rorepmE
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Only people who found it distasteful are "Koreans or CCP agents" according to all the Japanese X comments I've been reading*
*possible I'm seeing a Japanese right-wing echo chamber
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Monitoring the situation in Iran
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Only people who found it distasteful are "Koreans or CCP agents" according to all the Japanese X comments I've been reading*
*possible I'm seeing a Japanese right-wing echo chamber
Gp1
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Officer reportedly leaks location of French aircraft carrier with Strava run
The 35-minute workout reveals the vessel's location as it heads towards the Middle East, Le Monde reports.
www.bbc.com
Some genius decided that Strava his run on the French aircraft carrier deck was a good idea...
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ChuckeRearmed
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There are too many rumours floatting around. A lot of options here and there, so various "sources" will give various answers. It is pretty clear that the operation in Iran is going to wind down - I mean there is no way to Iran to escalate further - just don't have resources anymore. So it will gradually wind down. No need to keep those many ships and resources there anymore and there is a small amount of targets left to bomb. Sure, Iran will continue launching things here and there but they have no capacity to increase anything and they will have to use more sophisticated tools in less amounts. The only question is the strait and the Kharg Island, but even those won't require bigger escalation - like all that original fleet of bombers and such. There is just no point anymore.
People of course will run around with articles about TACO or then claiming that some special forces operations (if they were to happen) are the escalation and such. The truth is that will be neither.
Imagine Iran hitting some holy site. Would be hilarious
Basically the japanese right wingers do not care, the japanese left wingers complain. That's all to it.
Personally I wonder why people treat it like such a big deal. The aircraft does not the invisibilty shield in any case so if anybody wanted to find, they could do that relatively easily.Officer reportedly leaks location of French aircraft carrier with Strava run
The 35-minute workout reveals the vessel's location as it heads towards the Middle East, Le Monde reports.
Some genius decided that Strava his run on the French aircraft carrier deck was a good idea...
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Meicyn
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Everyone is being shoved into an echo chamber. Internet algorithms have put people into one of two camps when it comes to politics, which is why most conversations erase a lot of nuance. I lean left of center, which is why I know I get fed way more left-wing stuff than right-wing whether I'm browsing on Youtube, reddit, or whatever else. So I actively seek out opposing viewpoints whether it be Drudge Report, Fox News, or whatever else because every news organization is framing their content to whatever agenda they have. It's impossible to stay truly informed if you're passively receiving your news.
Japanese people don't care. On a scale of 0 to 100, with 100 being Assassin's Creed Shadows, it doesn't even register.
freefornow
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If it's such an easy military operation to open the Strait, why does the US not do it? US is already "there". Just another dot point on their list of "objectives" to tick off surely. No help needed has been stated ad nauseam.
OccasionalPoster
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Donny double speak
Gp1
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There are too many rumours floatting around. A lot of options here and there, so various "sources" will give various answers. It is pretty clear that the operation in Iran is going to wind down - I mean there is no way to Iran to escalate further - just don't have resources anymore. So it will gradually wind down. No need to keep those many ships and resources there anymore and there is a small amount of targets left to bomb. Sure, Iran will continue launching things here and there but they have no capacity to increase anything and they will have to use more sophisticated tools in less amounts. The only question is the strait and the Kharg Island, but even those won't require bigger escalation - like all that original fleet of bombers and such. There is just no point anymore.
People of course will run around with articles about TACO or then claiming that some special forces operations (if they were to happen) are the escalation and such. The truth is that will be neither.
Imagine Iran hitting some holy site. Would be hilarious
Basically the japanese right wingers do not care, the japanese left wingers complain. That's all to it.
Personally I wonder why people treat it like such a big deal. The aircraft does not the invisibilty shield in any case so if anybody wanted to find, they could do that relatively easily.
Tracking the exact location of a carrier in the ocean is not an easy task.
Just trace a 250m length line on Google Earth, then zoom out and it will give you a broad idea.
One of the most difficult things is to pin point the exact location of carrier in the ocean in real time. Specially for a regional power like Iran.
ChuckeRearmed
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The countries are perfectly able to track carriers if necessary. From third person views, from planes flying about. And that's just the observers - now imagine countries using satellites and stuff. Countries don't rely on Google Maps in any case (well the ones that have the military power).
Gp1
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The Google maps example is just to illustrate how much ground someone has to cover with sensors without Strava boy trying to impress the girls by shinning a spotlight on his "middle of the ocean" workout.
Third person/spotters would only be able to track a carrier only close to shore.
Planes are not even allowed to fly close to it without being intercepted, sppecially in a combat scenario. It would probably be intercepted before sensor range on even the escorts. (I've posted not so long ago what happens when you fly close to a navy ship)
Unless you have:
1. Eyes in the sky relaying real time data and information...
Like a surveillance satellite, a capacity that just a dozen of countries have and isn't something that you can glue on a fast target indefinitely.
(Planes are somewhat unreliable to this because it's too much ground to cover.)
2. To another kind vessel/vehicle capable to shadowing it in sensor range undetected (eg. a submarine)
You simply will not have REAL TIME (emphasis here) location on it with a target capacity.
An asshole running around the deck in real time and you can cut the entire first loop and point the responsible for the second loop to a "semi" exact location.
It's a risk too big for such an important asset.
Ps. This is why it's so hard for land based ballistic missile to target a moving combat ship. It simply hard to know where to shoot at.
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Means Iran's ballistic missiles are in range of European capitals like Paris and Rome.
TransTrender
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Was this an unexpected capability on their side?
Yeah, was thought to be more like 2000km range, a major argument for Iran's missiles being irrelevant to Western concerns.
Wildebeest
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Something like should always have been in consideration. They are resourceful people and they have been working closely with Russia.
ChuckeRearmed
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Well according to Europe it is not their war, so if they hit by the rocket they can always blame Russia to continue pretending.
MisterFalcon
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As countries hosting bases involved in attacking Iran, they would be fully in their rights to attack those bases.
America may pretend otherwise but without the bases in Europe for ships and planes no large scale attack on Iran would be possible. The carriers have not enough firepower to do it on their own.
If Russian bombers flying from Cuba bombed the US you'd consider Cuba to also be the attacker and not an innocent bystander.
America may pretend otherwise but without the bases in Europe for ships and planes no large scale attack on Iran would be possible. The carriers have not enough firepower to do it on their own.
If Russian bombers flying from Cuba bombed the US you'd consider Cuba to also be the attacker and not an innocent bystander.
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Wildebeest
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In terms of damage to Europe the economic damage from the strait closing is worse than being hit by a few gonzo rockets. And Europe is not even the worst off here. Overall countries in Europe will see this as a war that profoundly affects them but they will see the country mainly attacking them and their interests as being the USA for not planning this out and keeping the strait open.
Here in Italy, we are fucked: 2,5€ per Liter... taxes on Fuel are between 50/70%....we had enough of Trump on his First term, but this time in Insane level like Homelander(Berlusconi is an amateur in comparison on what he did for the country) , we want Joe Biden or another democratic president....
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calico
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They would have to be retarded to think this, so maybe.
Wildebeest
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Certainly nobody in America could be bothered to explain why they are wrong in ways that make sense to them. They will just send Vance over again to threaten them with biblical disasters if they step out of line.
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calico
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If they need something as simple as this explained to them they are beyond hope.
DrFigs
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Trump keeps cancelling wind energy projects in this country unfortunately. It is so weird how anti-energy production he is. One of the first things he did when he took office was cancelling leases for wind energy projects. And recently he's been trying to stop offshore windfarms in the northeast right now. One reason he's against them, among others, is because they "drive whales crazy". Or maybe he's beholden to fossil fuel companies. idk.
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Wind is unfortunately not a great energy source. Low output, highly variable, kills millions of birds, makes areas ugly.
I'm a proponent of residential solar where viable, and nuclear.
Artoris
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Solar panels in a desert is a good idea as well
Absolutely. Solar panels in general now are cheap and efficient. China is deploying them in huge quantities.
Still need a reliable baseline power output via nuclear or fossil fuels, but solar can take stress off the grid especially during high AC usage periods.
ChuckeRearmed
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If europeans need to be explained why banning and arresting people for online posts is a bad thing then they have some problems...
It has always been such and odd thing on the west - especially in Europe. Net zero, "pollution" etc. all while China is bulding as many energy production facilities as possible - solar, wind, water, nuclear, coal, gas etc. etc.
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winjer
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And the nuclear waste can be recycled. making it even more efficient.
Welcome to asymmetric warfare. The goal of Iran isn't to invade US and destroy it. It is to make middle east radioactive to anyone from US and force us public to force government to stop war. Qatar, Saudi Arabia those are BIG players mostly because money they make but they are very small nations that can't legit oppose Iran without US backing. That's their second goal. Only reason why sunnis are winning against shia muslims is due to aliance with us and israel.
Then there is muslim insurgency. Ton of sunnis also hate that they have to be alied with us and just wait for their leaders to be dethroned.
Europe decided to commit sepuku on that front. Half of our energy costs are now green taxes. If americans got our prices for energy there would be riots everywhere.
1kw of energy is twice as cheap for us comapred to europe.
and because energy price is basis to all costs it means everything is more expensive due to that
winjer
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Asymmetric warfare does not mean attacking civilians.
It means attacking military targets with guerrilla tactics. For example, what the Vietnamese did to the USA.
What Iran is doing is complete cowardice.
ChuckeRearmed
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It is not asymmetric warfare. It is plain terrorism. It is like saying that hiding launchers at school is an asymmetric warfare.
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YCoCg
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Without upgrading the grid and providing viable storage solar is actually possible to overload the grid and cause surge cuts. In many countries in the EU or even the UK, the energy firms that have a high solar input tend to offer freebie days to encourage people to use more electricity for free to offset the overloading, I doubt offering electricity for free is something that can be done in the US.
HeisenbergFX4
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Though expensive initially going full off grid solar years ago was a great investment
Plus mainly driving EVs it also charges our vehicles (as we watch gas prices spike)
Unknown Soldier
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We've known that for some time now I think. Their missiles have a theoretical range as far as Portugal iirc
We have net metering in the US: you provide solar energy to the grid when you have excess production and it rewinds your meter, offsetting what you use at night or on cloudy days. Apparently in regions of the US with a lot of solar they reduce output on excess days to ensure grid overload doesn't happen.
We've said as much afaik, but Iran was claiming otherwise and the Iran-aligned western voices were citing their claims as reason why we didn't need to be attacking them. So it's good that there's evidence now.
Dude if you have a gun and you want to murder dude with a knife, don't expect guy with knife to play square and go at you with knife. He will take a hostage like someone you know and use that because that is the only way in which he can even out the chances.
Expecting fair and square is just being an idiot.
DeepEnigma
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Beep boops have to come up with new reasons to defend the terrorist state. I'm sure the script will be updated shortly.
Biff
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Such a shame how misguided we were in Canada for the past decade. We had 10 years to build east-west pipelines to export Alberta oil globally. We literally could have become the #1 oil exporter -- bigger than Saudi Arabia (I'm being dead serious).
Justin Trudeau and the Liberal party did everything in their power to block pipelines and oil permitting in the name of environmental protection. Both the Russia-Ukraine and now Iran wars would be played on an entirely different chessboard if Canada was the oil superpower it should be.
Canadians would be far wealthier -- our GDP per capita, adjusted for PPP, is currently around 70% of the US despite us literally being nextdoor neighbours with similar lifestyles and annual working hours. And I also suspect our current US-Canada relationship degradation may have taken a different turn. Can you imagine if, in the current situation, Canada could supplement lost Strait of Hormuz oil volumes? I imagine Trump would be MUCH friendlier to us right now.
Our new PM Carney, while still a Liberal, seems to be an economist and a pragmatist. There is some progress, but we are still moving way too slow. Best case scenario: we are ready for the next decade.
ChuckeRearmed
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Nobody expects it to be fair and square, but don't call it the assymetric warface. Taking hostages is terrorism.
Terrorism definition is: non-state actors trying to change politics. By definition state actors can't be terrorists. Same way US isn't terrorist state because CIA is conducting black operations on civilians in some third world nation. That is the same reason why no one calls nazis terrorists despite them executing civilians in plain day, and shoveling people into furnaces.
And yes, asymetric warfare is everything that is not within normal warfare.
TDiddyLive
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Where the fuck did you get that bullshit definition? Using your definition would be calling every person that has ever protested a government action a terrorist.
A quick Google search defines terrorism as: the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.
Edit: the next couple posts have more specific definitions to what is being discussed.
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DeepEnigma
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It's called direct state terrorism. It's been a definition for over 50 years now.
Direct state terrorism involves a government directly employing terror tactics—such as assassinations, torture, and unlawful detention—against its own citizens or foreign populations to achieve political goals, suppress dissent, or instill fear.
Direct state terrorism involves a government directly employing terror tactics—such as assassinations, torture, and unlawful detention—against its own citizens or foreign populations to achieve political goals, suppress dissent, or instill fear.
winjer
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