It's not introduced then and there. It's the same blade mode you've been using the entire game. Every time you've done a Zandatsu it's the same damn mechanic.
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Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance |OT| A Blade Forged In Platinum [LAW OF THE WILD]
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It's not introduced then and there. It's the same blade mode you've been using the entire game. Every time you've done a Zandatsu it's the same damn mechanic.
Thank you, just what I was trying to say!
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Retro_
Unconfirmed Member
I just think it's lame how haphazardly people throw the phrase "bad design" around to describe anything they didn't like or understand about the game.
Instead of just learning and dealing with things
Lostconfused
Member
There are several instances when the game prompts you to use Blade Mode, but you don't actually have to use blade mode. It's entirely possible to use regular attacks achieve the desired effect, or it's possible to simply move out of the way.
AcceptableGhost
Member
Having to cut stuff properly in Metal Gear Rising is a QTE? What kind of absurd shit is this. That is like saying you are performing a QTE every time you correctly hit the box and Zandatsu in the game.
Edit: The final boss is great. It tests pretty much everything the game is about. It is the definition of a great last boss.
Edit: The final boss is great. It tests pretty much everything the game is about. It is the definition of a great last boss.
Professor Beef
Banned
I'm going to assume you've skipped every single boss fight and major encounter in the game, if you truly think this.
Thanks. Much easier to block, then if I get hit when he strikes twice I can recover in the air by pressing A (which I just realized). Got him to 32.4% so I seem to be doing much better.
Also realized that there's 4 healing items rather than 2.
CambriaRising
Member
I didn't have nano paste at that point, and there is no way to get it without leaving the fight and redoing the level.
How can you run under the junk?
If you are talking about Sundowner, you never even have to cut his shields to beat him.
ArchedThunder
Banned
How can you miss that? It is INCREDIBLY easy to hit! Also it isn't a rock.
You can ninja run away from them instead of blade mode cutting them. But if you blade mode cut them, they drop nanopaste.
So did you ignore the part where Boris said you can use blade mode to cut his shield?
Can't you just dodge the rocks and avoid having to cut them?. Never did try it though so i don't know if its possible. At least they reward you with nanopaste if you manage to do it, but getting killed if you fail to do it is really annoying.
Wonder if they can fix the camera, it does get crazy when fighting several enemies. Even with the final boss at times it was bad. But overall amazing game and amazing what platinum accomplished here with such a short dev cycle.
Just perform Ninja Run and start running before the game slows down. The game doesn't lock you into standing still (that's how it's also not a QTE).
CambriaRising
Member
It is badly designed, and I have articulated why.
Professor Beef
Banned
Actually, if you cut the stuff the final boss throws at you correctly, several nanopastes drop for you to pick up. That's a major incentive to cut the blocks instead of running to the side.
Don't you hit it with the parry then, destabilizing the molecules? I'm sure someone can find some way to prove this theory is BS, but your example seems consistant with the 'theory'.
R
Retro_
Unconfirmed Member
You get 4 nanopastes for completing the rock cutting section, an top of doing a chunk to the boss himself
So there's a big reward if you're able to cut through all 4 rocks. I think the risk reward is appropriately balanced.
You don't need to do any of the bosses zandatsu gimmicks to beat them. Including the last boss. I think that was his point.
No, all you've articulated really is that you didn't adequately learn one of the core functions of the game.
All your reasons are nonsense. "If I fall in a pit in a Mario game, no matter what I've done up to that point, I die. BAD DESIGN. Any time you have to press a button to do a thing is a QTE. They're totally shoving new rules into the game at the last moment and not just challenging me by testing my mastery of a mechanic that's been present throughout the entire game."
CambriaRising
Member
I see, thank you. In that case you are right, it is not a QTE.
No, It just didn't fit into my play style. It slowed the momentum of the fight for me, so I beat him traditionally by parrying his attacks and striking afterward.
Professor Beef
Banned
No, but that IS what the game assumes you're going to do. I understand people complaining about the final boss' difficulty or how long it takes to finally win. But claiming that he introduces a brand-new mechanic for the first time in that fight is a blatant lie that deserves to be called out.
Hot Coldman
Banned
That's a hell of a parry, then!
When I say BS, I mean it's all just dumb video game logic that I'm 100% OK with. At least this is finally a game where you can slice dudes in half, like a real sword. This is the best Star Wars game in years, like that.
AcceptableGhost
Member
Guys don't you know, lining up to cut red square boxes in Metal Gear Rising is a mechanic that is ONLY introduced in the final boss obviously. It is pretty much a QTE!
FlashbladeGAF
Member
Skipped learning blade mode the entire game and is now surprised/frustrated when Final boss challenges you to use it
priceless
ArchedThunder
Banned
I makes the fight go by faster actually.
R
Retro_
Unconfirmed Member
an opinion formed without being fully aware of every aspect of the thing you're criticizing.(you didn't know it was avoidable)
Which is what I was saying in my initial post. People just throw the term around and half the time don't even know what they're talking about
CambriaRising
Member
You don't have to be an asshole just because you disagree. It it never introduced that if you fail a blade mode sequence you die instantly(In most cases).
I didn't skip using blade mode? That fuck? I used it all the time, any chance I got in fact.
If it was indeed mandatory, then yes it is badly designed.
So you're complaining that they up the danger in a final boss?
Crimsonclaw111
Member
I absolutely love this game, no doubt about it. There are, however, several flaws that need correcting in the sequel.
1) Shitty camera. How does this camera get stuck so goddamn much? It's ridiculous. VR missions are extremely difficult due to the camera.
2) Weapon switching system. How the fuck is this not on-the-fly? At the very least, allow the swapping of weapons when moving. Having to stand perfectly still is stupid.
3) Off-screen projectiles and attacks without a visual cue or warning.
I believe a sequel could fix everything wrong with the game though.
1) Shitty camera. How does this camera get stuck so goddamn much? It's ridiculous. VR missions are extremely difficult due to the camera.
2) Weapon switching system. How the fuck is this not on-the-fly? At the very least, allow the swapping of weapons when moving. Having to stand perfectly still is stupid.
3) Off-screen projectiles and attacks without a visual cue or warning.
I believe a sequel could fix everything wrong with the game though.
You keep saying you die instantly. Did you really not upgrade your lifebar at ALL? I could take one of those hits and still have 60% life left and I think I had a total of 150% or so.
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Retro_
Unconfirmed Member
The Monsoon fight has an actual QTE that is instadeath
He's the final boss of the game and all of his normal moves do wicked amounts of damage. Why would you assume that his giant super attack wouldn't completely destroy you, though?
CambriaRising
Member
My max is 180%, I am playing on hard. I was either left with 15% or so, or nothing at all.
Hot Coldman
Banned
Dying on one hit like that is bullshit, even if you know what you're supposed to do. It didn't bother me, because stuff like that doesn't (unless it keeps happening again and again, which it didn't), but it is bad.
FlashbladeGAF
Member
It's not a 100 percent damage
Managed to get to the slicing segment without taking any damage on hard mode. screwed up the second slash because I forgot to adjust the left analog stick to move the camera up as well as line up the slash with the right stick.
Took major major damage, but I survived.
Granted getting to that point without getting hit isnt easy
CambriaRising
Member
I am assuming the spire thing?
And, in contrast, if the game did force you to master the blade mode mechanic during the Sundowner fight instead of offering you multiple ways to beat it, guess what we call that?
Bad design.
It's such an easy argument to throw around.
R
Retro_
Unconfirmed Member
Professor Beef
Banned
No, but you are punished. And the punishment for not completing the blade mode sequence that you should be good at by the time you're at the end of the game is acceptable since you're in the last fight of the game.
Robot Pants
Member
Now you're just being nasty!
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
It's right after a checkpoint though, right?
edit: Oh the running up the spire? Doesn't seem like anyone who's actually looking at the screen could fail that one.
I played on hard too and he didn't do that kind of damage to me.
ArchedThunder
Banned
It is the core mechanic of the game and you are complaining that you have to use it to defeat a boss.
wat
AcceptableGhost
Member
My only problem with the last boss is that giving you four health items is absurd, it should give you maybe one or two tops.
How is that factually wrong? If it was a random button QTE out of nowhere like in Bayo I'd agree, but using blade mode cutting is something you've been taught over the whole game. You die if you fail it, I don't see any cheapness in that.
That's a hell of a parry, then!
At least this is finally a game where you can slice dudes in half, like a real sword. This is the best Star Wars game in years, like that.
Makes me want a new Bushido Blade so bad...
It's not even a QTE. It demands skills you should have picked up over the course of the game. It's your own fault if you fail.