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NeoUltima

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jett said:
Oh man why did I take a glance at the soundtrack list. I didn't read anything 100% spoilerish, but one track title could be, as it bears resemblance to a scene in MGS2. WHY GOD WHY









Then again it could be nothing. I must repress this knowledge somehow.
O great :(. Now I am thinking what your thinking. I hadn't caught on to it before. It probably will be nothing though. Not worth worrying about.
 

Ephemeris

Member
Ploid 3.0 said:
The spoiler was just describing the video. The only thing that could be a spoiler is the name of one of the beauties, and the fact that there is a battle between you and that beauty.

Ah okay. thanks
 

h3ro

Member
I just beat my first MGS.... :D :D :D

holy shit at what Ocelot says after the credits... the President!?!?

I start MGS 2 tomorrow...
 

tha_con

Banned
Lemme just say that listening to the OST, I've decided that
I'm going to play BB Corps during Halloween this year
.
 
traveler said:
Ditto. Would it be too much to ask for this for all future wallpapers? (The 1600 x 900 resolution is also fine)

No problem guys ill do that for all future one and go back and re-edit the others.
Ill have the new sizes tomorrow.
 

h0pper

only Fernando's ripe melons are good enough for me
Hey guys,

first of all, DON'T ATTACK ME :lol

but, I'm fairly new to the MGS series. I've played through some of the second, but never got far into the story. The series is a bit before my time so I never had the patience as a kid to play the originals. I've been dying to see the 4th installment since the first videos/screenshots came out and I actually picked up a PS3 the other day to treat myself for a graduation present.

I would love to play through the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd, but my PS and PS2 are no longer with me, RIP. There's no way I'm going out and buying all that hard/software for 2-3 games as well.

What I'm getting at is that I'm wondering if there is a place where I can see the cut scenes from the entire series or at least a place where I can get the entire story line. I've looked over Wikipedia but that's probably not as in-depth as it should be.

Can anyone help me?
 

N30RYU

Member
h0pper said:
Hey guys,

first of all, DON'T ATTACK ME :lol

but, I'm fairly new to the MGS series. I've played through some of the second, but never got far into the story. The series is a bit before my time so I never had the patience as a kid to play the originals. I've been dying to see the 4th installment since the first videos/screenshots came out and I actually picked up a PS3 the other day to treat myself for a graduation present.

I would love to play through the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd, but my PS and PS2 are no longer with me, RIP. There's no way I'm going out and buying all that hard/software for 2-3 games as well.

What I'm getting at is that I'm wondering if there is a place where I can see the cut scenes from the entire series or at least a place where I can get the entire story line. I've looked over Wikipedia but that's probably not as in-depth as it should be.

Can anyone help me?

Look THIS youtube link

The 5 games been fully played. MGS3, MG, MG2, MGS and MGS2
 
h0pper said:
Hey guys,

first of all, DON'T ATTACK ME :lol

but, I'm fairly new to the MGS series. I've played through some of the second, but never got far into the story. The series is a bit before my time so I never had the patience as a kid to play the originals. I've been dying to see the 4th installment since the first videos/screenshots came out and I actually picked up a PS3 the other day to treat myself for a graduation present.

I would love to play through the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd, but my PS and PS2 are no longer with me, RIP. There's no way I'm going out and buying all that hard/software for 2-3 games as well.

What I'm getting at is that I'm wondering if there is a place where I can see the cut scenes from the entire series or at least a place where I can get the entire story line. I've looked over Wikipedia but that's probably not as in-depth as it should be.

Can anyone help me?

edit: nevermind, there's your youtube link.

The OP is pretty amazing in that regard. But if you want to watch the real cut scenes, I don't know, youtubing them would probably be a bitch. Why don't you just buy the essentials collection? It has the three MGS games for $29.99 and the box-art is amazing. :D
 

N30RYU

Member
Maybe they are already been posted

IGN video showing weapon customization.

IGN Interview to Kojima. (new spoilers)

IGN Saga tribute called "Ode to Snake"
 
BlockBastard said:
edit: nevermind, there's your youtube link.

The OP is pretty amazing in that regard. But if you want to watch the real cut scenes, I don't know, youtubing them would probably be a bitch. Why don't you just buy the essentials collection? It has the three MGS games for $29.99 and the box-art is amazing.

thinking same thing hope he has a ps3 with the b/c.

:D[Hey guys,

first of all, DON'T ATTACK ME

but, I'm fairly new to the MGS series. I've played through some of the second, but never got far into the story. The series is a bit before my time so I never had the patience as a kid to play the originals. I've been dying to see the 4th installment since the first videos/screenshots came out and I actually picked up a PS3 the other day to treat myself for a graduation present.

I would love to play through the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd, but my PS and PS2 are no longer with me, RIP. There's no way I'm going out and buying all that hard/software for 2-3 games as well.

What I'm getting at is that I'm wondering if there is a place where I can see the cut scenes from the entire series or at least a place where I can get the entire story line. I've looked over Wikipedia but that's probably not as in-depth as it should be.

Can anyone help me?/QUOTE]
 

Klone.K

Member
My only gripe with MGS4 is that it doesn't seem up to age in some respects.

Kojima added features such as skipping, forwarding, rewinding and pausing cutscenes. But ever since MGS3 the gameplay has gotten longer in MGS games, evidently the biggest game in the series being MGS4 now. There is still NO way to skip gameplay sequences for those who are primarily interested in how the story unfolds. The gameplay IS fun, but I think with MGS3 they went a little overboard where at times I'm playing over 20 minutes straight and am only rewarded with a short ass cutscenes.

I think a lot of people would appreciate a feature such as the Demo Theatre being available from the beginning of the game so those who want to can just cut right to the storyline and sit back and watch.

Thoughmaybe it'd just cheapen the experience but I really don't like the idea of more than half the game being spent on gameplay when I'm 90% interested in the storyline only.
 

Yoboman

Member
TTP said:
Oh god I socialized with KojiPro guys. I'm biased forever.

It's odd they mention the socialization thing as that's exactly what happens at every press event.
Quiet ye bias sloth, ye reviews are n't credible
 
Klone.K said:
My only gripe with MGS4 is that it doesn't seem up to age in some respects.

Kojima added features such as skipping, forwarding, rewinding and pausing cutscenes. But ever since MGS3 the gameplay has gotten longer in MGS games, evidently the biggest game in the series being MGS4 now. There is still NO way to skip gameplay sequences for those who are primarily interested in how the story unfolds. The gameplay IS fun, but I think with MGS3 they went a little overboard where at times I'm playing over 20 minutes straight and am only rewarded with a short ass cutscenes.

I think a lot of people would appreciate a feature such as the Demo Theatre being available from the beginning of the game so those who want to can just cut right to the storyline can sit back and watch.

Thoughmaybe it'd just cheapen the experience but I really don't like the idea of more than half the game being spent on gameplay when I'm 90% interested in the storyline only.

Get out.
 

Costanza

Banned
Klone.K said:
My only gripe with MGS4 is that it doesn't seem up to age in some respects.

Kojima added features such as skipping, forwarding, rewinding and pausing cutscenes. But ever since MGS3 the gameplay has gotten longer in MGS games, evidently the biggest game in the series being MGS4 now. There is still NO way to skip gameplay sequences for those who are primarily interested in how the story unfolds. The gameplay IS fun, but I think with MGS3 they went a little overboard where at times I'm playing over 20 minutes straight and am only rewarded with a short ass cutscenes.

I think a lot of people would appreciate a feature such as the Demo Theatre being available from the beginning of the game so those who want to can just cut right to the storyline and sit back and watch.

Thoughmaybe it'd just cheapen the experience but I really don't like the idea of more than half the game being spent on gameplay when I'm 90% interested in the storyline only.
:lol come on
 

Yoboman

Member
Klone.K said:
My only gripe with MGS4 is that it doesn't seem up to age in some respects.

Kojima added features such as skipping, forwarding, rewinding and pausing cutscenes. But ever since MGS3 the gameplay has gotten longer in MGS games, evidently the biggest game in the series being MGS4 now. There is still NO way to skip gameplay sequences for those who are primarily interested in how the story unfolds. The gameplay IS fun, but I think with MGS3 they went a little overboard where at times I'm playing over 20 minutes straight and am only rewarded with a short ass cutscenes.

I think a lot of people would appreciate a feature such as the Demo Theatre being available from the beginning of the game so those who want to can just cut right to the storyline and sit back and watch.

Thoughmaybe it'd just cheapen the experience but I really don't like the idea of more than half the game being spent on gameplay when I'm 90% interested in the storyline only.
Stupidest thing I ever heard
 

NeoUltima

Member
Klone.K said:
My only gripe with MGS4 is that it doesn't seem up to age in some respects.

Kojima added features such as skipping, forwarding, rewinding and pausing cutscenes. But ever since MGS3 the gameplay has gotten longer in MGS games, evidently the biggest game in the series being MGS4 now. There is still NO way to skip gameplay sequences for those who are primarily interested in how the story unfolds. The gameplay IS fun, but I think with MGS3 they went a little overboard where at times I'm playing over 20 minutes straight and am only rewarded with a short ass cutscenes.

I think a lot of people would appreciate a feature such as the Demo Theatre being available from the beginning of the game so those who want to can just cut right to the storyline and sit back and watch.

Thoughmaybe it'd just cheapen the experience but I really don't like the idea of more than half the game being spent on gameplay when I'm 90% interested in the storyline only.
:lol :lol

(this is a joke...right?)
 

Klone.K

Member
Red Blaster said:

For what? People complained about not being able to skip cutscenes and so Kojima fixed that. Why can't there be an option to cater to those interested in the cutscenes? I'm not asking for less gameplay, but an option to watch the cinematics without being disturbed by the gameplay.
 
Klone.K said:
My only gripe with MGS4 is that it doesn't seem up to age in some respects.

Kojima added features such as skipping, forwarding, rewinding and pausing cutscenes. But ever since MGS3 the gameplay has gotten longer in MGS games, evidently the biggest game in the series being MGS4 now. There is still NO way to skip gameplay sequences for those who are primarily interested in how the story unfolds. The gameplay IS fun, but I think with MGS3 they went a little overboard where at times I'm playing over 20 minutes straight and am only rewarded with a short ass cutscenes.

I think a lot of people would appreciate a feature such as the Demo Theatre being available from the beginning of the game so those who want to can just cut right to the storyline and sit back and watch.

Thoughmaybe it'd just cheapen the experience but I really don't like the idea of more than half the game being spent on gameplay when I'm 90% interested in the storyline only.

hahahaha
 
Klone.K said:
What? Am I the only one primarily interested in the storyline?
Sure I'm not.

I'm sure everyone actively posting here in the official thread is interested in the storyline to some degree, but dood

:lol
 
Klone.K said:
My only gripe with MGS4 is that it doesn't seem up to age in some respects.

Kojima added features such as skipping, forwarding, rewinding and pausing cutscenes. But ever since MGS3 the gameplay has gotten longer in MGS games, evidently the biggest game in the series being MGS4 now. There is still NO way to skip gameplay sequences for those who are primarily interested in how the story unfolds. The gameplay IS fun, but I think with MGS3 they went a little overboard where at times I'm playing over 20 minutes straight and am only rewarded with a short ass cutscenes.

I think a lot of people would appreciate a feature such as the Demo Theatre being available from the beginning of the game so those who want to can just cut right to the storyline and sit back and watch.

Thoughmaybe it'd just cheapen the experience but I really don't like the idea of more than half the game being spent on gameplay when I'm 90% interested in the storyline only.
What the hell dude. :lol

islewarrior said:
can someone confirm this from their web site. gamespot wtf nobody coul give a rip. do the world a favor. don't review mgs4

In reviews land, we at GameSpot have been put in a really tough position by multiple developers and publishers of late. We refused to cater to one of these whims last week, in regards to the review code provided to us for Ninja Gaiden II by Microsoft. In case you weren't aware, code provided to American review outlets was not final, and frankly, did not perform well (oddly, the European press was given retail code. The discrepancy baffles us as much as it baffles you). Microsoft announced that many of these problems, such as loading times and framerate issues, would not be present in the final version. Some outlets published a review early and noted the potential differences. At GameSpot, we chose not to give you a review that isn't based on the same software, frankly because we think that playing along with this publisher-enforced mind game (and therefore enabling it) is unethical and does a disservice to our readers.

The more recent mind-boggling publisher requests have come from Konami regarding Metal Gear Solid 4--requests that clearly cross the line. The first involved an event that we wanted no part of. The majority of the American press was recently flown to Japan for a so-called "boot camp," where reviewers spent two and a half days playing Metal Gear Solid 4 under the watchful eyes of the development team, socialized and dined with them, and then provided focus group-type feedback on the final day. We flatly refused this request, because we believe that an environment like this is contrary to the impartiality required to review a game--particularly a major game such as this one. We believe that journalists should not have to adhere to such demands, and that doing so puts them in an unethical and awkward position. In our eyes, it would be inappropriate for us to socialize with developers during the reviews process. And we think reasonable people would agree.

It has also been widely reported that Konami blatantly asked the press not to mention two pieces of pertinent information in their reviews: how long the cutscenes are, and how long the installation process is. Publishers routinely ask reviewers not to publish certain story points because they are considered spoilers. That's fair, and we've never resisted requests of that nature. However, cutscene length and installation length are pertinent subjects within the context of a review, and speaking on a personal level, I believe it is flat-out wrong for any publisher to request that pertinent information be left out of a review. The journalist decides what information is most important for the review--not the developer or its publisher.

These are mind games that put us in an awfully awkward position. Of course we want our reviews to be timely and competitive, but never at the expense of accuracy and objectiveness. As reviews begin to trickle out from other publications, our audience complains that we're "late," and by securing exclusive reviews and playing along with these unreasonable publisher requests, some publications foster this idea that the reviews process is a race to publication. Publishers create this environment--but many press outlets enable it, without questioning it, because it brings them all-important traffic. I, for one, am more interested in a review that isn't haunted by these specters, and I think you would want the same.

As of this writing, we are unsure if we will have a Metal gear Solid 4 review published by the game's release date. We have not received review code, and the earliest Konami is willing to provide it is on the 9th, three days before release. It's unfortunate that publisher politics have reached this point, where refusing to meet these unreasonable demands means that we and our readers are effectively punished. Please understand this much: We will bring you a review of Metal Gear Solid 4 when we've played the same code on the discs you buy, and played it in an appropriate, unbiased environment. We think you'll agree that this is the only real choice.

sorry if this is old news.
What the hell Gamespot. You guys are beyond ridiculous. :lol
 

Tideas

Banned
islewarrior said:
can someone confirm this from their web site. gamespot wtf nobody coul give a rip. do the world a favor. don't review mgs4

In reviews land, we at GameSpot have been put in a really tough position by multiple developers and publishers of late. We refused to cater to one of these whims last week, in regards to the review code provided to us for Ninja Gaiden II by Microsoft. In case you weren't aware, code provided to American review outlets was not final, and frankly, did not perform well (oddly, the European press was given retail code. The discrepancy baffles us as much as it baffles you). Microsoft announced that many of these problems, such as loading times and framerate issues, would not be present in the final version. Some outlets published a review early and noted the potential differences. At GameSpot, we chose not to give you a review that isn't based on the same software, frankly because we think that playing along with this publisher-enforced mind game (and therefore enabling it) is unethical and does a disservice to our readers.

The more recent mind-boggling publisher requests have come from Konami regarding Metal Gear Solid 4--requests that clearly cross the line. The first involved an event that we wanted no part of. The majority of the American press was recently flown to Japan for a so-called "boot camp," where reviewers spent two and a half days playing Metal Gear Solid 4 under the watchful eyes of the development team, socialized and dined with them, and then provided focus group-type feedback on the final day. We flatly refused this request, because we believe that an environment like this is contrary to the impartiality required to review a game--particularly a major game such as this one. We believe that journalists should not have to adhere to such demands, and that doing so puts them in an unethical and awkward position. In our eyes, it would be inappropriate for us to socialize with developers during the reviews process. And we think reasonable people would agree.

It has also been widely reported that Konami blatantly asked the press not to mention two pieces of pertinent information in their reviews: how long the cutscenes are, and how long the installation process is. Publishers routinely ask reviewers not to publish certain story points because they are considered spoilers. That's fair, and we've never resisted requests of that nature. However, cutscene length and installation length are pertinent subjects within the context of a review, and speaking on a personal level, I believe it is flat-out wrong for any publisher to request that pertinent information be left out of a review. The journalist decides what information is most important for the review--not the developer or its publisher.

These are mind games that put us in an awfully awkward position. Of course we want our reviews to be timely and competitive, but never at the expense of accuracy and objectiveness. As reviews begin to trickle out from other publications, our audience complains that we're "late," and by securing exclusive reviews and playing along with these unreasonable publisher requests, some publications foster this idea that the reviews process is a race to publication. Publishers create this environment--but many press outlets enable it, without questioning it, because it brings them all-important traffic. I, for one, am more interested in a review that isn't haunted by these specters, and I think you would want the same.

As of this writing, we are unsure if we will have a Metal gear Solid 4 review published by the game's release date. We have not received review code, and the earliest Konami is willing to provide it is on the 9th, three days before release. It's unfortunate that publisher politics have reached this point, where refusing to meet these unreasonable demands means that we and our readers are effectively punished. Please understand this much: We will bring you a review of Metal Gear Solid 4 when we've played the same code on the discs you buy, and played it in an appropriate, unbiased environment. We think you'll agree that this is the only real choice.

sorry if this is old news.

My friend. This is what we call Irony.
 

tha_con

Banned
Klone.K said:
My only gripe with MGS4 is that it doesn't seem up to age in some respects.

Kojima added features such as skipping, forwarding, rewinding and pausing cutscenes. But ever since MGS3 the gameplay has gotten longer in MGS games, evidently the biggest game in the series being MGS4 now. There is still NO way to skip gameplay sequences for those who are primarily interested in how the story unfolds. The gameplay IS fun, but I think with MGS3 they went a little overboard where at times I'm playing over 20 minutes straight and am only rewarded with a short ass cutscenes.

I think a lot of people would appreciate a feature such as the Demo Theatre being available from the beginning of the game so those who want to can just cut right to the storyline and sit back and watch.

Thoughmaybe it'd just cheapen the experience but I really don't like the idea of more than half the game being spent on gameplay when I'm 90% interested in the storyline only.

:lol

I'm not laughing at you, but this is just the complete opposite of almost every gamers wish for MGS4, lol.

It's like, for years folks have wanted to skip cutscenes (not myself) but this is the first I've ever heard of skipping gameplay.
 
Klone.K said:
My only gripe with MGS4 is that it doesn't seem up to age in some respects.

Kojima added features such as skipping, forwarding, rewinding and pausing cutscenes. But ever since MGS3 the gameplay has gotten longer in MGS games, evidently the biggest game in the series being MGS4 now. There is still NO way to skip gameplay sequences for those who are primarily interested in how the story unfolds. The gameplay IS fun, but I think with MGS3 they went a little overboard where at times I'm playing over 20 minutes straight and am only rewarded with a short ass cutscenes.

I think a lot of people would appreciate a feature such as the Demo Theatre being available from the beginning of the game so those who want to can just cut right to the storyline and sit back and watch.

Thoughmaybe it'd just cheapen the experience but I really don't like the idea of more than half the game being spent on gameplay when I'm 90% interested in the storyline only.
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rikichi

Member
Klone.K said:
My only gripe with MGS4 is that it doesn't seem up to age in some respects.

Kojima added features such as skipping, forwarding, rewinding and pausing cutscenes. But ever since MGS3 the gameplay has gotten longer in MGS games, evidently the biggest game in the series being MGS4 now. There is still NO way to skip gameplay sequences for those who are primarily interested in how the story unfolds. The gameplay IS fun, but I think with MGS3 they went a little overboard where at times I'm playing over 20 minutes straight and am only rewarded with a short ass cutscenes.

I think a lot of people would appreciate a feature such as the Demo Theatre being available from the beginning of the game so those who want to can just cut right to the storyline and sit back and watch.

Thoughmaybe it'd just cheapen the experience but I really don't like the idea of more than half the game being spent on gameplay when I'm 90% interested in the storyline only.

reetahded
 

AAK

Member
Klone.K said:
My only gripe with MGS4 is that it doesn't seem up to age in some respects.

Kojima added features such as skipping, forwarding, rewinding and pausing cutscenes. But ever since MGS3 the gameplay has gotten longer in MGS games, evidently the biggest game in the series being MGS4 now. There is still NO way to skip gameplay sequences for those who are primarily interested in how the story unfolds. The gameplay IS fun, but I think with MGS3 they went a little overboard where at times I'm playing over 20 minutes straight and am only rewarded with a short ass cutscenes.

I think a lot of people would appreciate a feature such as the Demo Theatre being available from the beginning of the game so those who want to can just cut right to the storyline and sit back and watch.

Thoughmaybe it'd just cheapen the experience but I really don't like the idea of more than half the game being spent on gameplay when I'm 90% interested in the storyline only.

Just wait for the MGS4: Substantiance or something and maybe it'll have an extra existence disc in a 100 GB blu-ray.
 

traveler

Not Wario
Wait- isn't he basically just asking for the LE disc from Subsistence IN ADDITION TO the main game with all the cutscenes and gameplay? I'm don't think I'd ever want to sit down and watch it, but that doesn't seem that weird given the fact that such a thing exists for one of the installments in the series already as well as the cutscene heavy focus.
 

Yoboman

Member
traveler said:
Wait- isn't he basically just asking for the LE disc from Subsistence IN ADDITION TO the main game with all the cutscenes and gameplay? I'm don't think I'd ever want to sit down and watch it, but that doesn't seem that weird given the fact that such a thing exists for one of the installments in the series already as well as the cutscene heavy focus.
No he's asking for a button to skip the gameplay between cutscenes :lol
 

Klone.K

Member
I'm not asking to remove the gameplay. Basically I'm asking for something like the MGS3 subsistence disc except there from the START, so if I don't want to go through all the gameplay I can just watch all the cutscenes one after another in beautiful HD (youtube doesn't give me that)

This isn't just an ordinary game, it's more like an interactive movie series and it's being marketed as a cinematic experience. I think an option like this would appeal to casual theatre goers who don't play games but might be interested in a colossal "movie". I don't have anything against the gameplay, though I really don't care for it but I'm not asking for it to be removed, just for an alternative way of experiencing the story without it.
 

MollyMillions

Neo Member
Klone.K said:
I'm not asking to remove the gameplay. Basically I'm asking for something like the MGS3 subsistence disc except there from the START, so if I don't want to go through all the gameplay I can just watch all the cutscenes one after another in beautiful HD (youtube doesn't give me that)

This isn't just an ordinary game, it's more like an interactive movie series and it's being marketed as a cinematic experience. I think an option like this would appeal to casual theatre goers who don't play games but might be interested in a colossal "movie". I don't have anything against the gameplay, though I really don't care for it but I'm not asking for it to be removed, just for an alternative way of experiencing the story without it.


I've gotta ask: do you like and play videogames in general? Is the MGS series the only game you have/will play?

If so, that's cool, although expecting the developers of a game to cater to people who don't like games makes, um, very little sense. Not to mention it's a little odd for someone who doesn't like games to consider the narrative in a videogame the best story they've ever seen (when the medium is notoriously weak in this department).

If you play other games, then I really don't get what your issue is with the gameplay specifically in MGS4; Kojima goes to great lengths to craft the entire experience; skipping the gameplay is neutering his work.
 

MollyMillions

Neo Member
Kagari said:
Shit just got real.
Sony is countingdown for the MGS hardware bundle on their blog ;O

Hey Kagari,
I pre-ordered the Gunmetal PS3 bundle, so no artbook for me. <sadpanda>

When you get a chance to take a look at them can you post like a mini-review or something so I know if it's worth ebaying a copy?
 

Kagari

Crystal Bearer
MollyMillions said:
Hey Kagari,
I pre-ordered the Gunmetal PS3 bundle, so no artbook for me. <sadpanda>

When you get a chance to take a look at them can you post like a mini-review or something so I know if it's worth ebaying a copy?

I'll have mine tomorrow. Impressions will follow.
 

Guled

Member
I just ordered the headset and LE guild off gamespot (not going to open that until I beat the game). How long do you guys think it will take to ship to Canada?
 
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