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There were reports a few weeks ago, that China was sending anti air man portable rockets to Iran, to help taking down aircraft.
And of course, Russia has been sending drones to hit bases and oil infrastructure all around the region.
The reason why Iran still hasn't surrendered and why it is still able to threaten the ships passing in the straight of Ormuz, is because they are being supplied by China and Russia.
Even with the US blocking Iranian ships, it won't be enough to stop all these weapons coming in.
 
winjer said:
There were reports a few weeks ago, that China was sending anti air man portable rockets to Iran, to help taking down aircraft.
And of course, Russia has been sending drones to hit bases and oil infrastructure all around the region.
The reason why Iran still hasn't surrendered and why it is still able to threaten the ships passing in the straight of Ormuz, is because they are being supplied by China and Russia.
Even with the US blocking Iranian ships, it won't be enough to stop all these weapons coming in.
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Russia has very clear way if they want to support Iran

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IlGialloMondadori said:
Someone just take away Grandpa's phone.

A deal to end the Iran war seemed close. Then Trump started posting on social media
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He also asserted that Tehran had agreed to many of the most contentious US demands — including that it had agreed to hand over the enriched uranium — and declared an imminent end to the war.

Iranian officials outwardly rejected many of those assertions.
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So it turns out vvvv this vvvv was a lie afterall ..

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Is the current admin getting this fake news from someone or do they just confidently assert bullshit claims all by themselves and expect it to turn into reality?
 
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adamsapple said:
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So it turns out vvvv this vvvv was a lie afterall ..





Is the current admin getting this fake news from someone or do they just confidently assert bullshit claims all by themselves and expect it to turn into reality?
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It's actually strongly suspected that there is heavy market manipulation going on as extremely profitable investments keeps being made prior to all of these announcements.
 
winjer said:
There were reports a few weeks ago, that China was sending anti air man portable rockets to Iran, to help taking down aircraft.
And of course, Russia has been sending drones to hit bases and oil infrastructure all around the region.
The reason why Iran still hasn't surrendered and why it is still able to threaten the ships passing in the straight of Ormuz, is because they are being supplied by China and Russia.
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These reports doesn't mean much until proven on the ground. So far, the only Chinese drones have been used by the UAE. A blockade of the Strait of Hormuz doesn't require support from China and Russia, and that is precisely why they aren't backing down.
I get that the run-up to WW3 is fascinating, but it's not worth getting ahead of ourselves either.

Bojji said:
Russia has very clear way if they want to support Iran
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And it's definitely being monitored by the US/Israel.
 
Critical Hit said:
These reports doesn't mean much until proven on the ground. So far, the only Chinese drones have been used by the UAE. A blockade of the Strait of Hormuz doesn't require support from China and Russia, and that is precisely why they aren't backing down.
I get that the run-up to WW3 is fascinating, but it's not worth getting ahead of ourselves either.
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I didn't say the drones were coming from China. I said it was from Russia.
And the debris of several Russian drones have already been found. So it's not some conspiracy.
 
Critical Hit said:
These reports doesn't mean much until proven on the ground. So far, the only Chinese drones have been used by the UAE. A blockade of the Strait of Hormuz doesn't require support from China and Russia, and that is precisely why they aren't backing down.
I get that the run-up to WW3 is fascinating, but it's not worth getting ahead of ourselves either.


And it's definitely being monitored by the US/Israel.
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They are moniring it for sure. But can they do something about what is happening on the Caspian sea?
 
Bojji said:
They are moniring it for sure. But can they do something about what is happening on the Caspian sea?
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Iirc the Israelis have already launched a strike in that area. It's not that hard to destroy port infrastructure/tankers/warehouses if there really is something on them.
The ceasefire is coming to an end. We'll have to wait and see if there are any attacks.


winjer said:
And the debris of several Russian drones have already been found. So it's not some conspiracy.
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I've only heard of one instance of 'debris in the UAE', which was a Ukrainian hoax. Are there any links to official sources from the UAE/US/Israel regarding the other instances, if there were any?
 
winjer said:
There were reports a few weeks ago, that China was sending anti air man portable rockets to Iran, to help taking down aircraft.
And of course, Russia has been sending drones to hit bases and oil infrastructure all around the region.
The reason why Iran still hasn't surrendered and why it is still able to threaten the ships passing in the straight of Ormuz, is because they are being supplied by China and Russia.
Even with the US blocking Iranian ships, it won't be enough to stop all these weapons coming in.
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Bojji said:
Russia has very clear way if they want to support Iran

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Yeah, it would suck if more countries get dragged into this. I'm hoping it doesn't escalate. We are seeing that something is going on now.
 
adamsapple said:
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So it turns out vvvv this vvvv was a lie afterall ..





Is the current admin getting this fake news from someone or do they just confidently assert bullshit claims all by themselves and expect it to turn into reality?
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So your assertion is that Iran is telling the truth and you find them more believable than the US President? Just trying to understand.
 
0neAnd0nly said:
So your assertion is that Iran is telling the truth and you find them more believable than the US President? Just trying to understand.
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In this particular case, no independent source verified this 'handing over Uranium' claim, Iran rejected it, it has not come to pass, so we can see it ourselves.
 
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Unknown Soldier said:
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This was what I was afraid of - but I wouldn't have expected anything less from Xi and CCP.
Obviously they'll probably pull plausible deniability of "dual purpose usage" of those stuff - for civilians and millitary - and probably say they did not and do not know of what Iran is going to do with this, etc.
Either ways, it can become a pre-talking point to ironed out before Trump visits China.
 
Edit: I'd rather not do this, not wanting the thread to devolve into arguments again. I just ask for people who post claims as hard truths, to be cautious of how you present that.
 
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0neAnd0nly said:
Edit: I'd rather not do this, not wanting the thread to devolve into arguments again. I just ask for people who post claims as hard truths, to be cautious of how you present that.
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Why not just observe what everyone is saying, seeing whatever data is available, and just form an opinion for yourself? Why have to go with what the President or what any President says?
 
freefornow said:
Interesting that Pakistan is dictating terms to the US.
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I reckon stopping a full on war is in Pakistan's best interes for multiple reasons, one of them being that it shares a sizable border with Iran so lots of refugees would start heading to Pakistan, which they probably aren't capable of handling.
 
Supposedly Iran is losing like $435M per day due to blockage.
US deployment cost would be pretty high even at the time of non-engagement, but Iran and with their size of GDP/population/economy's dependency on oil exports - the damage is already being done w/o dropping a single bomb much larger than one would think, I believe.
 
FullMetalx117 said:
Why not just observe what everyone is saying, seeing whatever data is available, and just form an opinion for yourself? Why have to go with what the President or what any President says?
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Not the point I was trying to make. We all parse info differently.

If I must answer your question it is because I am curious. I find it fascinating people would believe Iran more than the President of the US. This isn't an argument for or against said President, just something I find interesting. It gives me a good baseline of whom I am speaking with and their thought process / biases. How radical their ideas / feelings are one way or the other. When I debated in College, knowing the baseline argument of your opponent was invaluable to debating them. It is something largely lost on message boards today (and heck, even in the general public forum).
 
0neAnd0nly said:
Not the point I was trying to make. We all parse info differently.

If I must answer your question it is because I am curious. I find it fascinating people would believe Iran more than the President of the US. This isn't an argument for or against said President, just something I find interesting. It gives me a good baseline of whom I am speaking with and their thought process / biases. How radical their ideas / feelings are one way or the other. When I debated in College, knowing the baseline argument of your opponent was invaluable to debating them. It is something largely lost on message boards today (and heck, even in the general public forum).
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Trump is a proven liar, and Iran will tell anything that benefits them.

Trump is also obviously collaborating with people that are making bets, so they can make big money on whatever he says next.

Both sources of information are absolutely terrible.
 

ATHENS, April 21 (Reuters) - Fraudulent messages promising safe passage through the Strait of Hormuz in exchange for cryptocurrency have been sent to some shipping companies whose vessels are stranded west of the waterway, Greek maritime risk management ‌firm MARISKS has warned.
The U.S. has maintained its blockade of Iranian ports, while Iran has lifted and then re-imposed its blockade of the Strait of Hormuz, through which roughly a fifth of the world's oil and liquefied natural gas passed before war broke out in the Middle East.
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On April 18, when Iran ‌briefly opened ⁠the strait subject to checks, ships tried to pass but at least two of them, including a tanker, reported that Iranian boats had fired shots at them, forcing the vessels to turn around.

MARISKS said that it believed that at least one of the vessels, ⁠which tried to exit the strait on Saturday and was hit by gunfire, was a victim of the fraud.
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Bojji said:
Trump is a proven liar, and Iran will tell anything that benefits them.

Trump is also obviously collaborating with people that are making bets, so they can make big money on whatever he says next.

Both sources of information are absolutely terrible.
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Everybody ever has lied, period. Should having lied or being misinformed be a disqualifier for office?

But credibility wise, you would need to be deranged to trust Iran over the sitting US President. We have a much more transparent government than much of the world, with the press allowed to breathe down the neck of elected officials daily. So much so, that the President(s) of today can be fact checked in virtually real time.

Places like Iran, free press is virtually non existent. The government says what they want without any resistance. The world gets only carefully curated info, and really isn't allowed any insight into the operations at hand.

I just find it an interesting take, likely emotionally driven above anything else - but again, I'm open ears to hear a counter.
 
0neAnd0nly said:
Everybody ever has lied, period. Should having lied or being misinformed be a disqualifier for office?
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Everybody lies, one just lies a lot more .. and you don't have to take my word for it, various publications have done comparisons of the amount of lies told in office in the first year or so of recent presidential terms and the ratio is staggering.

But this is where the discussion will start veering into topics that will get this thread closed, so I'll leave it at that.


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News.

Looks like Vance/Kushner etc didn't fly out today cause they were attending this special meeting.

Maybe they'll be flying out tomorrow (?)

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Ceasefire makes sense. No point in destroying power plants in Iran when all that Israel - Trump want is uranium.

Use the cover of air force, do a smaller ground operation and get it from there.

Though, Iran must be prepared. Could turn into a disaster depending on their preparations.

Difficult decision ahead for Trump.

He already said its under surveillance and has not moved since it was bombed inside the bunker. Iran must also be focused there, waiting for a move.
 
vaibhavpisal said:
Ceasefire makes sense. No point in destroying power plants in Iran when all that Israel - Trump want is uranium.

Use the cover of air force, do a smaller ground operation and get it from there.

Though, Iran must be prepared. Could turn into a disaster depending on their preparations.

Difficult decision ahead for Trump.

He already said its under surveillance and has not moved since it was bombed inside the bunker. Iran must also be focused there, waiting for a move.
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I thought i head somewhere that the uranium is underground, covered in rubble and it would take weeks and scores of american engineers to dig it up. A giant operation with immense logistical requisites on top of the combat power to repel iranian attacks.
 
Starting to see the effects now. Weee.

BRUSSELS — Lufthansa is ending 20,000 short-haul routes across its network through October to achieve "jet fuel savings of more than 40,000 metric tons," the airline announced on Tuesday.

Jet fuel costs have "doubled since the outbreak of the Iran conflict," Lufthansa said.
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www.politico.eu

Lufthansa axes 20,000 ‘unprofitable’ flights to save jet fuel

Airline says jet fuel costs have doubled since the start of the Iran conflict.
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