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[Ridley327]

I've played about an hour of Peace Walker and I am LOVING it. Seems like an incredibly solid game with an awesome story. Very excited to pick it back up after work.

MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

[show me your skeleton]

sorry about asking as i'm sure it's already been answered but why was this delayed so much for europe/uk?

 

[Arklite]

MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Perhaps the story dips into ridiculous territory, but the stuff concerning the building of mother base, expansion of MSF, the plan for nuclear deterrence, and the whole 'revolutionary' vibe is done well and as always the characters are very well acted.

 

[Retro_]

Perhaps the story dips into ridiculous territory, but the stuff concerning the building of mother base, expansion of MSF, the plan for nuclear deterrence, and the whole 'revolutionary' vibe is done well and as always the characters are very well acted.

That stuff isn't really developed more than it is in the initial trailers

that kind of holds true for a majority of the cast as well

 

[TemplaerDude]

MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Well, by awesome I mean the kind of ridiculous Metal Gear shit I'm looking for.

 

[Ridley327]

Well, by awesome I mean the kind of ridiculous Metal Gear shit I'm looking for.

This game, perhaps even more than MGS4, will break the limits of your tolerance for "ridiculous Metal Gear shit."

 

[Arklite]

That stuff isn't really developed more than it is in the initial trailers

that kind of holds true for a majority of the cast as well

I would disagree, but I didn't really watch the trailers either. I don't know if they explained the reasons for Peace Walkers existence or Big Boss' reasons for creating MSF, or laid out the storyline flat out. That seems like too much for a trailer.

 

[Big Papa Husker]

Anyone's LE ship from Amazon today? Has anyone done an Amazon chat and ask them what is going on?

 

[TemplaerDude]

This game, perhaps even more than MGS4, will break the limits of your tolerance for "ridiculous Metal Gear shit."

See, that just makes me excited.

 

[Ridley327]

Anyone's LE ship from Amazon today? Has anyone done an Amazon chat and ask them what is going on?

Here's what Amazon sent me in an email on the subject:

Hello,

I'm sorry to hear your order hasn't shipped yet.

However, I can confirm that we still expect to ship your order in time to be delivered to you by November 10.

We'll send you an e-mail when your order is shipped with your tracking number. Your order could ship any time between now and right before the estimated delivery date.

My cup runneth over with liquid confidence.

 

[LiK]

Perhaps the story dips into ridiculous territory, but the stuff concerning the building of mother base, expansion of MSF, the plan for nuclear deterrence, and the whole 'revolutionary' vibe is done well and as always the characters are very well acted.

that's like in every game

 

[Arklite]

that's like in every game

For sure, which is why I thought it was odd when some fans decided PW had gone beyond the threshold of plot believability when the franchise is so far beyond it.

 

[B.K.]

This game, perhaps even more than MGS4, will break the limits of your tolerance for "ridiculous Metal Gear shit."

Metal Gear Solid is like 24. The more over the top it is, the better it is.

 

[Data West]

For sure, which is why I thought it was odd when some fans decided PW had gone beyond the threshold of plot believability when the franchise is so far beyond it.

I pretty much lost all interest in the story when he decides to help some girl that he doesn't know anything about because her name is Peace

 

[Infinite Justice]

Never understood the hate for the over the top stuff, thats what the MGS series is all about (yes even Twin Snakes)

 

[Ridley327]

For sure, which is why I thought it was odd when some fans decided PW had gone beyond some threshold of plot believability when the franchise is so far beyond it.

Well,

Spoiler

finding a way to ruin the Boss while trying to feel bad for a giant robot drowning itself

is pretty goddamn bad in of itself, but then the big twist in act 5 happens and it makes you long for in-combat marriage proposals or giant Metal Gear Ray carriers with Mt. Snakemore on the side.

 

[Freedom = $1.05]

Never understood the hate for the over the top stuff, thats what the MGS series is all about (yes even Twin Snakes)

It's not so much the over the top stuff as games like bayonetta and vanquish are kinda out there and still beloved. It's the self seriousness of it all along with the terrible writing and the length of the cutscenes that makes them unbearable, especially in mgs4. I haven't played PW so I dunno what the deal is there.

 

[Retro_]

It's not so much the over the top stuff as games like bayonetta and vanquish are kinda out there and still beloved. It's the self seriousness of it all along with the terrible writing and the length of the cutscenes that makes them unbearable, especially in mgs4. I haven't played PW so I dunno what the deal is there.

Same shit

Just with a new story that doesn't really go anywhere and a huge cast of characters that don't really do anything

 

[Arklite]

I pretty much lost all interest in the story when he decides to help some girl that he doesn't know anything about because her name is Peace

Also because they were offered an offshore facility and also iirc they had the suspicion that the US was involved which interested Big Boss.

Well,

Spoiler

finding a way to ruin the Boss while trying to feel bad for a giant robot drowning itself

is pretty goddamn bad in of itself, but then the big twist in act 5 happens and it makes you long for in-combat marriage proposals or giant Metal Gear Ray carriers with Mt. Snakemore on the side.

The part you spoiler tagged never bothered me, but I know people hate that. I won't argue against strong feelings towards characters. However, the tie-ins with nuclear deterrence and the creation of what would become the stage for Metal Gear made the story worth playing for me.

 

[Eusis]

Never understood the hate for the over the top stuff, thats what the MGS series is all about (yes even Twin Snakes)

I think part of it is the fact they've TRIED to construct a continuity between games that had nothing planned ahead of time for sequels. Even when a billion hooks are left behind. I really liked MGS1 and 3, and even 2, but 4 was when they made the Jenga tower they constructed completely fall apart. I think if these were more a series of stand alone adventures that kept the craziness it'd be more likeable.

 

[Dr. Acid Avatar]

Looks like Amazon shipped my order but I'll have more than likely wait until the 17th to play it since it's the estimated date of arrival for my order. Skyrim should keep me occupied until then.

 

[Mothman91]

How do I kiss a poster??

 

[Ridley327]

How do I kiss a poster??

IIRC, you simply go into first person while staring at it; it should be a contextual thing where Snake goes up to it when you press the button.

I think this needs to be done outside of the locker.

 

[Lumpy Onion]

Kinda pisses me off that UPS missed my order today. It was listed as arriving on the 9th. Especially sucks because I had the whole day off. Anything that even remotely sounded like a UPS truck made me think it had arrived. Oh well, tomorrow it is.

 

[RedSwirl]

SNAKE EATEEEERRRR!

Man it's been so long since I heard that. I'd also forgotten that the intro section of MGS3 is more cut scene than game.

 

[Ridley327]

SNAKE EATEEEERRRR!

Man it's been so long since I heard that. I'd also forgotten that the intro section of MGS3 is more cut scene than game.

I've never been a big fan of the Virtuous Mission sequence for that reason. It's a tutorial that doesn't really give you a whole lot to do besides watch cutscenes and get introduced to most of the rest of the cast. Thankfully, it improves a thousandfold from there.

 

[kingslunk]

Once I get a break in classes I will be platinuming all 3 of these games. Hurry and get over school .

 

[Data West]

Does difficulty scale between single and co-op on Peace Walker?

 

[Red Blaster]

Is there a way to quit out of Peace Walker back to game select? Don't seem to be able to.

 

[Ridley327]

Does difficulty scale between single and co-op on Peace Walker?

Just for the boss and vehicle battles, and there's some quirks to that as well since the way they handle difficulty scaling for the vehicle battles is really dumb.

 

[Data West]

And second question, the whole 'looting guys'. I know 3 times wakes them up. If I just do it 2 times, do they just get up earlier? And what's to stop me from doing it three times and then slamming them again?

 

[Ridley327]

And second question, the whole 'looting guys'. I know 3 times wakes them up. If I just do it 2 times, do they just get up earlier? And what's to stop me from doing it three times and then slamming them again?

They run out of items after the third time.

 

[burgerdog]

Is there a way to quit out of Peace Walker back to game select? Don't seem to be able to.

That's what happens when Konami handles one of the ports.

 

[Wario64]

That's what happens when Konami handles one of the ports.

lol

Bluepoint putting in quit to main menu was a nice surprise though

 

[Ridley327]

That sucks to hear about Peace Walker not offering that option; that's a really handy thing to have and makes me wonder why no one thought of it before.

 

[secretanchitman]

Anyone's LE ship from Amazon today? Has anyone done an Amazon chat and ask them what is going on?

ordered september 30th, shipped yesterday, came today. ps3 LE for me.

 

[~Kinggi~]

I will be purchasing this piece of content i am sure

 

[Data West]

That's what happens when Konami handles one of the ports.

Doubt it, but maybe it's because the 360 version has Peace Walker on a separate disc and they forgot PS3's was all on one? Who knows.

 

[B.K.]

Doubt it, but maybe it's because the 360 version has Peace Walker on a separate disc and they forgot PS3's was all on one? Who knows.

It's probably because in Japan, Peace Walker is getting its own release as a separate game. They were forced to bundle it with 2 and 3 in America.

 

[burgerdog]

It's probably because in Japan, Peace Walker is getting its own release as a separate game. They were forced to bundle it with 2 and 3 in America.

Who forced them?

Spoiler

Kidding!

 

[Ridley327]

Who forced them?

Sony has policies in place that you aren't allowed to sell PSP remasters on their own outside of Japan. Boxed copies, at least.

EDIT: Damn your edit!

 

[Red Blaster]

Peace Walker is now one of the best coop games available.

 

[ryan-ts]

Metal Gear Solid is like 24. The more over the top it is, the better it is.

I'll assume you prefer the cutscenes in Twin Snakes to the original then. Honestly, it so damn annoying when people say "Oh Solid Snake-san could never jump on a missile, he's just not capable of such a feat" and then go on and on about how much they like the over the top nature of the MGS story. Can't have it both ways people, I refuse!

 

[B.K.]

I'll assume you prefer the cutscenes in Twin Snakes to the original then.

Never played it.

 

[LiK]

Never played it.

good.

 

[ryan-ts]

Never played it.

Oh, thats too bad. I enjoyed playing through it, although I still prefer the original.

 

[Salaadin]

Regarding the "shoot 15 cameras" trophy...does anyone know if Cypher count?

 

[Blue Submarine No. 6]

For sure, which is why I thought it was odd when some fans decided PW had gone beyond the threshold of plot believability when the franchise is so far beyond it.

Geeze... I loved Peace Walker; plot-wise, it's no where near as batshit insane as MGS4, imho... 'course, I love MGS4 too, despite its over-abundance of crazy!

Started playing MGS2 tonight for the first time in years, but I'm too tired... I'll have to leave it until tomorrow and the weekend...

 

[Arklite]

I'll assume you prefer the cutscenes in Twin Snakes to the original then. Honestly, it so damn annoying when people say "Oh Solid Snake-san could never jump on a missile, he's just not capable of such a feat" and then go on and on about how much they like the over the top nature of the MGS story. Can't have it both ways people, I refuse!

Part of the issue lies in character consistency. Look at the new DmC and the new Max Payne character designs and all the complaints they've brought. Same concept, but the issue here concerns Snake's actions rather than design. They deviated from an established persona, fan expectations were not met, people bitched. Happened with Raiden. People expected to play as hardened legendary soldier and got a "pretty boy" with girlfriend issues instead. In Twin Snakes people expected a faithful remake, an upgraded MGS, and then they tweaked something too far.

 

[ryan-ts]

Part of the issue lies in character consistency. Look at the new DmC and the new Max Payne character designs and all the complaints they've brought. Same concept, but the issue here concerns Snake's actions rather than design. They deviated from an established persona, fan expectations were not met, people bitched. Happened with Raiden. People expected to play as hardened legendary soldier and got a "pretty boy" with girlfriend issues instead. In Twin Snakes people expected a faithful remake, an upgraded MGS, and then they tweaked something too far.

I don't buy character consistency as a valid argument when it comes to Snake though. In terms of his personality, he changes himself like every 5 seconds during the course of MGS1. Then in terms of his abilities, he's able to take down the best soldiers in the world, a HIND D!, a tank and finally a laser equipped super machine with the ability to launch a nuke. Kojima likely just forgot to add the missile jumping the first time around.