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[MasterCornholio]

Judging by all the non-constructive trolling, it wouldn't be surprising that those deleted "reviews" are all spam and drive-by garbage. And there's still plenty left lol.

The paid reviews?

 

[Banjo64]

You haven't read my last part you quoted, haven't you?
I can also rate games I never played or bought just in the shop. So you only need and Ms account to review anything. (I just tested it a few seconds ago)

If you’re insinuating what I think you’re insinuating, then it’s clear some are really descending in to insanity in their defence of Xbox.

If not, sorry for my comment.

 

[graywolf323]

I wrote a 2 star review two days ago, certainly not low effort as it took all 500 available characters, no swearing, no mention of, shall we say, “other” racing games…

It’s completely gone today, like it never existed. There’s definitely some fuckery going on.

Judging by all the non-constructive trolling, it wouldn't be surprising that those deleted "reviews" are all spam and drive-by garbage. And there's still plenty left lol.

I mean you would be an expert in drive-by garbage but it sure doesn’t seem to me that Nydius’ review fits that

 

[gothmog]

So...

What happened to Forza? It was a guaranteed 9/10 but from the impressions I'm seeing there's a huge fall from grace. Anyone care to summarize?

If I had to guess they were allowed a delay but with a set deadline. They had to cut corners to get to that deadline and we're seeing the results of that corner cutting.

I hope it's that because otherwise it is other elements of Microsoft management thinking it is okay to release early MVP versions at launch.

 

[FrankWza]

Lighting issues
- Severe downgrades since announcement
- Lackluster performance
- Omission of content
- Lies told by the dev
- 6 year old models and textures in a game that was "Built from the ground up"

There's more, but youll have to read it for yourself.

TL;DR : Its a shitshow

I think one key point is that a big deal was made that xbox was leaving last gen behind and focusing on current and that was going to be a big advantage over the competition. Especially when it was announced that GT7 was going to be cross-gen.

 

[Rac3r]

If I had to guess they were allowed a delay but with a set deadline. They had to cut corners to get to that deadline and we're seeing the results of that corner cutting.

I hope it's that because otherwise it is other elements of Microsoft management thinking it is okay to release early MVP versions at launch.

Either way is bad. Why the need to rush the game out and cut corners, when there's no direct competition to Forza that's releasing this holiday season? Because they're clearly prioritizing Game Pass over shipping a well made game. The deadline they set was probably unrealistic for the team, but all they care about is getting the game out so people stay subscribed.

 

[Dorfdad]

At this point just remove user reviews altogether. Let’s the developers post reviews before the game releases so we have a fair and objective review process

 

[DJ12]

At this point just remove user reviews altogether. Let’s the developers post reviews before the game releases so we have a fair and objective review process

better to remove the game and release it again when it isn't a bag of shit

 

[Unknown?]

Ok then that's just fucking low. VERY low.

I always supported the Microsoft brand since the OG Xbox (im a Burger King/ Pepsi/ Sega man, so I always went with the underdog).
But I never thought they would stoop THIS low.....

This will bite them in the ass in the end. Wow.

Microsoft is not an underdog, my friend!

 

[Unknown?]

At this point just remove user reviews altogether. Let’s the developers post reviews before the game releases so we have a fair and objective review process

Yes only authorized, mandated reviews that the developers themselves approve of and tell you to believe rather than your own eyes. Very 1984!

 

[Heisenberg007]

Yes only authorized, mandated reviews that the developers themselves approve of and tell you to believe rather than your own eyes. Very 1984!

 

[poppabk]

No-one but crazy people write reviews on the windows store.
Forza Horizon 5 - 30% 1 star
Flight Sim - 37% 1 star
There us no point in manipulating the reviews because no-one but crazy people write them and no-one but crazy people read them.

 

[Crayon]

idk if the game was neccesarily rushed. The bar may have been kinda low. This would be far from the first game that was gaas and released in a sort of premature state. From our perspective it's all busted but from theirs it's out the door and immediatley switched to a monetized post-release support. They'll even weather the bad initial reviews. Trying to manipulate and obfuscate those reviews (at least in such a forceful manner) is not excused by that, though. Shady shit from ms reliably gets whitewashed, though. The can get caught in a lot that other companies would have more trouble living down.

 

[poppabk]

idk if the game was neccesarily rushed. The bar may have been kinda low. This would be far from the first game that was gaas and released in a sort of premature state. From our perspective it's all busted but from theirs it's out the door and immediatley switched to a monetized post-release support. They'll even weather the bad initial reviews. Trying to manipulate and obfuscate those reviews (at least in such a forceful manner) is not excused by that, though. Shady shit from ms reliably gets whitewashed, though. The can get caught in a lot that other companies would have more trouble living down.

You really think if they were manipulating reviews they would leave it with 46% 1 star reviews? Whatever these reviews were removed for they weren't for manipulating the score.

 

[Crayon]

You really think if they were manipulating reviews they would leave it with 46% 1 star reviews? Whatever these reviews were removed for they weren't for manipulating the score.

Hey maybe I'm jumping the gun and some good reason will emerge. That would be a little egg on my face, but point would stand since it's inherently about a history of bullshit.

 

[Edmund]

SenjutsuSage and adamsapple

I don't think your review for this game will get deleted. Don't worry boys.

 

[M1chl]

It's totally INSANE to me that this game is at a 51% in both Steam reviews and Xbox\PC App reviews. I'm sure MS had internal reviews of this game months ago. What happened?

Maybe I have different region than you, but my Xbox Marketplace (on Xbox) is showing 2.3 LMAO, worse than new The Crew

TIME OF CORRIDOR RACERS IS OVER

 

[Švejk]

Sounds like a typical Ameican company procedure.

 

[Bkdk]

MS gotta be getting desperate now. Redfall, starfield and now forza, none of these games are hitting where MS wants reception wise. Game pass subscription growth will absolutely not hit their target.

 

[Raonak]

Negative reviews was a bug.

 

[nial]

Yet again they were very selective about who they gave review copies to.

A 6-Year Hiatus for This? I’m Going Back to FM7

What is it with modern “reboots” for franchises being lackluster?! Just to start off: there are only 21 championships (each with 4-6 races) sprawling only 20 track locations, utilizing 500 cars. I’ve already beaten the “career” of these 21 championships in only 3 and 1/2 days of playing. This...

forums.forza.net

This would be a “rental” title, if Blockbuster was still around and you wouldn’t even keep it long enough to get a late fee.

This part is funny to me because the game is literally e-rental slop, so not too different.

 

[Mercador]

Is it that bad? I haven't tried it yet but plan to do this weekend.

 

[djjinx2]

Is it that bad? I haven't tried it yet but plan to do this weekend.

It's great, I have played Campaign and Online, graphics, handling and sense of speed are all really good (Series X player if that matters?)

 

[Turk1993]

Turn 10 right now

 

[BusierDonkey]

I don't know why they're wasting time deleting that shit when they have a game to finish.

 

[The Pleasure]

I never trust review platforms from the source. Maybe amazon but thats it. Always use a 3rd party and honestly GAF is the best review source for videogames on the internet.

My grandpa got this chair and he died on it. Good chair. Nice lumbar support.
Amazon review.

 

[Flutta]

MS gotta be getting desperate now. Redfall, starfield and now forza, none of these games are hitting where MS wants reception wise. Game pass subscription growth will absolutely not hit their target.

Don’t worry a $70b COD will save GP and the Xbox brand…

 

[MikeM]

So oddly enough my jump today from a 5600 to a 7600x brought my benchmark fps from 70 to 96. Pretty significant jump and on game the gameplay is far smoother.

Game still crashes out at the post-race summary lol

 

[digoutyoursoul]

MS gotta be getting desperate now. Redfall, starfield and now forza, none of these games are hitting where MS wants reception wise. Game pass subscription growth will absolutely not hit their target.

Then get better management in. A set up that has the content do the taking rather than the executives. That would be a start.

It’s not going to work if a subscription service has influence on the product particularly those that have done well or better without such a thing in the past.

If the numbers are not growing substantially and digital/physical sales are not improving along with hardware sales to a degree that is needed, how are future games going to be budgeted?

 

[TheGrat1]

KingThrash did a video on this a couple of months ago:


Starts going through reviews @ 6:00. Some people mention their reviews being deleted.

 

[20cent]

ouch

 

[skit_data]

Are the reviews between the consoles and PC shared? I.e does bad reviews on the PC store show up in the console reviews? Considering the game seem to have some issues in the PC version I could see the score make kinda sense if that's indeed the case

 

[Dorfdad]

To be honest I don’t really care. I played some of it and it’s ok. I get that it’s a sim racer and I’m not a big fan of these but I think Forza Horizon 5 was something special.

 

[Heisenberg007]

No-one but crazy people write reviews on the windows store.
Forza Horizon 5 - 30% 1 star
Flight Sim - 37% 1 star
There us no point in manipulating the reviews because no-one but crazy people write them and no-one but crazy people read them.

Why would paying customers manipulate reviews?

 

[MonkeyClaw36]

More insults. Just when I thought you might be one of the good ones. I'll try to keep this on topic.

So these flaws seem representative of things that could be fixed in later patches. Another unfinished game. Damn shame.

I blame gamepass honestly. I think having games on gamepass means highly anticipated games can release finished just enough to keep people on the hook until they improve it. I imagine Xbox feels safe with this.

Its not an insult. Its a fact. So much for helping someone. Stupid ass snowflake.

 

[jayj]

I have to say, it's crazy how aggressive they have been when it comes to trying to stifle discontent over this game. I have definitely seen suppressed and deleted reviews, blatant shilling, and measures such as not counting or displaying how many likes a review has received.

 

[Jigsaah]

Its not an insult. Its a fact. So much for helping someone. Stupid ass snowflake.

Is it though? We'll I'll let you know another fact. I was at work while posting my original question. I'm also up now, working. Take a look at the timestamp of when I posted this message. Trust me, I'm anything but lazy. What's more accurate is that I was optimizing my time by using resources available to me to gather seemingly mundane information that losers like you are too pompous to give common courtesy to simply answer instead trying to get your latest sideways ass remark in. Adding to this, you assume your opinion is fact...which tells me all I need to know about you. Snowflake? You're too unimportant for me to have any feeling about you. That's why I tried to keep the conversation moving....however you just couldn't let it go. Who's the real snowflake? You got triggered because I asked a question instead of perusing "4 different threads" to find my answer. Come on bro.

 

[AllyITA]

i didn't follow the game much, but launching a "simracing" game like forza without the nordschleife is ridiculous.

 

[djjinx2]

i didn't follow the game much, but launching a "simracing" game like forza without the nordschleife is ridiculous.

If they are redoing it you can imagine it would take a very long time to get near perfect.

 

[AllyITA]

If they are redoing it you can imagine it would take a very long time to get near perfect.

this is not a indie developer with 10 people.. it is microsoft.. they took what, 6 years to make the game? build the damn track.. or at least bring over the old version untill the new one is ready.

 

[GHG]

I have to say, it's crazy how aggressive they have been when it comes to trying to stifle discontent over this game. I have definitely seen suppressed and deleted reviews, blatant shilling, and measures such as not counting or displaying how many likes a review has received.

There's a civil war breaking out on the subreddit because of this.

 

[Giallo Corsa]

Microsoft, the gift that keeps on giving.
They just can't help themselves, thing is, this is all self inflicted.

No need to result to such tactics if :
- You manage your sub companies/studios properly.

- You don't overhype and (try to) oversell a product.

- You don't put all your faith (and marketing) in the hands of astroturfers, shills and various other company men® trying to overhype said product X years in the making.

Apparently, it's hard stuff for MS to adhere to specific standards so here we are.

Promises, promises, promises, BS PR , overhype, shilling ad infinitum and always staying behind the competition, and yet, the immense zealotry of the vast majority of its fans that will jump to defend everything is just...not only toxic but comedic at the same time.

 

[poppabk]

Why would paying customers manipulate reviews?

No I mean there is no need for MS to manipulate the reviews because no-one gives a shit about them, they are full of cranks and wierdos.

 

[orimagdos]

They are deleting posts cause the vast majority of them are copy and paste from others. There are like 149484 forza vs gt topics out there.

Most of those who post them are probably bots.

 

[Heisenberg007]

No I mean there is no need for MS to manipulate the reviews because no-one gives a shit about them, they are full of cranks and wierdos.

There is of course a huge financial incentive for Microsoft to positively manipulate reviews.

But there is no incentive for a paying customer to negativelly manipulate reviews.

 

[poppabk]

There is of course a huge financial incentive for Microsoft to positively manipulate reviews.

But there is no incentive for a paying customer to negativelly manipulate reviews.

Not for the windows store - changing the metacritic yeah they would love to change that but the windows store I doubt that ever impacted anyone's purchase decision.
I don't think paying customers are manipulating reviews - it's just that mainly weirdos bother leaving a windows store review it's just yelling in to the wind.

 

[John Wick]

It's a decent game. I'm enjoying it so far. Plays well on console. Looks like we need a backlash to reverse the progression and grinding. For the average Joe it's a great game. Graphics are great and it's smooth.
Can't believe they've took 6 years. And I thought PD were slow.

 

[Heisenberg007]

It's a decent game. I'm enjoying it so far. Plays well on console. Looks like we need a backlash to reverse the progression and grinding. For the average Joe it's a great game. Graphics are great and it's smooth.
Can't believe they've took 6 years. And I thought PD were slow.

I'd never understand why these racing sequels take 5-6 years. Both Turn10 and PD are impossibly slow with these games.

 

[adamsapple]

I'd never understand why these racing sequels take 5-6 years. Both Turn10 and PD are impossibly slow with these games.

Taking flights across the world and mapping each track inch by inch takes a long time

 

[jayj]

There's definitely some paid shills posting 10/10's on Metacritic. I have seen loads of near-identical usernames posting near-identical "reviews," often very short, generic, and overly positive. It's so obvious it's comical.