls "klepto-remuneration"; the exponentionally increasing share of the country's wealth taken by the chief executives regardless of their performance.
- Limited liability has allowed, and will continue to allow, directors who were responsible for economic catastrophies (e.g. Mr Goodwin at RBS) that have inflicted great harm to many of our people, to walk away scot-free.
- The continued use of GDP as the be-all end-all measure of progress, despite that it is likely impossible to keep it growing given finite resources and, even if it is doable, most people won't see any benefit. To pursue it we must work relentlessly in meaningless jobs - "Who in politics is brave enough to propose that we work less and enjoy life more?"
- Mental health issues, widespread loneliness, etc. go unacknowledged.
- The continue loss of public space to private interests and the car. Children contained ever more within four walls, at home and at school.
- His "natural" issue: climate change, the widespread damage to our environment and biodiversity, "horrifying" soil loss, a push to use more fossil fuels while supposedly seeking to reduce emissions.
These issues, among others (he didn't mention TTIP or the global nexus of tax evasion centred on the City of London directly here), are essentially outwith the scope of our democracy.
I don't think the Tories can command a confidence of government with an even weaker Lib dems. & pretty much everybody else wants them out.
The only thing I'm sure about is that the snp will run riot in Scotland.
For those who don't know, where might this be?
anonymous_abc
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How's South Thanet polling of late?
Fair enough. Just wondering if I should stay up to watch for result outcomes, or if we won't know till the following day.
There's a plus side to Dave clinging grimly onto power for five years without enough votes to pass any of his policies.
CyclopsRock
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I'm gonna stay up as long as possible. Turns out that now, instead of going out to Reflex, we're going to go out to Trader Vics in the basement of the Park Lane Hilton. Pricier, but also way more chill which is good. It only comes round once every 5 years, let's enjoy it!
How much do they charge for a pint there?
Anybody who hasn't been watching the Daily Politics during the election (after the fact on the iPlayer if necessary) has been seriously missing out. Today's interview with Gus O'Donnell took 10 minutes to perfectly clarify away all of the bullshit and rhetoric about 'legitimacy' and 'largest party gets the first shot' and all that other toss. It was brilliant.
It gives by far the best and most in-depth mainstream political coverage, Andrew Neil is far and away the best political interviewer, and it's not afraid to just revel in quite how ridiculous things sometimes get.
Classic BBC shoestring production budgets just add to the charm.
giant_frying_pan
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Most of these, if any, will happen in Scotland. Danny Alexander is up against it. Jim Murphy could be in trouble as could Charles Kennedy.
I'm from Italy and, well, as you might imagine here the political system works quite differently
It shouldn't be the case this time around, but in general it seemed much like people spend three months pointing out how terrible Berlusconi is then vote for him anyway?
CyclopsRock
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I honestly don't know if they sell pints. It's a Tiki-themed cocktail bar, and most of their cocktails are between £10 and £15 a pop. We always get the 4-person sharing bowls (they come in super cool bowls! Like, ceramic volancos and stuff) which are about £30-£35.
London.
Christ. You still get a pint for £2.50 up 'ere near the Wall.
killer_clank
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I heard Italy just passed a law to ensure the winning party automatically gets a majority. Politicians will be gagging for that here after this election.
I was in a bar in Shoreditch waiting to be served a while ago, and while I was waiting a guy bought his vodka and lemonade back to the bar and asked for lime to be added to it. I bet you don't see that up north.
I live close enough to London that drinks prices here aren't too far behind. Just coming up to £4 for a pint in many places. And it's not like anyone's that well off here.
Pretty steep. Hopefully they're decent cocktails, but that's generally the deal in those parts of West London. Got to cover that rent somehow. Assuming you'll be surrounded by mostly Tory supporters lol.
Where's your constituency? Chances are a vote for anyone but the incumbent is a wasted vote.
I was in a bar in Shoreditch in 2010, I think it was. Asked for a gin and tonic and it was £12. I thought, 'fuck, maybe like everywhere the tonic is supremely overpriced' so got a gin and lemonade instead. It was £9. And it was Gordon's. And fucking splash. Never again.
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