Microsoft is funding “Take Us North” a game about illegal immigration to the US

Cyberpunkd said:
It's not like the most popular gaming series in existence is not glorifying violence, so I don't get your outrage. Net loss to society is much higher from crime than from few Mexicans crossing the border illegally to get shit job on a California farm. Before you start to get outraged - obligatory mention IRS has no issue taking tax money from illegals.
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There is a case to be made for those games too. If those games were being made with the intent of increasing violence irl, and especially if they were actually having that effect, I would take the same position that it would be preferable if they did not exist.

In this case there is no doubt in my mind that it is the specific intent of the developer to defend and ultimately perpetuate illegal immigration irl. The game exists as a vehicle to push that message, for that purpose. They have a right to make it and it is right that they have a right to make it; it would still be preferable that they did not.

It is right that illegal immigrants are taxed where possible. They should be taxed at 100% and the money should be put toward their swift removal from the country.
 
Crayon said:
I want to know if any Mexican/SA immigrants at this studio.
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There is particular service who could verify that, just incase, so devs got first hand experience, its all for the good of the game, wink wink ;P
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PeteBull said:
Something weird happened to their CEO's, we got solid proof from 2021, so close to 4 years of total brainrot:

Altho on other hand who really knows, it might have already started even earlier if we take into account what xbox/gaming division did for well over a decade and how they ruined perfectly fine business from back in x360 times
Personally i think they either all sold their souls to satan or collectively caught derangement syndrome or every1 in the company got told to watch idiocracy movie and keep behaving like that :D
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WTF did I just watched???
 
I don't have a problem with the premise behind this game, but I am also not particularly interested in playing it unless I hear it's good later on.

Though it's very obvious that people have recently demonized and dehumanized immigrants so much that the overreaction is unsurprising. Just sad.

Yes, folks shouldn't break the law. But there are degrees, not absolutes. Killing someone is not the same as failing to file the proper paperwork. Far from it.
 
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Madonis said:
I don't have a problem with the premise behind this game, but I am also not particularly interested in playing it unless I hear it's good later on.

Though it's very obvious that people have recently demonized and dehumanized immigrants so much that the overreaction is unsurprising. Just sad.

Yes, folks shouldn't break the law. But there are degrees, not absolutes. Killing someone is not the same as failing to file the proper paperwork. Far from it.
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Bro, those arent immigrants, those are illegal migrants, tons of them are criminals before even crossing the border, proper paperwork is needed to know who is crossing the border, if its not some gang member/child predator etc, its basics- u gotta know who is entering ur country.
U would think leftists who think(or pretend) that america is that unlivable shithole wouldnt want to expose foreigners to that, yet deep down they are full on hypocrites coz know full well many other countries are far worse.
Think logically- if US were so awful why would yearly tens of milions of ppl want to illegally cross the border.
That is huge disgrace to legal immigrants btw that have to wait for years for their paperwork to be approved...

Just to give u other data, currently in africa live 1,5b ppl, projected to reach 2,5b by 2050, easily 90-95% would love to leave it and emigrate to the west where they get wellfare/education/job opportunities, but guess what it would mean for Europe- it would turn into Africa itself...
 
viveks86 said:
This is factually incorrect. America had a problem with immigrants every time any group came in droves and put pressure on available resources. Ask the Irish. We don't seemingly have a problem now because they are statistically much smaller. And they get deported just like the others. They just don't get as much press and public attention due to them being < 10%.

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So more than 50% who voted for this are racists? America certainly has a racism problem. But it's not a racist country. Far less racist than most countries in the world. Which is why it is so racially diverse in the first place. Good luck feeling remotely as accepted in more racially homogeneous countries in Europe, Middle East, Africa or Asia. Out of personal experience, I can assure you that even if they might be nice to me, I would always be an outsider, even if I were born there.
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"All numers are rounded" how the hell 725, 425, 825, 775, 375 and 275 are round numbers ?
 
kat_on_the_roof said:
It is a bit scary in here. Im getting a lot of right-wing radical vibes from quite a few people.

Scary times, scary times. :messenger_mr_smith_who_are_you_going_to_call:
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Imagine being German (you're worse than France and Spain when it comes to illegal migration) and still getting triggered by common sense, like, how sanctimonious and pretentious can you get ?

Always the armchair activists man, I swear...
 
PeteBull said:
Just to give u other data, currently in africa live 1,5b ppl, projected to reach 2,5b by 2050, easily 90-95% would love to leave it and emigrate to the west where they get wellfare/education/job opportunities, but guess what it would mean for Europe- it would turn into Africa itself...
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...if Europe is turned into Africa it should at least stop the immigration than. ;) But at what cost...or better for what kind of end result? Its a loose/loose scenario for everyone. :messenger_pensive:
 
kat_on_the_roof said:
It is a bit scary in here. Im getting a lot of right-wing radical vibes from quite a few people.

Scary times, scary times. :messenger_mr_smith_who_are_you_going_to_call:
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Did you forget what forum you're on? GAF is the most political while claiming not to be political site there is. Pretty easy to see that a lot of people here lean a certain way, thus the responses in this thread. The other site is just as bad but at least they admit their affiliation....lol
 
Topher said:
You are not replying to anyone so no way to know what you are talking about. What's so "scary" about what has been posted here?
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Yes i know. I try to avoid drama. Im pretty sure i failed in that regard. :messenger_tears_of_joy:
I thought that if I responded directly to users, nothing good would come of it. I don't want to discuss politics or political views in this forum because I don't really believe this can be discussed effectively with the users concerned. So far, I've seen very little reflection skills.

But somehow I didn't want to say nothing either. That's why I made a general statement.
 
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FalsettoVibe said:
Did you forget what forum you're on? GAF is the most political while claiming not to be political site there is. Pretty easy to see that a lot of people here lean a certain way, thus the responses in this thread. The other site is just as bad but at least they admit their affiliation....lol
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Seems like there's been more and more political discussion recently. If the no politics rule is no longer in place then maybe they should just bring back the politics section to keep that stuff sectioned off.
 
"Microsoft is funding "Take Us North" a game about illegal immigration to the US"

If only there had been some way to know there might be political discussion in this thread, for those who wished to avoid it.

I suppose we could talk about the non-political aspects of this game, which will all exist entirely in service of the political messaging.
 
kat_on_the_roof said:
Yes i know. I try to avoid drama. Im pretty sure i failed in that regard. :messenger_tears_of_joy:
I thought that if I responded directly to users, nothing good would come of it. I don't want to discuss politics or political views in this forum because I don't really believe this can be discussed effectively with the users concerned. So far, I've seen very little reflection skills.

But somehow I didn't want to say nothing either. That's why I made a general statement.
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Ok....I guess. Still don't know what is so scary. Sounds hyperbolic, frankly
 
Topher said:
I ask questions because I don't assume to know the answer. Nothing about that is "gaslighting". You really trying to pick a fight over this?
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Look at reply #1. Look at the gifs of turrets or the Donald Trump terminator chasing dark skinned people AI images. Or about 20 other comments. I just don't believe you're that oblivious, which is me giving you credit actually. Or else you just didn't even read the thread, or you've never once heard any immigration argument other than hard right media. This isn't even discussing changing policy, but just acknowledging their humanity and not reveling in cruelty for fun while trying to get a small, barely existent game canceled.
 
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Topher said:
Ok....I guess. Still don't know what is so scary. Sounds hyperbolic, frankly
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Is happy ending alligators eating humans with a bunch of laughing emojis not raising up any red flags?

I'll be honest, the game seems like nonsense to even make to begin with, but the responses in this thread are pure USA MAGA. From an outsider's point of view, this lack of basic human empathy is indeed quite scary. Psychopaths act like that.
 
FalsettoVibe said:
Did you forget what forum you're on? GAF is the most political while claiming not to be political site there is. Pretty easy to see that a lot of people here lean a certain way, thus the responses in this thread. The other site is just as bad but at least they admit their affiliation....lol
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The other site also grants an instant permaban if you show even a hint of having a different affiliation. Or if it's the same one, but not extreme enough.

I think we should be happy we are allowed to discuss some things here and that making certain jokes or coming close to political discussion isn't dramatically shut down with people involved being kicked out.
 
Punished Miku said:
Look at reply #1. Look at the gifs of turrets or the Donald Trump terminator chasing dark skinned people AI images. Or about 20 other comments. I just don't believe you're that oblivious, which is me giving you credit actually. Or else you just didn't even read the thread, or you've never once heard any immigration argument other than hard right media. This isn't even discussing changing policy, but just acknowledging their humanity and not reveling in cruelty for fun while trying to get a small barely existent game canceled.
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Buggy Loop said:
Is happy ending alligators eating humans with a bunch of laughing emojis not raising up any red flags?

I'll be honest, the game seems like nonsense to even make to begin with, but the responses in this thread are pure USA MAGA. From an outsider's point of view, this lack of basic human empathy is indeed quite scary. Psychopaths act like that.
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If either of these were the reply I'd received then I'd simply respond "fair enough". I look at a lot of those posts and dismiss them as jokes but I guess I shouldn't "assume" others do as well. Again, this is why I ask questions.
 
Topher said:
If either of these were the reply I'd received then I'd simply respond "fair enough". I look at a lot of those posts and dismiss them as jokes but I guess I shouldn't "assume" others do as well. Again, this is why I ask questions.
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Thats fine, and I dont dislike you or anything. Im just done with the game where everyone pretends they have no idea. Everyone knows. W. Bush had "compassionate" anti-immigration stance as the last republican president prior to Trump, which just means he acknowledged they are human beings and have families. Everyone knows. They're just celebrating being as bloodthirsty as possible.
 
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The 'no politics' rule presumably becomes a little trickier when the game itself is inherently political by design, and more broadly when the industry has become more political by design.
 
Topher said:
If either of these were the reply I'd received then I'd simply respond "fair enough". I look at a lot of those posts and dismiss them as jokes but I guess I shouldn't "assume" others do as well. Again, this is why I ask questions.
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Right, I know its a lot of meme'ing but still, eerily reminiscent of circa jan 6th event before Evilore swept Off-topic. This place acting like Asmongold twitch chat is... yea, very different than all those years i've seen since gaming-age 99.
 
A.Romero said:
See the post I replied to above. The poster is clearly saying the game should not exist and that is in fact an intent of censorship.
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No matter what kind of soft label you want to try to assign to it. It's not censorship. You even acknowledge this indirectly with your next sentence:

A.Romero said:
The poster does not hold the power to do it....
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Ergo... it's not censorship. Full stop. The poster is not calling for a boycott or trying to get the project cancelled. They are stating an opinion about its value as a piece of entertainment. Saying, "X should not exist", is no different to gamers saying, "who even asked for this?" when a publisher shows a trailer of a new game in an IP or genre that no-one cares about. It's not an intent of censorship. It's a statement of opinion on the perceived complete lack of value of the thing being presented.

You're strawmanning by jumping to the "censorship" conclusion just to try to pretend you're taking some moral high ground by not criticizing this horseshit. It's transparent.
 
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The entitlement of these people, geez. It's like here's why you should let us all into your country, use your resources, drain systems designed to help you, and you'll feel good about it. And if you don't you're just racist.
Try that shit in any other country. They're leaving out the rape, murder, drug smuggling, dying of dehydration, cartel bracelets, sex slavery, etc.
 
Angry_Megalodon said:
A relative of mine, European, is studying at an university with a soccer grant. His father died one month ago. He couldn't attend his funeral because he would not be let back in the States.

You are absolutely clueless so please FUCK OFF.
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Seriously, it's hard as fuck getting into the States. Military service is often a good way of gaining citizenship.

Same here in Britain, legals pay thousands. It's massively unfair for the law abiding.
 
The whole concept of the game is worthless because it's predicated on a fundamental misconception.

I'm confident the "vision" (if you can even call it that) of the devs was to try to address perceived racism by trying to humanize illegal immigrants by having the player gain perspective on their lived experience of as an illegal immigrant trying to make their way to the US for a better life.

Problem is, opponents of illegal immigration are not opposed to it on the basis of racism. So, the entire concept of the project falls apart. Gamers don't give a shit about the experience of an illegal immigrant, because they're both legally and ethically immoral in their actions by breaking the law to jump the immigration queue.

So, essentially this project only exists because the left don't understand the arguments from the other side, and not because they haven't been well articulated, but because the left insists on remaining in willfull ignorance, strawmanning the other side so that they can feel morally superior.... well... they and their shitty game can fuck off
 
kat_on_the_roof said:
Yes i know. I try to avoid drama. Im pretty sure i failed in that regard. :messenger_tears_of_joy:
I thought that if I responded directly to users, nothing good would come of it. I don't want to discuss politics or political views in this forum because I don't really believe this can be discussed effectively with the users concerned. So far, I've seen very little reflection skills.

But somehow I didn't want to say nothing either. That's why I made a general statement.
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It's really not that hard around here. As a liberal myself, I find Resetera scarier. GAF is mostly just right leaning teddy bears. Their hearts are still in the right place. Obviously there are a few here that seem to think hunting down human beings with crocodiles, masks and lethal weapons is so hilaaaarious… but the rest won't hurt a fly! Finding who to engage with can be tricky at first, but it gets easier with time. An open mind may surprise you with a meaningful exchange of opposing viewpoints
 
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I can't stand narcissistic people. It's a bad look on real celebrities, let alone on a bunch of nobodies. If you read the part below, taken from their kickstarter, it's like they are saving the world and "now more than ever" it's necessary to talk about this. Because, you know, in the whole history of humankind immigration NEVER has been an issue. Nor in any other part of the world. This tragedies are happening only in the US and under the current administration.

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Although we have received some early-stage support to get this far, we need further funding to fully realize our vision and deliver an experience that resonates with our audience and inspires positive social and cultural change.

With rapidly evolving policies and enforcement around immigration, human rights, and border control, the journeys of migrants crossing the US-Mexico border remains a deeply emotional and complex subject. Our work to shine a light on stories and perspectives that are often cast in the shadows is more important than ever.

Joining our movement offers a unique and timely opportunity to engage with one of the most pressing global challenges of our time. All contributions to this project will go directly toward the development of this multidisciplinary project, which we hope will serve as a social and cultural artifact that humanizes migrant stories and promotes healing and justice through art.
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graywolf323 said:
besides, the only reason he probably even cares is because Microsoft is involved, if this were a Sony funded game I wouldn't be shocked if he was singing a different tune
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Not jumping in on the slap fight, but IMO if Sony was funding slop like this the negative response would be even greater because people actually care about PlayStation. Funding a game like this is also very on-brand for MS so it's less shocking.
 
I'm sure they mean well, but it's stupid to walk into a burning room waving a bucket of gasoline. Maybe there was a time for a game like this, but not now, especially with no sign they included Border Agents during their quest for "authenticity".
 
Angry_Megalodon said:
I can't stand narcissistic people. It's a bad look on real celebrities, let alone on a bunch of nobodies. If you read the part below, taken from their kickstarter, it's like they are saving the world and "now more than ever" it's necessary to talk about this. Because, you know, in the whole history of humankind immigration NEVER has been an issue. Nor in any other part of the world. This tragedies are happening only in the US and under the current administration.

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How are you inferring "only in the US" when it literally says immigration is a global issue?

I can't imagine why they'd think this stuff is important in the US right now. /s
 
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