Bronco'Bama
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I. HATE. RAJANG...but I really want that Jhen Mohran gunner set.
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I love it, personally. Couldn't do without it.
But please, learn how to use them correctly and don't blindly spam. Just had a room of randoms making a fuckin' light show out of a Gold Rath fight, my eyes still hurt. Of course everyone got hit every 5 seconds because nobody could see a damn thing. Funny enough, they only threw one out of 25 while she was in the air.
Why not another 5 slot skill, like trap master? Something to directly help with the hunt itself?
If you're referring to the second set, I do have another, which is speed sharpening. If you're referring to the first, there's just simply no room for any other skills.
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ivanthebearable
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Heh disconnected right at the end there. Good hunts!
I was YellowBara btw.
I was YellowBara btw.
Six Flags Magic Mountain in Valencia, California.
Jeff Vader
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Yeah it was good times. I hope to start using that tank soon.
Yep. You got all your quest rewards right?
Question:
Can anyone explain to me how elemental damage is calculated? What is the trade-off between raw and elemental? What thought process should I use to choose which weapon to use on a given monster (with an elemental weakness) if one weapon has greater raw and another has an elemental value?
(I'm an archer).
On a related note, what is 'true attack' (or whatever)?
Can anyone explain to me how elemental damage is calculated? What is the trade-off between raw and elemental? What thought process should I use to choose which weapon to use on a given monster (with an elemental weakness) if one weapon has greater raw and another has an elemental value?
(I'm an archer).
On a related note, what is 'true attack' (or whatever)?
Fuuuuckkk...anyone wanna go to six flags this weekend?
Seems pretty decent but what kind of charges does it get? Water is good against some really large monsters so having piercing on it might make it even more attractive.
ivanthebearable
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Yup, got nothing unusual. The regular cortexes and junk.
Oh, gathering just comes with it? I thought you were gemming it in.
Hmmm. Better than nothing I suppose.
I believe you can take 10% of whatever the elemental value is and apply that to the true attack. To keep it simple - fast hitting weapons benefit more from elemental damage than slow hitting weapons. S&S, Dual Blades, Insect Glaive...they benefit pretty strongly from elemental damage. GS, Hammer, Lance...not so much.
True attack is how much damage the weapon does after calculating their motion value. Slow hitting weapons like the GS have a high motion value in their strikes.
It's kind of complicated. You can research Gaijin Hunter's blog if you want the nitty gritty details, but basically yeah, fast weapons benefit from elemental damage while slow weapons don't.
From what I recall it has lvl 1 piercing, level 2 spread, level 3 piercing ,lv 4 piercing. It also takes p coating and 4/5 other coatings.
Oh it's also a blast type.
I'm a horn / GS player, so I don't know much about bows. :x
http://gaijinhunter.tumblr.com/post/56142405516/understanding-effective-weapon-power
http://gaijinhunter.tumblr.com/post/73946102476/mh4-how-damage-calculation-works-simplified
http://gaijinhunter.tumblr.com/post/92814625497/mh4-understanding-motion-values
These three posts should give you a good understanding.
depends on the charge types and focus shot. The raw is meh but it would be okay against anything weak to water.
Pierce is the most situational bow, as its really only useful against large monsters. It's really not worth making a set for if you aren't looking to use bows a lot. Also blast will blow up all your teammates online
depends on the charge types and focus shot. The raw is meh but it would be okay against anything weak to water.
Pierce is the most situational bow, as its really only useful against large monsters. It's really not worth making a set for if you aren't looking to use bows a lot. Also blast will blow up all your teammates online
Ah well thats a shame, back to horn it is then.
Thanks for the insights.
It's like potions, nullberry, antidotes
G3 key quests and charm farming.
I'll make a room
I was just thinking of forging the last Daora HBG upgrade, which would mean farming the G rank one for a bit.
Ah, sorry for the obscurity. The set has a little over ten slots. I use two to get in Tremor res and weakness exploit, and use the rest to gem in speed sharpening and speed gathering (which is useful when carving tails or bodies in multi monster hunts).
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AmethystEnd
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First one is straight up better DPS in any situation, but the second has better utility.
Damage is the best utility tho, I'd use the first one.
Man oh man. A RL friend just admitted to me he has been hacking his charms. He had an Auto-Guard + 10 and Guard Boost + 8 charm that I had really been yearning for that I thought was legit... Shoulda known just by autoguard having an accompanying skill.
Has anyone encountered any hacking? Is he just trolling me? I seriously don't feel like playing with him now...Poop. Or should I say, Dung.
Has anyone encountered any hacking? Is he just trolling me? I seriously don't feel like playing with him now...Poop. Or should I say, Dung.
HawthorneKitty
Sgt. 2nd Class in the Creep Battalion, Waifu Wars
Just tell him to take it off and git gud when playing with him. Already seen a few hackers online with ridiculous charms.
Wait till you see his Auto-Guard +30 charm for Auto-Guard God.
I don't think it's a huge deal, especially not enough to stop playing with a RL friend IMO. It's also kind of cute he hacked a charm for Auto-Guard lol.
Owlowiscious
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second set (tremor resist) against Rajang, first set against EVERYTHING ELSE (lol)
ivanthebearable
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Are Harvest Tours really the only way to fight G Rank Gypceros? :/
I need Rubbery Finehides for the last piece of B.Gravios armor.
I need Rubbery Finehides for the last piece of B.Gravios armor.
Parmadillo Marshmallow
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Yeah those Gaijin Hunter posts made it all clear... unfortunately there's still a ton of math involved and a good understanding of monster elemental weaknesses and location hit damage (arm=20%, leg=15%, head=55%, etc) that you would need to factor in to determine if a particular weapon's elemental is worth the tradeoff for raw.
In very very general terms, elemental attacks do not use motion values (each weapon's attacks/combos have different motion values), and their modifier (just a fixed constant per weapon) is /10 across the board. Weapon raw damage modifiers vary from /1.4 to /5.4 to determine "true attack". Dual blades has a modifier of /1.4, with motion values being anywhere from 7% up to about 25% per hit, depending on the combo you are using. So with DB:
So, say on some monster's leg with a cut of 35% and an elemental of 20%, it might look like this:
Raw/1.4*motion*cut location=damage per hit
196/1.4*.07*.35=3.43 damage for that weak-ass 7% motion hit.
Elemental/10*elemental location=damage per hit
350/10*.20=7 damage tacked on for that same weak ass hit.
That can change drastically if you use stronger, slower attacks and if the monster is weaker to your element (same weapon here).
196/1.4*.12*.35=5.88 damage per hit
350/10*.05=1.75 tacked on
I see a few people here and there with ridiculous charms, but I wouldn't really stop playing with a friend if they had stuff like that. If they had a Greatsword or whatever with like 99,999 attack then I probably would (i'm not even sure if you could actually do that with powersaves though).
ivanthebearable
Member
It's not like I'm mad at him IRL or anything and we play other games online still but I have absolutely 0 interest in playing with people who haven't earned their gear or charms. He said he did it with some materials too.
This whole time I had been competing with him to get ahead in certain areas and I had to listen to him boast about his accomplishments too, lol. Kinda sucks, but I'm not gonna change my stance and I've told him if he doesn't wear the hacked stuff we can play, but he has this +10 wellness charm he loves. I think it has +10 mounting too
. To me, it's like cheating through proxy.Warrior_Keoni
Member
Yep. Just tried here also.
It's not like I'm mad at him IRL or anything and we play other games online still but I have absolutely 0 interest in playing with people who haven't earned their gear or charms. He said he did it with some materials too.
This whole time I had been competing with him to get ahead in certain areas and I had to listen to him boast about his accomplishments too, lol. Kinda sucks, but I'm not gonna change my stance and I've told him if he doesn't wear the hacked stuff we can play, but he has this +10 wellness charm he loves. I think it has +10 mounting too
Eh. There's worse things than hacking a +10 mounting lol.
I have a legit +8 mounting ooo slotted with 3x1 rodeo charms that would look hacked by anyone examining probably?
working fine for me