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[JohnnyFootball]

Would this compete with the Playstation 5?

[td]AMD Ryzen 7 5800X 3.8 GHz 8-Core Processor[/td][td]$180.78[/td]
Total: $792.76

I'd go with an AMD GPU/CPU combo and install Bazzite/SteamOS. You can get an AM4 CPU for less than that, but you'd want to spend more on RAM and get 32GB. A 9060XT 16GB is worth the extra.

 

[BlackTron]

Would this compete with the Playstation 5?

[td]AMD Ryzen 7 5800X 3.8 GHz 8-Core Processor[/td][td]$180.78[/td]
Total: $792.76

The GPU is better than PS5 but would struggle to pull off all Pro's tricks, it lands between the two. On the other hand this PC has a much better CPU so might get a performance bump in games that were CPU bound on console.

Also this PC is a bit low on RAM but that wouldn't be a big deal to fix.

 

[Honey Bunny]

I don't know but what I do know is that PS5 comes with controller.

Is the price of a PC controller about the price of PS Plus for a generation? I don't know either.

 

[Shane89]

LOL, it cost same as PRO

 

[Lokaum D+]

Tell me the spec. You have a 800 dollar budget to complete entire PC. Go.

Ryzen 5 5600
B450M
32RAM
1T SSD
RTX 3060TI
Bluetooth adaptar for controllers
Corsair 700w PSU
A $45 Gamesir controller ( If you dont own a PS3,4,5 or any Xbox controller )


*You already own a TV you dont need monitor

** If you ll use as a game PC you can Control everything with your phone, so no need for KB+M.

*** You can start the PC on Steam Big Picture mode and use as a console using only your controller.

Thats It, It ll emulate almost everything, It ll play everything at the same lvl of a PS5 while using DLSS for better IQ, It ll run every older game way better than PS5/Xbox without the need of a nextgen patch and it has Gamepass.

 

[BlackTron]

I don't know but what I do know is that PS5 comes with controller.

This is much more critical for a console that has proprietary controllers that are expensive (and personally, I don't even like it, which is even worse).

PC lets you use any controller you wish including a 20 year old 360 pad. I know we are looking at total cost of the system, but no one is getting into gaming for the first time by making a gaming PC having never owned a controller before, come on.

 

[Three]

Would this compete with the Playstation 5?

[td]AMD Ryzen 7 5800X 3.8 GHz 8-Core Processor[/td][td]$180.78[/td]
Total: $792.76

That 8GB card is shite so no it won't. The 16GB version might.

This is the Ti version of that card:

Nvidia RTX 5060 Ti 8GB struggles due to lack of VRAM — and not just at 4K ultra

Many games now push beyond the reach of 8GB cards.

www.tomshardware.com

 

[Lokaum D+]

That 8GB card is shite so no it won't. The 16GB version might.

While i agree with you that 8gb card are shit, for a PS5 PC they ll be just fine.

 

[Three]

While i agree with you that 8gb card are shit, for a PS5 PC they ll be just fine.

Look at the link I added for the TI version of the card. It's really not because a lot of games suffer from issues for games created for more than 8GB GDDR on PS5/XSX.

 

[MidGenRefresh]

This is much more critical for a console that has proprietary controllers that are expensive (and personally, I don't even like it, which is even worse).

PC lets you use any controller you wish including a 20 year old 360 pad. I know we are looking at total cost of the system, but no one is getting into gaming for the first time by making a gaming PC having never owned a controller before, come on.

Man, don't get me wrong, I'd pick a subpar PC over a console any day of the week. I just want to be fair to console gaming because it's hard to get a PS5 Pro-like experience on PC for the same money. And the controller is a big part of that console-like experience.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Deffo pay the little bit extra and get a 5060 ti 16GB. then you will have a system considerably more powerful than PS5 with DLSS etc.

 

[BlackTron]

Man, don't get me wrong, I'd pick a subpar PC over a console any day of the week. I just want to be fair to console gaming because it's hard to get a PS5 Pro-like experience on PC for the same money. And the controller is a big part of that console-like experience.

I guess I see it like if your PC came with a display or speakers. Yes, it's value. But it may not be the one you want, and you probably already have one, so counting the cost becomes dubious. Since on PC any of them work, just like any mic, desk, chair, etc (lol)

Deffo pay the little bit extra and get a 5060 ti 16GB. then you will have a system considerably more powerful than PS5 with DLSS etc.

5060ti would get you Pro grade performance (with still better CPU).

To tie this together, a PS5 Pro with 3 additional controllers is $1k. If you have a pile of old controllers you could spend the same amount on the (better CPU) PC and then have access to infinite cheap software from day one instead of paying Sony's marketing budget in slow $80 chunks.

Don't get me wrong either. I think PS5 Pro is a good value for what it is, I just don't think the $70 controller is tipping many comparisons in the real world, only on spreadsheets.

 

[Scrawnton]

Console wars are unfortunately the basis of most discussions on this and many other forums. When Dring spoke about a contraction of the console market (which was a flawed prognosis anyway) many team green posters were blaming Sony for their greed in raising prices. Those same posters are not calling out Microsoft in this thread for greed with the most recent Xbox price rise, it's now a tariff problem. It makes discussion on this board pointless when posters are not discussing in good faith. It's also usually possible to tell who the poster of a thread is before looking, based purely on the thread title and who is being either criticised or ridiculed. To call out Sony fans is a bit rich when MS fans are equally engaging in console wars.

But when Sony "won" this badly compared to Xbox, it makes sense for Xbox fans to troll; it's just weird for Sony fans, despite winning by far, to still act petty by console warring.

I mean, where's the off-ramp for Sony fanboys where they just accept the win and... I don't know.. talk about games and stuff?

 

[Lokaum D+]

Look at the link I added for the TI version of the card. It's really not because a lot of games suffer from issues for games created for more than 8GB GDDR on PS5/XSX.

Again, while i agree that 8GB is trash is more than enough for gaming on a budget.

 

[Astray]

Yeah I know TSMC is benefiting from their monopoly but both Sony and MS aren't using cutting edge nodes that cost the most money. PS5/Pro is 6nm, Ada Lovelace was using 4/5nm node in 2022.

Consoles are behind...

How can they use cutting edge nodes and still keep pricing reasonable? Look at how much the price is escalating from one node to the next:


The economics to get what you and I want out of GPUs (both cards and consoles) are basically impossible now. We need a serious TSMC challenger to rise up, that way price competiton is back on the table.

 

[DeltaPolarBear]

But when Sony "won" this badly compared to Xbox, it makes sense for Xbox fans to troll; it's just weird for Sony fans, despite winning by far, to still act petty by console warring.

I mean, where's the off-ramp for Sony fanboys where they just accept the win and... I don't know.. talk about games and stuff?

I still see Xbox customers in denial, so I see it fair that they get shown the reality as often as possible. Yes, they are getting another console. That is not the same thing as "Xbox is back!"

 

[MidGenRefresh]

I guess I see it like if your PC came with a display or speakers. Yes, it's value. But it may not be the one you want, and you probably already have one, so counting the cost becomes dubious. Since on PC any of them work, just like any mic, desk, chair, etc (lol)

Audio and video should always be considered extra costs. Input devices should be part of the device's price. And if we want to compare PC to console like experience, we should always include the cost of the controller. Personally, I'd still prefer a mouse and keyboard anyway, heh.

 

[MidGenRefresh]

Don't get me wrong either. I think PS5 Pro is a good value for what it is, I just don't think the $70 controller is tipping many comparisons in the real world, only on spreadsheets.

Yes, this is true. In the case of a PC, you might end up paying two or three hundred bucks more to start off, but you'll quickly realize you save so much money on software that it doesn't really matter.

 

[BlackTron]

Audio and video should always be considered extra costs. Input devices should be part of the device's price. And if we want to compare PC to console like experience, we should always include the cost of the controller. Personally, I'd still prefer a mouse and keyboard anyway, heh.

I mean you're replying to a post that explained my case for the opposite, and you didn't really make one, but okay lol

 

[Scrawnton]

I still see Xbox customers in denial, so I see it fair that they get shown the reality as often as possible. Yes, they are getting another console. That is not the same thing as "Xbox is back!"

Or you can just... play games?

 

[MidGenRefresh]

I mean you're replying to a post that explained my case for the opposite, and you didn't really make one, but okay lol

Because I was never making a case for picking a console over a PC. I was just curious what kind of PC people can come up with to compete with the PS5 Pro price tag and the experience it offers.

 

[DeltaPolarBear]

Or you can just... play games?

I don't even play console. But I do have a problem with people being brainwashed, and want to help them recover. Also, their recent pretense to being PC gamers did make me mad. Call me crazy, but I don't like it when people lie.

 

[Unknown?]

This entire generation has occurred in the context of massive inflation where everything has gone up a ton in price

Don't worry! We have numbskulls here posting Fred charts showing that your wages actually went up more than inflation!

 

[JohnnyFootball]

The GPU is better than PS5 but would struggle to pull off all Pro's tricks, it lands between the two. On the other hand this PC has a much better CPU so might get a performance bump in games that were CPU bound on console.

Also this PC is a bit low on RAM but that wouldn't be a big deal to fix.

Agreed, I would spend $100 more and get 16 more gigs of RAM and upgrade to a 9060XT 16GB as the bare minumum.

I would spend even more and go with an AM5 7600 and install Bazzite/SteamOS and use it as a console. That would be about $950

 

[JohnnyFootball]

Ryzen 5 5600
B450M
32RAM
1T SSD
RTX 3060TI
Bluetooth adaptar for controllers
Corsair 700w PSU
A $45 Gamesir controller ( If you dont own a PS3,4,5 or any Xbox controller )


*You already own a TV you dont need monitor

** If you ll use as a game PC you can Control everything with your phone, so no need for KB+M.

*** You can start the PC on Steam Big Picture mode and use as a console using only your controller.

Thats It, It ll emulate almost everything, It ll play everything at the same lvl of a PS5 while using DLSS for better IQ, It ll run every older game way better than PS5/Xbox without the need of a nextgen patch and it has Gamepass.

Spend more and get a 9060XT 16GB. There is a massive performance advantage that is worth the extra cost. Not to mention being able to install Bazzite/SteamOS or CachyOS if you still want it to have a desktop feel.

 

[Lokaum D+]

Spend more and get a 9060XT 16GB. There is a massive performance advantage that is worth the extra cost. Not to mention being able to install Bazzite/SteamOS or CachyOS if you still want it to have a desktop feel.

Yeah i know, i was just putting a real budget PC from my mind, but yeah for a few more $ u can make It better.

I would even spend a little more on a B550M for better CPU upgrade.

 

[Bojji]

That PC won't do shit. The PS5 is hyper optimized to work as a single unit. You don't get the same 1:1 performance from random PC parts. At least not at the Dynamic 4K/60 FPS PS5 targets. Never mention the pro.

LOL, "hyper optimized":

In the video you can see MGS3 remake running in 60fps locked - Pro runs it in 50fps or below.

How can they use cutting edge nodes and still keep pricing reasonable? Look at how much the price is escalating from one node to the next:


The economics to get what you and I want out of GPUs (both cards and consoles) are basically impossible now. We need a serious TSMC challenger to rise up, that way price competiton is back on the table.

My point was that they use old node and still increase prices. Something doesn't add up here...

 

[Astray]

LOL, "hyper optimized":

In the video you can see MGS3 remake running in 60fps locked - Pro runs it in 50fps or below.



My point was that they use old node and still increase prices. Something doesn't add up here...

If price increases from Vendor side or due to Tariffs then you have no option but to jack up the price. We don't have insight into how AMD or TSMC is pricing current chips, but I assume they are not going to drop pricing because why would they? They too have employees to pay and stockholders to keep happy!

Keep in mind that Microsoft/Sony/Nintendo bear all the risk of producing/packaging/shipping/storing/distributing the product until the consumer buys a machine, and even then they could be starting from a loss-position!

 

[Three]

Again, while i agree that 8GB is trash is more than enough for gaming on a budget.

I'm not sure what you're showing there. I'm not saying you can't game on a budget I'm saying you will run into issues not seen on XSX and PS5 like the poor 1% lows/stuttering, occasional game crashes and sometimes bad pop-in.

 

[BlackTron]

If we had this inflation in the past, the price would have just stayed the same instead of gone down, thanks to advancing tech. But diminishing returns means the last gen isn't getting that meaningfully cheaper to produce anymore either. I'm guessing that the second-hand prices for PS4 Pro wouldn't even cover the cost to make a new one. It was close to a GTX 1060, which still costs around $150 new.

 

[memoryman3]

I'm not sure what you're showing there. I'm not saying you can't game on a budget I'm saying you will run into issues not seen on XSX and PS5 like the poor 1% lows/stuttering, occasional game crashes and sometimes bad pop-in.

Not really. You may have to reduce texture quality below these consoles though. Series S is often working with 6GB VRAM. The most used modern GPUs have 8GB VRAM and developers have to account for that.

 

[scydrex]

??

You are doing mental gymnastic here with that monitor. You need display for console as well + power + internet etc.



Change that 5500 to 5600 and you have ~800$ PC that is better than Pro in majority of games.

If i were to build new PC would use AM5, better board with WIFI included and a better PSU. Sure AM4 have awesome CPUs for games for example the x3d series but is a dead platform for a new build. If someone has a AM4 build then have a lot of great options to choose and don´t have to change platform but for a new PC? No. The only thing i like in this build is the GPU.

 

[Bojji]

If i were to build new PC would use AM5, better board with WIFI included and a better PSU. Sure AM4 have awesome CPUs for games for example the x3d series but is a dead platform for a new build. If someone has a AM4 build then have a lot of great options to choose and don´t have to change platform but for a new PC? No. The only thing i like in this build is the GPU.

But you have to change entire console as well if you want to upgrade. That Zen 2 in base consoles and in Pro won't be a great performer in next gen games...

You can still change that 5500/5600 to 5700X3D/5800X3D and have ~ Ryzen 7700 performance (without DDR5!).

 

[//DEVIL//]

LOL, "hyper optimized":

In the video you can see MGS3 remake running in 60fps locked - Pro runs it in 50fps or below.



My point was that they use old node and still increase prices. Something doesn't add up here...

its sad a PRO console cant even beat a 5060ti which is the like the bare minimum of any self-respected PC.

Not only that. High settings on PC vs a performance mode on the console.

add to that the locked ecosystem. This to ensure your ass is fucked without any cream for every game you wanna buy... yeah No -_-

 

[Horseganador]

 

[Three]

Not really. You may have to reduce texture quality below these consoles though. Series S is often working with 6GB VRAM. The most used modern GPUs have 8GB VRAM and developers have to account for that.

Yeah, the question was referring to PS5 and I'm talking about PS5/XSX only. You can match and outdo a XSS fine especially if the XSS game only has a 30fps mode like a lot of games do.

The 5060 8GB cards are straight trash:

 

[MidGenRefresh]

If we had this inflation in the past, the price would have just stayed the same instead of gone down, thanks to advancing tech. But diminishing returns means the last gen isn't getting that meaningfully cheaper to produce anymore either. I'm guessing that the second-hand prices for PS4 Pro wouldn't even cover the cost to make a new one. It was close to a GTX 1060, which still costs around $150 new.

I've said it multiple times on this forum: for a casual gamer, the last generation is still perfectly fine. I managed to get a used One X for 67 EUR, and it covers all my console needs while still feeling modern, from the UI to the controller to 4K 60 FPS gaming. It's just super good.

 

[Topher]

Costco....

 

[jzbadblood]

I love the Xbox controller and the UI. It's a great console. But they're cooked. I'm expecting them to bail out any day now.

 

[semiconscious]

I mean when you put tariffs on everything from every country in the world...well thats just what happens and that is within the field of macro economy.

If it it explains the amount of the price hike I can not say, I only now that food prices have increased more than what is explainable through tariffs in the US, meaning retailers and suppliers are filling their pockets and hiding price increases behind the tariffs as well.

yep. iow, 'it's the greed, stupid'...

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

it seemS the $800 PC hit him hard. now he is going to prove the world WRONG!.

 

[reinking]

it seemS the $800 PC hit him hard. now he is going to prove the world WRONG!.

I am a person that plays games on all devices but why does everyone insist PC is the answer for a console player? A lot of console players do not want to play on PC. They just don't. Maybe SteamOS or the new Windows will change that someday but PC gaming is not ready to replace console gaming for CONSOLE gamers. (except for the pissed off Xbox only gamers )

 

[Klayzer]

I am a person that plays games on all devices but why does everyone insist PC is the answer for a console player? A lot of console players do not want to play on PC. They just don't. Maybe SteamOS or the new Windows will change that someday but PC gaming is not ready to replace console gaming for CONSOLE gamers. (except for the pissed off Xbox only gamers )

Isn't it almost always, former Xbox zealots pushing PC adoption now? They seem to love regurgitating memos from corporate headquarters.

 

[scydrex]

But you have to change entire console as well if you want to upgrade. That Zen 2 in base consoles and in Pro won't be a great performer in next gen games...

You can still change that 5500/5600 to 5700X3D/5800X3D and have ~ Ryzen 7700 performance (without DDR5!).

Sure but do you have any other option if you want a console Xbox or PS5? It only comes one hardware or Zen 2.

 

[ThaMonkeyClaw]

I probably laughed way too much at that

All the planets aligned, it was the perfect GIF for the post!

 

[ThaMonkeyClaw]

Only gen where the prices have increased lol.

I know, it is insane...I am kind of worried on the price of the PS6, etc. if the tariff situation hasn't been corrected by that time.

 

[OLED_Gamer]

I am a person that plays games on all devices but why does everyone insist PC is the answer for a console player? A lot of console players do not want to play on PC. They just don't. Maybe SteamOS or the new Windows will change that someday but PC gaming is not ready to replace console gaming for CONSOLE gamers. (except for the pissed off Xbox only gamers )

I play on both. PC has it own problems. Example: I was playing Witcher 3 recently, got to the final boss right, and my final blow not only finished the fight, but crashed the game. Had to restart the fight all over again paranoid of another crash.

 

[gerth666]

Isn't it almost always, former Xbox zealots pushing PC adoption now? They seem to love regurgitating memos from corporate headquarters.

I have to chuckle at the usual suspects turning a thread about Microsoft raising prices into a discussion about building PCs to beat a ps5.
It's an obsession with them

 

[MisterXDTV]

I have to chuckle at the usual suspects turning a thread about Microsoft raising prices into a discussion about building PCs to beat a ps5.
It's an obsession with them

You can make a thread about weather and they will find a way to tell you that

PC = Sun

Playstation = Rain

They just don't accept that console players don't give a fuck about PC gaming today, like in the 30 previous years

 

[stn]

Nobody is going to buy the console, it peaked a long time ago. And now that basically all of the main exclusives are coming to PS5, there is zero incentive to invest in the console now as a new owner.