Holy shit I did it!!
I know this sounds dumb but leaving the area was some good damn advice. I always worried they would be healing in that time.
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Holy shit I did it!!
I know this sounds dumb but leaving the area was some good damn advice. I always worried they would be healing in that time.
Owlowiscious
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Also I forget that I've been SUPER spoiled by playing SNS for most of the game. Forget a 'bit' of practice, it will take a LOT of practice to know when to throw a flash bomb, sheathe your weapon, get in position, and throw a flash bomb at the right time and place.
Sometimes I sheathe my weapon and run around waiting for the 'right time' and waste soooo much time waiting that it's not worth it.
but yeah imagine a monster has a cone of vision in front of it like Metal Gear solid and have the flash bomb explode inside that cone. (it's more like almost a full 180 degrees, as long as it's in front of their face and not too far away)
first you can just learn how to throw it so they get blinded, even on the ground it makes most monsters easier to deal with and predictable. then you can learn how to time it so it knocks them out of the air.
still one of my favorite things to do in this game is to sonic bomb diablos when he digs underground, beat on him, and throw a flash bomb as he flies up out of the sonic bomb, and beat on him some more. (then mount him, then lay a pitfall at his feet, then flash him as he flies out the pitfall >_>)
On a related note to the bombing talk, I've just gotten into Stylish Bombing and it is pretty damn fun. Who needs to flash bomb Los when you can explode him out of the air?
EDIT:
Monsters only heal up when they fall asleep (though certain monsters can heal themselves with certain moves). But yeah, getting out of there is always a valid option, allowing you to take a breather, sharpen, and prepare to counter attack.
If you're close enough, running back to camp and taking a nap on the bed will heal you up to full (and remove status ailments IIRC).
EDIT:
Monsters only heal up when they fall asleep (though certain monsters can heal themselves with certain moves). But yeah, getting out of there is always a valid option, allowing you to take a breather, sharpen, and prepare to counter attack.
If you're close enough, running back to camp and taking a nap on the bed will heal you up to full (and remove status ailments IIRC).
Monster only heal by going to sleep, and they heal slowly. It is usually negligible.
Congrats!
Owlowiscious
Member
at evasion +2 I still can't roll correctly out of the barrel explosion (but still worth it)
Oh wow so going to the next area and me slowly getting there doesn't do it? I really need ot understand patience it seems.
Thanks. Another newb question but you had mentioned using traps mid fight. Is this pretty common to use a trap just to slow the fight? I am only really using them when they are asleep to try and trap them.
Owlowiscious
Member
Monsters change maps for a variety of reasons. You should take your time to heal up and sharpen weapons as well as any other prep before following them to the next area. The only time it feels worth it to rush after them is if they left to eat something. If they're exhausted (drooling) they suck at are easier to fight, but if they go to another area to eat something, they're regain stamina from eating and won't be exhausted anymore.
It is a perfectly valid tactic. Just the time to lay down a trap you could get hurt, and the time to lure them into a trap you could just be fighting them, and the cost of the trap are all annoyances as to why some choose not to do it. But traps just to attack a monster is a fine strategy.
I use it when I really want to lay some barrel bombs down and get good damage in (and blow up something on their head). Others use it to keep the monster in place to cut off their tail or bash their horn/head.
My set uses Evasion +1, it's really about waiting half a second before rolling. Don't roll immediately and you should be fine. I still mess up during tense moments since the tempation to dodge is so strong. >_>
EDIT:
Using traps mid-fight helps you lock down a monster when you otherwise might have a more difficult time dealing with it. An example mentioned that works with Rathalos and Rathian is using a Pitfall Trap, wailing on them, then turning around and using a flash bomb to knock them out of the air for another free attack chance. Some monsters are immune or resistant to certain traps, while others are more vulnerable to said traps. When a monster is tired (you can see it drooling), they get stuck in traps for longer periods of time.
Think of them like difficulties in a Diablo game. Low is normal, high is nightmare, G is hell. Except it's not quite the same and each difficulty expands on the content available.
The original release of MH4 (and other mainline MH games) included low rank and high rank. Once you clear low rank you get into high rank which has stronger versions of the older monsters, as well as many new monsters and subspecies. Some monsters gain new moves, most are faster and hit harder. The materials you get in high rank are used for all new armor sets, weapons, and upgrades for low rank weapons.
G rank was added to this game, which is a standalone expansion of MH4. It's another difficulty level above high rank, with even more new monsters and subspecies. Monsters gain more new moves, and of course the equipment is much more powerful and varied.
The Caravan story progresses through low rank, then you beat the 'final boss' and the vanilla MH4 singleplayer content ends. From there you move on to the high rank content which has its own story and end boss. The story stuff stops there but you unlock some more G level quests by doing the online 'guildhall' missions.
Guildhall stuff is separate and is where your hunter rank (different from low, high and G ranks) comes into play. You raise that rank by doing guildhall quests and it determines which quests you can do. It's roughly equivalent to the caravan star ratings, at least until G rank where it serves a different purpose. Worry about that later though.
Should I start using flash bombs a lot more often? To this point I haven't really used them at all.
Warrior_Keoni
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Been seriously going back and forth debating whether Lagia armor is better versus Rath Soul.
I think with a GS, the DPS increase (as a friend told me) would be gemming CritDraw in, hit and run, rinse and repeat.
I think with a GS, the DPS increase (as a friend told me) would be gemming CritDraw in, hit and run, rinse and repeat.
I think they unlock by hunting enough of the monster, I believe need like 10 Diablos for that quest and 30ish Zinogre/ Najarala kills for their Apex quests.
bennywhatever
Member
Against Rathian and Rathalos, it'd be a good idea to get used to using them. They're not mega-important in Low Rank, but if you get good with them it'll really help you in High Rank. You'll be fighting harder members of the Rath family, and Flash Bombing becomes almost a necessity.
Out_Of_Ammo
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Finally completed a version of this set that as sharpness +1 (but lacks evasion +1 ;-.
The other version had Attack UP XL and Evasion +1.
To make it you'll need a Handicraft +5 OOO charm.
That's my current armor set but with attack up M and critical eye +3 and no sharpness +1. I don't have any handicraft charms
. In fact, my best charm is still a timeworn charm with expert +8 and 1 slot.Owlowiscious
Member
I'm assuming you don't
That's my current armor set but with attack up M and critical eye +3 and no sharpness +1. I don't have any handicraft charms
D: Only that? While it's better than having no decent charms but if that was still my best I'd probably dedicate an entire day to charm farming/high level (130+) guild quests. Gotten quite a few gems from doing those.
Should count myself lucky I got quite a few good charms for these sets (still want a better handicraft charm though
).They're good to have. I keep 5 in my main item sets just in case. Their primary use is getting flying monsters to fall out of the air.
I like to use them for getting monsters off my back when I want to carve a tail or heal or something. Some monsters when flashed just spin in place or spam taunts, so it's easy damage. But some monsters go completely ape shit when you use one so it's not always a good idea. Don't flash bomb Rajang.
Early on, don't worry about it too much (except for the aforementioned Rathalos maybe). Just make sure to use your Wycoon to keep making more materials (e.g. Flashbugs for flash bombs, Honey for Mega Potions) so that you'll have a nice stack or two to use when you really need them.
Later on when monsters hit harder, Flash bombs will become more useful for stunning them so you can take a breather or interrupt an attack (e.g. Zinogre gathering thunder energy can be stopped with flash bombs, Tigrex becomes much less mobile when blinded, ect). Rathalos and his various subspecies in particular will fly around for a good chunk of the fight, making flash bombs almost necessary for blademasters who don't want to waste time.
EDIT: ^^^ Also as Mupod points out, flashbombing certain monsters makes them more unpredictable, so don't spam them. Save them for instances that you can take advantage of.
ivanthebearable
Member
Got a question:
I've been doing the G2 Key Quests on and off lately and I have
Course Correction, The Azure King and the Tyrant, Beast Not Quite Busted, and How To Zap Your Zinogre done but the only other Key quests that I can join are Temper Tantrum. Pestering Pest and Brute Force aren't appearing for whatever reason. Anyone know why that is? Kiranico doesn't show that they have any prereqs...
I've been doing the G2 Key Quests on and off lately and I have
Course Correction, The Azure King and the Tyrant, Beast Not Quite Busted, and How To Zap Your Zinogre done but the only other Key quests that I can join are Temper Tantrum. Pestering Pest and Brute Force aren't appearing for whatever reason. Anyone know why that is? Kiranico doesn't show that they have any prereqs...
Rajang seems to have uncanny knack for knowing exactly where hunters are while he's blinded and moves at like twice the speed. I don't know how he does it, but it fucking sucks.
Just crafted my first (early) high rank set:
Jaggi S helm, faulds and greaves. Velociprey S mail and braces.
2x grinder gems and 2x attack gems, this gives me attack up medium, speed sharpen, halve stun and 2 free slots. Havent found anything better then the auto guard talisman so im using that for now.
Hopefully this should last me a bit into high rank.
Jaggi S helm, faulds and greaves. Velociprey S mail and braces.
2x grinder gems and 2x attack gems, this gives me attack up medium, speed sharpen, halve stun and 2 free slots. Havent found anything better then the auto guard talisman so im using that for now.
Hopefully this should last me a bit into high rank.
Jeff Vader
Member
Does anybody have any time to help me take out Seltas Queen?
No matter what set I make I keep going back to Lagiacrus X. For both its skills and looks. It's pretty much the perfect set for GS imo.
The 1 thing it's missing is HG ears tho. And that is a skill I hate not having.
I have a few variations of it but my general purpose set is
Crit draw
Focus
Quick sheathe
Weakness Exploit
Awaken (for paralyze or fire)
Divine Blessing.
The problem is getting HG ears on it and still having room for another skill.
What's the highest hearing charm? Is there like a 6 ooo?
The 1 thing it's missing is HG ears tho. And that is a skill I hate not having.
I have a few variations of it but my general purpose set is
Crit draw
Focus
Quick sheathe
Weakness Exploit
Awaken (for paralyze or fire)
Divine Blessing.
The problem is getting HG ears on it and still having room for another skill.
What's the highest hearing charm? Is there like a 6 ooo?
Out_Of_Ammo
Member
D: Only that? While it's better than having no decent charms but if that was still my best I'd probably dedicate an entire day to charm farming/high level (130+) guild quests. Gotten quite a few gems from doing those.
Should count myself lucky I got quite a few good charms for these sets (still want a better handicraft charm though
But charm farming is boring
. I just mine during hunts and hope for the best.That's my current armor set but with attack up M and critical eye +3 and no sharpness +1. I don't have any handicraft charms
Oh, did you get your final heart after all?
Out_Of_Ammo
Member
Yeah, yesterday before I went to bed. From the subquest reward. No more molten Tigrex for me!
Untill I want to upgrade my tigrex HH which needs another blastheart T_T
Graven charms have a max of 8 hearing and the ooo. Enduring has a max of 6.
Yes, Crit Draw is one of the best end-game GS skills. With end-game high-raw swords, the damage you can do with Crit Draw will outdo Attack Up XL.
Sure.
ivanthebearable
Member
I'm game.
This is true. And Crit Draw is amazing. There is no arguing that.
But.....
Many times, on end game hunts you may find yourself in prolonged lock down situations, where the monster is immobile for long periods of time. If you know you'll be going into a hunt like this it's not a terrible idea to have a secondary set made for these circumstances. With your weapon drawn for long periods time skills like focus, critical eye, Attack up, and potentially weakness exploit (among others) will allow your charged hits and final smashes to do more damage and maybe even crit themselves.
Just food for thought.
In my recent 140GQ grinding sessions, I've been using sets without crit draw and replacing it with skills above to pretty good effect. Again, this depends on the crew you have and if the chain trap, status abuse, ect for maximum damage, so ymmv.
Already have some honed blade sets but I like the look of this so I wanted sharpness +1 on it.
Fashion Huntersssss.
I really want to use Gogma set for the looks but the lack of any synergy in the skills is annoying.
HawthorneKitty
Sgt. 2nd Class in the Creep Battalion, Waifu Wars
I hate Rebellion Helm ZAlready have some honed blade sets but I like the look of this so I wanted sharpness +1 on it.
Jeff Vader
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Ok cool, i'll make a room real quick
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So I just made my new set, what do you guys think?
Honed Blade (Sharpness +1 and AuL)
Challenger +2
Razor Sharp
Elemental attack up
I think it's a pretty great set for only four skills, but would it be better than my Uka Uka U set which has:
Mind's eye
Sharpness +1
Weakness Exploit
Tremor res
Critical eye +1
Speed sharpening
Speed gathering
Which set should I use/is better?
-Alternis
Honed Blade (Sharpness +1 and AuL)
Challenger +2
Razor Sharp
Elemental attack up
I think it's a pretty great set for only four skills, but would it be better than my Uka Uka U set which has:
Mind's eye
Sharpness +1
Weakness Exploit
Tremor res
Critical eye +1
Speed sharpening
Speed gathering
Which set should I use/is better?
-Alternis
The first set is cookie cutter high DPS template but the second gets points for speed gathering so probably the second.
circle pad pro xl (they work with any 3DS XL regardless of region)
I don't use CBs!
But I guess I'll have to as an excuse to wear Gogma.
One of you guys ride this and yell "je sui monte!"
Is it actually comfortable? It looks pretty terrible. I don't really need the second circle pad.