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[Jigsaah]

Of course it's misleading. They've got you thinking you can play your Xbox Series and Xbox One library on this thing.

I really don't have an Xbox Series library. My Xbox Series library is basically my Xbox One library. I was on PC 2 years before it came out and...one thing led to another and now I'm pretty much 100% PC. I was kinda hoping I would get to play my Play Anywhere titles. I mean I understand this thing is a PC. It's not an Xbox creation alone. But when they say all your games...I guess I was more meaning all the games I can access now on PC. Would be cool if they made a big effort in adding a lot more to play anywhere. Kinda like they did when it came to backwards compatibility.

 

[MacReady13]

It's funny how the secret brag about this unit is that it can play Playstation games, yet it can't play all of the games from the Series X/S...

 

[GHG]

I really don't have an Xbox Series library. I was on PC 2 years before it came out and...one thing led to another and now I'm pretty much 100% PC. I was kinda hoping I would get to play my Play Anywhere titles. I mean I understand this thing is a PC. It's not an Xbox creation alone. But when they say all your games...I guess I was more meaning all the games I can access now on PC. Would be cool if they made a big effort in adding a lot more to play anywhere. Kinda like they did when it came to backwards compatibility.

As it currently stands you'll just get your play anywhere titles. But here's the thing, you can buy any PC right now (and any time in the past after they started the play anywhere initiative) and get access to your play anywhere titles via your PC.



Poor Klobrille out here doing free PR and comms for them.

 

[adamsapple]

As it currently stands you'll just get your play anywhere titles. But here's the thing, you can buy any PC right now (and any time in the past after they started the play anywhere initiative) and get access to your play anywhere titles via your PC.

Right, but this thought process invalidates pretty much every portable PC, including Steam Deck.

 

[Skifi28]

Right, but this thought process invalidates pretty much every portable PC, including Steam Deck.

Why? Portables PCs are not being marketed as "play your xbox or playstation games or whatever". They are marketed as play your PC games, on the go, which they do. Xbox dipping their fingers on a PC has made it much more confusing than it has to be.

 

[GHG]

Right, but this thought process invalidates pretty much every portable PC, including Steam Deck.

I don't understand what you mean here.

How does stating the fact that from a game library perspective this is identical to any other windows PC/handheld invalidate anything?

 

[Kilau]

I don't understand what you mean here.

How does stating the fact that from a game library perspective this is identical to any other windows PC/handheld invalidate anything?

This one has a sticker.

 

[Venom Snake]

Wouldn't it be cheaper if Microsoft just sold stickers of the logo so any Xbox fan could put that special branding flavor on anything that isn't a real Xbox?

"Make an Xbox whatever you want and skip all the misleading PR/messages you see on the internet, create your own narrative that will allow you to sleep at night!"

 

[adamsapple]

I don't understand what you mean here.

How does stating the fact that from a game library perspective this is identical to any other windows PC/handheld invalidate anything?

Wasn't your point that there's no need for this Play Anywhere device as you can do that on PC's for years? If not then I misunderstood.

But if it was then by the same process, any windows portables that have come out are equally as redundant.

 

[GHG]

Wouldn't it be cheaper if Microsoft just sold stickers of the logo so any Xbox fan could put that special branding flavor on anything that isn't a real Xbox?

"Make an Xbox whatever you want and skip all the misleading PR/messages you see on the internet, create your own narrative that will allow you to sleep at night!"

This Is An Xbox Sticker Sheet

This is not an Xbox. It is a sticker sheet.

gear.xbox.com

They should charge more for these IMO. Missing out on easy margins.

 

[DeepEnigma]

This Is An Xbox Sticker Sheet

This is not an Xbox. It is a sticker sheet.

gear.xbox.com

They should charge more for these IMO. Missing out on easy margins.

So they hand out stickers to the evangelized.

We have come full circle to this meme.

 

[Senua]

 

[GHG]

Wasn't your point that there's no need for this Play Anywhere device as you can do that on PC's for years? If not then I misunderstood.

But if it was then by the same process, any windows portables that have come out are equally as redundant.

No. My point is simply that other than the OS integration (which remains to be seen as to how effective it will be and will soon be made widely available) there is no difference between this and your bog standard windows gaming device.

Which is why it makes zero sense that anyone would go gaga over this unless in all of the marketing confusion and mixed messaging they've misunderstood what this device actually is.

 

[nani17]

So PlayStation gets Xbox games, and Xbox gets PlayStation games, but only if you buy a handheld..

..

"Play games anywhere". How do I continue my copy of God of War on my Xbox Series X

 

[Fess]

I want it and that's a win for MS since I never wanted a regular ROG Ally.

But they need to stop calling it an Xbox!

It won't run any of our real Xbox games, neither discs nor digital.
It'll just run the PC ports.
That makes it a handheld PC. Not a handheld Xbox like MS and the shills pretend that it is.

 

[lastmessiah]

Yeah it is a PC with Xbox branding. And a Playstation is a PC with Sony branding. And a Switch is a PC with Nintendo branding.

This isn't the N64 and PS1/2 days. Everything is just an x86 platform. And it is getting harder for console zealots to deny, as we see in this thread.

 

[Ebrietas]

Yeah it is a PC with Xbox branding. And a Playstation is a PC with Sony branding. And a Switch is a PC with Nintendo branding.

This isn't the N64 and PS1/2 days. Everything is just an x86 platform. And it is getting harder for console zealots to deny, as we see in this thread.

First it was "everything is xbox", now it's "everything is a PC".

 

[Venom Snake]

So they hand out stickers to the evangelized.

We have come full circle to this meme.

I mean, imagine the benefits this brings to your everyday life, if your favorite brand doesn't give you an advantage in heated online discussions, take a sticker and stick it on something you use more often, like the nearest library, your swimming pool pass found in something you haven't worn for a long time, that strange little fork that you don't know what it was for or your Sony-Pony neighbor's mom's hot bouncy ass if you are a really brave little warrior.

 

[Jigsaah]

As it currently stands you'll just get your play anywhere titles. But here's the thing, you can buy any PC right now (and any time in the past after they started the play anywhere initiative) and get access to your play anywhere titles via your PC.



Poor Klobrille out here doing free PR and comms for them.

Does that also count for say like a Steam deck, or even the current ROG Ally? Like do I get to play my gamepass games on those?

If they do play it, is it intuitive? Or is it some jerry rigged workaround I gotta do to get that on there?

What I'm looking for is a handheld that has access to all my pc games and I don't have to go through any fuss to access them all. I want the portability, the access and ease of use.

 

[Topher]

Yeah it is a PC with Xbox branding. And a Playstation is a PC with Sony branding. And a Switch is a PC with Nintendo branding.

This isn't the N64 and PS1/2 days. Everything is just an x86 platform. And it is getting harder for console zealots to deny, as we see in this thread.

x86 isn't what dictates if something is a PC. PCs can be ARM based. Either way, PlayStation, Xbox and Switch consoles are not PCs. Those are closed ecosystems. PCs are open platforms. That in itself makes for a massive difference.

 

[GHG]

Does that also count for say like a Steam deck, or even the current ROG Ally? Like do I get to play my gamepass games on those?

If they do play it, is it intuitive? Or is it some jerry rigged workaround I gotta do to get that on there?

What I'm looking for is a handheld that has access to all my pc games and I don't have to go through any fuss to access them all. I want the portability, the access and ease of use.

I don't think you quite realise what's actually going on here:

Full-screen Xbox handheld UI is coming to all Windows PCs “starting next year”

Microsoft has been experimenting with “handheld mode” for Windows 11 since 2022.

arstechnica.com

 

[lastmessiah]

x86 isn't what dictates if something is a PC. PCs can be ARM based. Either way, PlayStation, Xbox and Switch consoles are not PCs. Those are closed ecosystems. PCs are open platforms. That in itself makes for a massive difference.

I didn't say x86 is what makes a PC. I said that all consoles are x86, like most PCs that game.

PlayStation, Xbox and Switch are absolutely PCs. You are just dead wrong. A "closed ecosystem" is a completely artificial and arbitrary corporate layer on top of the PC. It would be like if I installed an idiot-proof thin client on some office workstation and declared "this is not a PC!"

 

[Jigsaah]

I don't think you quite realise what's actually going on here:

Full-screen Xbox handheld UI is coming to all Windows PCs “starting next year”

Microsoft has been experimenting with “handheld mode” for Windows 11 since 2022.

arstechnica.com

"ROG Xbox Ally first, Microsoft told The Verge that the interface would come to other Ally handhelds next and that something "similar" would be "rolling out to other Windows handhelds starting next year."

I mean this sounds like a good thing overall though, no? Sounds like they are streamlining Windows for gaming. That's another thing PC folks have been asking for. Less bloat, more game.

I'm not getting your point.

 

[GHG]

I didn't say x86 is what makes a PC. I said that all consoles are x86, like most PCs that game.

PlayStation, Xbox and Switch are absolutely PCs. You are just dead wrong. A "closed ecosystem" is a completely artificial and arbitrary corporate layer on top of the PC. It would be like if I installed an idiot-proof thin client on some office workstation and declared "this is not a PC!"

 

[Topher]

I didn't say x86 is what makes a PC. I said that all consoles are x86, like most PCs that game.

PlayStation, Xbox and Switch are absolutely PCs. You are just dead wrong. A "closed ecosystem" is a completely artificial and arbitrary corporate layer on top of the PC. It would be like if I installed an idiot-proof thin client on some office workstation and declared "this is not a PC!"

Ok....then x86 is irrelevant. So how am I wrong? That "corporate layer" factually makes it so you can only play "corporate" approved games and programs. Can I install whatever OS I want on that corporate protected "PC"? Nope. Not a PC then.

 

[GHG]

"ROG Xbox Ally first, Microsoft told The Verge that the interface would come to other Ally handhelds next and that something "similar" would be "rolling out to other Windows handhelds starting next year."

I mean this sounds like a good thing overall though, no? Sounds like they are streamlining Windows for gaming. That's another thing PC folks have been asking for. Less bloat, more game.

I'm not getting your point.

See post #413.

 

[lastmessiah]

Well, why wouldn't they? What is your point?

 

[Bernardougf]

LoL

The "Wow finally I can play xbox pc games on the go" in this thread are hilarious .. really...

"I never wanted the Rog Ally.. but now ? Holy shitttballs I want one"

Lol

 

[Det]

Xbox fanboys always have this authoritarian behavior, wanting to suppress negative facts about the Xbox.

Always trying to suppress any negative fact about the Xbox on the internet

I remember Dusk Golem lying about Resident Evil on the PS5 that it would be in 1080p but native 4k without problems on the Xbox; all this so that people would stop talking about Craig the Monkey in Halo Infinite

Now they're here with a bunch of meaningless blah blah blah to disguise the fact that it's just a portable PC with an "Xbox" sticker

They want to talk about everything, except for people to mention the consensual fact that it's just a portable PC with Windows and an "Xbox" button to lie that it's an Xbox and the Xbox didn't go bankrupt.

Soon MS will stop manufacturing the Xbox after increasing the price, and Xbox fans will try to say that this, a portable PC with an "Xbox" sticker, is proof that the Xbox still exists and hasn't been discontinued

The Xbox is over, now MS is going to call the Skin for Windows games "xbox" and that's it, it's over. Xbox went bankrupt and lost, it's over.

 

[GHG]

Well, why wouldn't they? What is your point?

The point is that just because they are, it doesn't suddenly mean you get to redefine what is or isn't a PC in order to make yourself feel better about what's going on.

 

[lastmessiah]

Ok....then x86 is irrelevant. So how am I wrong? That "corporate layer" factually makes it so you can only play "corporate" approved games and programs. Can I install whatever OS I want on that corporate protected "PC"? Nope. Not a PC then.

You just don't understand how computers work. It's ok.

 

[Topher]

You just don't understand how computers work. It's ok.

I've been in the IT industry for 25+ years my man.

 

[lastmessiah]

The point is that just because they are, it doesn't suddenly mean you get to redefine what is or isn't a PC in order to make yourself feel better about what's going on.

You are the one trying to define what a PC is.

 

[BlackTron]

Yeah it is a PC with Xbox branding. And a Playstation is a PC with Sony branding. And a Switch is a PC with Nintendo branding.

This isn't the N64 and PS1/2 days. Everything is just an x86 platform. And it is getting harder for console zealots to deny, as we see in this thread.

This is a total false equivalence. Like if Apple came out with a new iPhone, that did not have access to the App Store. Because it uses the same architecture as the last iPhone.

No no no. An iPhone has access to Apple App Store. THAT is what an iPhone is! If it's just a phone with access to Google Play. It's not an iPhone anymore! Just an Android device made by Apple, with an iPhone stamp!

So if this handheld doesn't play the Xbox library of games. Just the games in the Xbox library that so happened to be in those other libraries, like Steam...it's not really an Xbox! It's just a PC, with an Xbox stamp!

 

[lastmessiah]

I've been in the IT industry for 25+ years my man.

Well then you should know better.

 

[Bernardougf]

I've been in the IT industry for 25+ years my man.

That plus sign there counts at least for another 25.. cmon we all know it.

 

[GHG]

You just don't understand how computers work. It's ok.

A "computer" has a much broader meaning than what "PC" does.

All consoles are computers = correct.

All consoles are PC's = incorrect.

 

[Topher]

Well then you should know better.

 

[Bernardougf]

Yeah it is a PC with Xbox branding. And a Playstation is a PC with Sony branding. And a Switch is a PC with Nintendo branding.

This isn't the N64 and PS1/2 days. Everything is just an x86 platform. And it is getting harder for console zealots to deny, as we see in this thread.

LoL ... this thread is a gold mine

 

[Topher]

That plus sign there counts at least for another 25.. cmon we all know it.

Let's just say writing code on stone tablets is a hard habit to break

 

[Jigsaah]

See post #413.

So it basically comes down to whether or not you like the new OS changes if I'm getting your point correct.

I dunno I see a bit more than just that. For one, the ergonomics of an Xbox Controller...which IMO is the best controller (for some games, I prefer DS4 or Dual Sense for Fighting games, Xbox for shooters/ARPGs if I'm not on M&KB). Its the main complaint I had with the Switch.

Secondly, the tilted screen for better ease of use.

Third, the new AMD tech. Z2 whatever. Sure it will come to other devices...but I'm interested in all of this.

Fourth, it would be nice if my PC's UI and my handhelds UI were similar. So I hope they do improve it for both my PC and whatever handheld I end up buiying.

I think people are simplifying things a bit much and downplaying some of these features and maybe it's because those features don't matter to them or they are vehemently against anything windows or xbox.

I'm just not one of those people. If it feels good, plays good, I'm all for it. Doesn't matter where it comes from.

 

[lastmessiah]

A "computer" has a much broader meaning than what "PC" does.

All consoles are computers = correct.

All consoles are PC's = incorrect.

So a personal computer is not a computer? What?

 

[Topher]

Microsoft......what have you done to people?

 

[GHG]

So a personal computer is not a computer? What?

And you want to accuse other people of not understanding how computers work along with their various definitions.

 

[Skifi28]

This gets more fun with every new page.

Microsoft......what have you done to people?

You're just mad you're old and know nothing about computers.

 

[Topher]

You're just mad you're old and know nothing about computers.

I'm on hold with Microsoft. They are helping me figure out how to turn on my abacus.

 

[GHG]

So it basically comes down to whether or not you like the new OS changes if I'm getting your point correct.

I dunno I see a bit more than just that. For one, the ergonomics of an Xbox Controller...which IMO is the best controller (for some games, I prefer DS4 or Dual Sense for Fighting games, Xbox for shooters/ARPGs if I'm not on M&KB). Its the main complaint I had with the Switch.

Secondly, the tilted screen for better ease of use.

Third, the new AMD tech. Z2 whatever. Sure it will come to other devices...but I'm interested in all of this.

Fourth, it would be nice if my PC's UI and my handhelds UI were similar. So I hope they do improve it for both my PC and whatever handheld I end up buiying.

I think people are simplifying things a bit much and downplaying some of these features and maybe it's because those features don't matter to them or they are vehemently against anything windows or xbox.

I'm just not one of those people. If it feels good, plays good, I'm all for it. Doesn't matter where it comes from.

Initially you talked about games libraries, but now that you've been corrected on that and it's been established that that's going to be itentical to what you can already get (and already have on your existing PC) you suddenly want to talk about all these other reasons why you want the device? Other than the processor which will also be coming to other devices all 4 of the things you listed have already been solved by other devices already on the market and ergonomics are hugely subjective.

P.S. Trying to tell people that have been gaming on windows PC's ~10x longer than you that they are "vehemently against" windows or a device that is quite literally a windows PC isn't it. It's easier to say you simply want something because you're entrenched in the Xbox brand/ecosystem rather than to believe the device is something it's not. First and foremost this is still an Asus device, the armoury crate button is still there for goodness sake.

 

[adamsapple]

To be fair, we've moved a bit beyond your prime days when they used abacuses.

 

[Topher]

To be fair, we've moved a bit beyond your prime days when they used abacuses.

I'm on hold with Microsoft. They are helping me figure out how to turn on my abacus.

 

[nowhat]

IMO, Microsoft would have been much better off putting their non-console branding behind Game Pass and not Xbox.

I could totally see that. "ROG GP". Or like a hypothetical "Alienware GP". Anything GP. It would be miles better than the S/X confusion that they've done now, twice. (I mean, if your target audience is the English-speaking crowd, those two are so easily mistaken that I don't know what Microsoft's marketing department is smoking, but I want some)