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Metal Gear Community Thread: Made you wait, didn't I?
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Love Deterrence
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Oh my...Snake,, I hate to bring this to you but you're infertile.
Should a thread be made on this lol?
Chakra_Khan
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Yes the very same. Incredible musicianship on those records. Eric Clapton is really into his music. You should give him a listen.
Also, ever since they first revealed ocelot I much preferred they kept his hair blonde at this point in the timeline.
tryagainlater
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Thank God they finally said something so you can all stop losing your mind trying to find the secret release date.
GreyOcelot
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you think that statement is going to stop people from looking? hahaha
Skullface
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Wow, have I at some point mentioned that I'm a huge Clapton fan? I probably did since we had that discussion about Beware of Mr.Baker. I've had the pleasure of seeing him 3 times live.
By the way, I definitely dug D'angelo in the 90's.
My response was satirical. "Metal Gear?! The same one I destroyed at Outer Heaven in the 90's? Impossible!" 
Also, my Xbox Live tag is "ecrockedboston", as in Eric Clapton. Fucking guy has turned me on to so many musicians. Robert Johnson, Muddy Waters, Bob Marley, Howlin' Wolf, John Mayall, Bonnie and Delanie, the Allman Brothers, just to name a few. I'll be sure to give D'angelo a re-listen soon.
Screaming Meat
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Shame he's a massive racist.
Kept ya waitin huh
Gotta separate the art from the artist.
Love Deterrence
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You've been expecting for quite some time... Yes, yes! I know you would like to know how long. I'm afraid it's been... nine months.
HAHAHAHA. Damn it, I can't stop thinking about this happening in the game now.
Screaming Meat
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Yeeeeeah... sometimes.
Eric Clapton said:
My Dad is an Egyptian immigrant in the UK, so I take that kind of personally. Then on top of that:
Eric Clapton said:
Read that again. That's right, the white guy who appropriated and made a name for himself predominantly playing music of a "black" origin, said that. Makes it very difficult for me to separate him from his music.
GreyOcelot
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ohhhhh, so THAT'S how clapton got banned from GAF
Screaming Meat
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tryagainlater
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lol, guess not
The beginning looked like porn.
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
Ha! Spot on.
Wow didn't realize he's that bad. Totally understand your position. Guess it really is a case by case basis. For someone like me who isn't from the UK it's a lot easier for me to ignore that but as someone who isn't white and whose mom is an immigrant that is disgusting. Luckily I'm not a huge Clapton fan and only like a couple of his songs lol.
This talk may stay away from the MGSV board.
Skullface
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Hope you realize that his comments were made in the 70's while he was under the influence of God knows how many drugs. He's expressed much regret for those comments since and hasn't been quoted saying anything like that since. In other words, be owned it and admit that not only his words were wrong, but his views were wrong too.
Screaming Meat
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Were that but true. That's not from what I've read. From 2004:
Good thing that came out of this? Rock Against Racism.
It's about ethics in games journalism, dammit!
Love Deterrence
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RACE and REVENGE
Venom Snake is Eric Clapton.
Venom Snake is Eric Clapton.
Screaming Meat
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Skullface
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For any given incident, you'll find many different sources on the individual's motivations etc. There's a video of him being interviewed on a French program in the 80's where he explains why he said what he said, and he says that he was essentially more xenophobic than anything, and that his words were exacerbated by intoxication, his own words. He was afraid of loss of tradition, whether it be by Egyptians or anyone else. It's always worse when it's white folk saying this kind of thing of course. He also went on to explain that he hopes to see a unified Europe at some point (before the Euro was established I'm guessing). He went on to explain that accepts the times and that now it's the Japanese that were buying up properties and that he's made peace with the whole situation. I don't buy that source from '04 after watching the interview I saw.
Good thing we're not in the MGSV board!
Sins of the father indeed
GB did talk about it a bit but I wouldn't call what GB did "coverage". All they did was shit on the game and said "Who plays this", "It's another dumb Metal Gear online mode that no one cares about." Those guys are so out of touch when it comes to Metal Gear in general. To them nobody enjoys Metal Gear's gameplay and MGS3 is garbage.
I've been pretty close many times writing them emails about Metal Gear lol.
Skullface
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Que?
Many humans are racists and that's mostly not even their fault. It is in the genes. Sure people can also be racist through bad raising by their parents or whatever, but there is a fact that humans are basically just animals.
Take a dog for example. There are dogs with genes they are no pets. And they should never be treated as pets, like for example lions. But other dogs might be. It is all in the genes.
How much you want deny it. I am pretty sure every person in the world is in any form a racist, nobody is perfect.
And you might never change the racism of these people.
You can only change one thing and that is you. You can stand above that or not. Depends if you are weak or strong. And from the look, just because your father is muslim, tells me that you can't stand above that. So not even you are perfect.
After all the human race is the worst thing on the planet.
Take a dog for example. There are dogs with genes they are no pets. And they should never be treated as pets, like for example lions. But other dogs might be. It is all in the genes.
How much you want deny it. I am pretty sure every person in the world is in any form a racist, nobody is perfect.
And you might never change the racism of these people.
You can only change one thing and that is you. You can stand above that or not. Depends if you are weak or strong. And from the look, just because your father is muslim, tells me that you can't stand above that. So not even you are perfect.
After all the human race is the worst thing on the planet.
People who like xbox are not a race, nor are racists. That just means you're prejudice against them.
That was just an example. Geez.
Of course it's not racism. I said sort of. It goes in the same direction. For example, I also can't stand people who are sitting felt like 24/7 and watching dumb soaps, which they think this is real and relate with the show. Those are points where I say: No, here I cross the line!
tryagainlater
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They have a whole feature dedicated to one of them playing through the series for the first time and Dan Ryckert loves Metal Gear even if he has no interest in the online mode. Let's not judge the entire site because Jeff hates everything.
In all honesty, how much can you really "cover" an online mode before you can even play a beta.
Skullface
Member
Depending on what he does with these feelings also, he may also be discriminatory. As an Xboner, I'm personally offended that he would insult my mother console this way.
the only thing that makes this conversation relevant is the Phantom Pain's theme of race <.< >.>
Chakra_Khan
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Damn. Sorry for bringin music talk into tbr forum guys. Didn't intend for things to take an argumentative turn. Let's bring it back to what's important:
snake's ass
What they've said about MGS3 is UNFORGIVABLE. Well no it isn't but still it just annoys me when they make sweeping comments about a series that most of them have very little experience with.
Skullface
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Le epic detail
jk
LOL. That post is more serious in tone then it should be.
Screaming Meat
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Fair enough, man.
From the sounds of what you described, he didn't exactly repent/take back what he said, it sounds more like a poor attempt at damage control. Those fears of his about "losing tradition" are the calling card of any dyed in the wool racist. His support of Enoch Powell and his fear-mongering, anti-immigration "Rivers of Blood" hate speech, also speaks volumes.
I'm not arguing. The discussion's been nothing but civil from what I can see. That's a damn rarity!
Personally, I think racism is learned behaviour. I don't think there is categorical proof one way or the other though.
No. Racists aren't a race.
Yeah, fair point. I shouldn't have brought it up.
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