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MLB - 2015 Baseball Hall of Fame Class Inductees
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Original Famous Ray
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Piazza should be in dammit! Who the hell didn't vote for Pedro? 91%? LOL
TarpitCarnivore
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Biggio deserves it
As for why someone wouldn't vote for Johnson: The logic by many writers is that they know Johnson or Pedro will get enough votes for induction. So they'd rather put that vote towards another player who may need more help getting in.
As for why someone wouldn't vote for Johnson: The logic by many writers is that they know Johnson or Pedro will get enough votes for induction. So they'd rather put that vote towards another player who may need more help getting in.
perfectchaos007
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???
He's in the 3,000 hit club, which generally is an auto-bid for the Hall. Also, he has never been suspected of juicing.
I believe each ballot is capped at 10 'yes' each year, and so some people voted for more 'fringe' contenders than Pedro/Johnson who were obviously getting in regardless.
terrisus
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Correct, 10 players max per ballot.
Bagwell was his teammate. They saw each others junk, therefore shared PEDs.
Not saying he doesn't deserve it just seeing his name next to someone like Barry Bonds or Roger Clemons is sorta ridiculous. If you're gonna argue numbers Barry is like the undisputed king of all things numbers. I understand the reason why he's not in, but Barry is so far above everyone else offensively that it's a joke.
TarpitCarnivore
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Look at this class. He was not going to get in over some of the other players on the list. The next few years of voting are going to be stacked. If anything Schilling and Moose deserve to be closer since their careers are very similar. The only difference is the world series rings.
They're not voting Barry because of their ridiculousness stance against people suspected of PEDs. The PED hate is beyond fucking stupid at this point.
perfectchaos007
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Okay yeah. Although there is more speculation about Bagwell doping, there has never been any evidence.
Delicious Waffles
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Piazza missing out makes me sad.
Greatest hitting catcher ever needs to go through this how many times before getting in?
Greatest hitting catcher ever needs to go through this how many times before getting in?
Which makes it even dumber that he wasn't voted in last year. B-BUT HE PLAYED DURING THE STEROID ERA SO HE MIGHT HAVE DONE THEM TOO
There's a huge difference between Bonds and McGuire.
perfectchaos007
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The only Astro that I remember doping was Ken Caminiti, and he was on some real hard drugs that don't exactly enhance your on field performance.
TarpitCarnivore
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Please explain why and it better be something other than "he did PED"
Agreed. Neither are going to get in but Bonds should get in long before Big Mac does
Why does it have to be anything beyond that?
I wouldnt vote for McGwire because of the PED stuff plus he was a one trick pony.
Why can't players be clean like the good old days? *ignores rampant amphetamine abuse in the 50s/60s/70s/80s because it's different somehow*
There are many people who don't believe Biggio is a HoFer. At no point in his career he was really the best at anything, and played longer and healthier than comparable players.
Ultimately should he get in? Maybe. He certainly isn't one of those guys you should be rushing to get in over clear cut superior players.
Delta Assault
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Wait... what? *googles*
...Wikipedia says he's married to a Playboy Playmate. *scratches head*
I Googled him too and it turns out no only is he not gay he's also a city square in Italy, Malta, along the Dalmatian coast and in surrounding regions.
evil solrac v3.0
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baseless speculation. Baseball writers are a fucking joke. can't wait until the millennials take over as the beat writers and the boomers die off.
If biggio played in Boston or new York he would be considered another Derek Jeter.
TarpitCarnivore
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McGwire I get, but Bonds? He is one of the best players of all damn time. It's not like he was some scrub player who used PEDs to hang out and eek out stats. PEDs or not, he had the bat speed and eye. PEDs don't suddenly make you read a pitch better or swing a bat better.
have you heard of steroids
TarpitCarnivore
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Poor Edgar
I'm sure Ortiz will get in no questions asked but people will debate Edgar for his entire time on the ballot. It's so stupid.
They do make you swing a bat better.
If he was a better player, certainly.
TarpitCarnivore
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Faster? Probably. But mechanics wise? Yeah, no.
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entremet
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Yep. And Tommy John surgery is something that people just ignore.
They both age?
Not going to argue that at all, because you're right. But what about fly outs that might have turned into home runs, what about hits/homers he got in games he would have missed if he wasn't using PEDs to recover faster, etc?
Stats be damned, I think PEDs lofted his career numbers to a different level than what they would have been had he finished his career clean. I know it's a flawed argument but I don't think a dirty player should be rewarded with a hall of fame induction, even if he was already a borderline hall of famer before he supposedly started juicing.
I stopped where the article started mentioning that Jeter had better talent around him.
TarpitCarnivore
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Because there's no possible way the advancement of exercise and workout regimens in the time those guys came into the league to the years they retired could have happened (Except Sosa).
There are cheaters in the hall now.
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