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Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance |OT| A Blade Forged In Platinum [LAW OF THE WILD]
- Thread starter ScraftyDevil
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I've done some more testing on the first fight of R-01 on Revengeance difficulty. I purposefully died and restarted, then I did the fight again by chucking an EM grenade and one-shot everything with a charged Pincer strike with Ripper Mode active. No 'No Damage' bonus.
I then menu restarted before the checkpoint saved and fought again. One-shot everything without being touched, also no 'No Damage' bonus (I forgot to check the time, I'm dumb).
Restarted the entire mission from the chapter select and went up to the fight, restarted from menu and then one-shot everything and got a 'No Damage' bonus.
Someone should test this on an actual boss to see if the Ray fight is just special like that.
Innnteresting. I know that Monsoon adds up the time every time you restart from death. Someone on here got a huge point deduction and missed an S rank because of it.
Captain_Spanky
Member
Holy shit is Hard to Very Hard a major step up. I've died more on RAY than I have on any other boss in all my playthroughs so far!
toastyToast
Member
Should I fully upgrade myself and Konami code to Revengeance mode or do Very Hard first?
Yeah this shit is weird. It's safe to say that restarting from the death menu removes the possibility of a 'No Death' bonus in the fight you died in. If you restart before you die it's safe though as long as you can get past without actually getting hit. I tested this in the second fight of the chapter which has a checkpoint in between part one (civilian rescue) and part two (appearance of the first Gekko). Here's what I did:
-Ran around and got hit on the first part, restart from start menu.
-This time murdered everyone without getting hit, proceeded to second part.
-Got hit in the second part by stray gunfire, restart from start menu.
-Murdered everyone without getting hit.
-Got an S on the after battle report, got 'No Damage' bonus.
I'm gonna test the time in the third battle now.
Very Hard will probably provide some good feedback and practice for Revengeance mode. It'll also earn you some good BP. I'd suggest going through Very Hard until you can max out some vital things, like the Muramasa, Skills, Fuel Cells, and Health. It's more fun than farming, anyway.
Well, each Ranked Battle is individually scored, so if you take damage in an inconsequential battle before going into the Ranked Battle, that won't affect your No Damage Bonus.
You can parry their attacks that flash red but not the yellow ones.
Captain_Spanky
Member
That's kind of a shame. I'm enjoying having my balls busted
Yeah, I believe you can. I don't think it insta-stuns them for Zandatsu since they have a lot of health though.
or maybe the prologue just forced me to get way better really quickly? haha
because i haven't really had too much trouble(not nearly as much as the prologue chapter anyway) and i'm past monsoon.
So yeah, final boss is wrecking my shit. I have 0 nanopaste so it's pretty impossible for me, as I'm not that good of a player.
It's not helping that I totally hate the dodge move. Pressing square + X only works 50% of the time for me. I really hate moves with two button presses like that, as raiden sometimes dodges, but all the other times he just does some light attack or something.
It's not helping that I totally hate the dodge move. Pressing square + X only works 50% of the time for me. I really hate moves with two button presses like that, as raiden sometimes dodges, but all the other times he just does some light attack or something.
When his robot does two blades at a time, I seem to be able to dodge it. But most of his single blade attacks just wreck my shit, I just can't dodge them. I really wish they assigned the dodge button to a different button layout :/
How long are you taking to zap them and do you get spotted at all during then? The dwarf gekko section seems very time sensitive
You're scored based on criteria that's listed in the Rank screen. There is a max value on each of the stats, so you'll need to get a high score on all of them to get a high rank.
Time Taken, # of Zandatsu, Amount of BP, Longest Combo, # of Kills.
You also get a No Damage Bonus and a No Kill bonus, which are counted separately and added to the totals. The No Damage should always be pursued. The No Kill bonus is interesting because I believe it's impossible to get the No Kill bonus without subverting the Zandatsu and the Kill scores.
The required score for different ranks is different for each battle, and the maximum score for each stat is also different for each battle.
The two blade attack seems to have a different timing than his single blade attacks, best input I can give at the moment since I'm not near my copy of the game right now.
I've actually gotten used to the dodge mechanic in this game, so I don't have much of a problem with it anymore. But yeah, I think it could have made more sense to just map dodge to the O button since that's not used in combat outside of Zandatsu
EDIT: I get why the dodge is mapped to light attack and jump simultaneously though. You're technically doing a quick jump and a light attack at the same time, so I see the logic in mapping those two individual buttons together to do the dodge. But from a simplicity sake I would have just mapped it to circle.
Show me a good time, Jack!
"The only thing I know for real: THERE WILL BE BLOOD! SHED!"
toastyToast
Member
The man has a gun sheath that shoots a sword.
You dont need many robot enhancements when you have something as manly as that.
Yeah I was pretty shocked at that twist. Too manly for me.
yeah but thats my point, the dwarf gecko section isn't really a fight. you cant do anything but sneak around and zap guys
edit: oops didnt see the other reply. so its just based on time? that makes sense cuz i took my time both playthroughs
Are you doing an attack? I believe you can't dodge out of certain heavy attacks that you commit to.
Yeah, that fight's unique. You only need to race to the end and take no damage for an S rank.
That's actually one of the ONLY reasons
he needs cybernetic enhancements... so that he can actually control the sword while it's shooting out of his sheath. His one arm is cybernetic and the other one isn't.
Fuck that was amazing. No one thought of that, a gun holster that shoots out the sword for quick draw slash.
My S Ranks for that section usually come when I just breeze through it and zap-and-run each of the guards (because I've played the game enough to know where each of them specifically are). Considering it's the only thing that you can really affect in that section, since Zandatsus and killing are out of the question, it's likely to be the important thing.
Other than Zandatsu'ing the Gekkos, no.
Yes, I've considered doing that. They die too quick though.
toastyToast
Member
The fight has a checkpoint after you
take out one of the legs.
Parry or dodge the side swipes
Side dodge the double overhead blades (unblockable)
When he starts dropping the foot wait until its on its way down and back dodge
With the laser section, use ninja run to avoid the vertical beam (try to get the Geckos killed)
With the horizontal beam, run to the back of the opposite end of the area.
Side dodge the double overhead blades (unblockable)
When he starts dropping the foot wait until its on its way down and back dodge
With the laser section, use ninja run to avoid the vertical beam (try to get the Geckos killed)
With the horizontal beam, run to the back of the opposite end of the area.
Just let the lasers hit them
Your health won't fall below 0.1% if you're correctly parrying though.
You get a checkpoint midway through that fight. You may just want to stock up on nanopaste and retry all of R-07 again. It doesn't take long to get to the boss, and the fight isn't over by a long shot where you are... so you'll probably need more nanopaste anyway.
Noisepurge
Member
but you do get 2x5 nanopastes in...umm...a phase in the boss fight
you just have to endure until then.Yeah I found that out firsthand with the battle against Sam. My first way through the game, I got my ass completely handed to me, and after I finally beat him, my Completion Time was over an hour. Whoops.
Second time through, I got him on my first try so I feel less bad about myself.
What does this mean exactly? The menu restarting is pretty much the guaranteed way of restarting without ruining your score, so the other confirmations don't surprise me.
I think he just means menu restarting doesn't erase time accumulated from dying. So if you restart just before death, no time accumulated. If you die and restart, you accumulate time. If you die and restart, and then manually restart again, you still maintain all of the time you accumulated from dying.
-Edit: Also, dying and choosing not to restart doesn't work either to my knowledge. The game autosaves as soon as you die, so if you quit to title and reload the game, I'm pretty sure you are still penalized.
If you die after 2 minutes, restarting from the menu after that will always start from the 2 minute mark. If you die again (because you missed pressing start before you died) after 3 minutes, restarting from the menu after that will start from the accumulated time of 5 minutes.
^Starting over from the Title screen i.e. choosing to Continue will retain deaths. You can only wipe it by starting the chapter all over again i.e. Chapter Select.
Captain_Spanky
Member
Love the changes to enemy aggression and attack speed in Very Hard. The true rising starts here!
Congrats!
Right. So death retries always result more time. So is Ray still the anamoly?
Thank, you guys have been a great help with your tips/hints on the previous page.
Wish I could try Samuel on Revengeance now, but apparently you can't just start a chapter on a different playthrough. You have to play every chapter before Samuel on Revengeance too.
+1 boss rush mode
Whoops, knew I forgot something but I just turned the game off. :/
I did try it on the Hammerhead "boss" after the Blade Wolf, killed it 5 seconds after I died and it said 1:30 on the score card. I think Ray is an anomaly.
It only counts ranked battles. There are hidden ranked battles and missable ones (don't stealth) if you are not careful. One of the trickiest being R03 right before the boss.
As far as the chapter no damage bonus I have no clue. I assume you have to do the entire chapter with no damage.
I'm also not sure. The end score/time for the level might just be for all the fights since it specifically says something like "Total Combat Grade" or something. Maybe the final time at the endgame includes everything... although we know it doesn't include retries or cutscenes.
Yeah, I think so. And I think you can probably menu restart if you need to as well. I'm not sure how it benefits you or what bonus you get other than the NO DAMAGE label in your Chapter Select.