Gully State
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You're right I'm sorry...Kemp should be 2..
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You're right I'm sorry...Kemp should be 2..
SlackAdjuster
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Not true either way lmao
SlackAdjuster
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You didn't say anything about defense. You said Klay and Steph didn't have their normal games. Neither did LBJ, Kyrie or Love, offensively. Or JR. Or the entire bench.
Ninja Scooter
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Their defense had a normal game, which is why they are going to lose this series. They can't hang.
MetalFearSolid
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I wonder why Cavs struggle with these midrange shooters like DeRozan and Livingston. I mean they just don't have a match-up for them whether it is JR, Shumpert or off a switch.
Steph and Klay were something like 2/12 on uncontested shots. How many of those did the Cavs have?
Diprosalic
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lmao SlackAdjuster still thinks they got a chance.
Stabby McSter
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it's good to have hopes and dreams
i3allistic
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Believeland ....LOL
BlackGhost
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The overreactions are crazy
XiaNaphryz
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But look at all those missed shots, they're obviously shook by it this time.
But Lebron, Kyrie and love actually had a decent game relative to who they are
BadAss2961
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It's just game 1. Still likely for Golden State to have ups and downs.
Not ready to start trollin yet.
SlackAdjuster
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No idea off the top of my head but the Cavs missed a lot of easy shots in the paint as well. That's not likely to continue either.
they even saw it to a greater extent just last series
Diprosalic
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he had a good finals, averaged close to 30 in the last four and 27/6/5 for the series, shot almost 60% from 3 in 3 straight games, all while getting doubled by a good defensive team. reactionary BS that he played bad.
started trolling the cavs and the leastern conference months ago.
i3allistic
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anyone notice how when Curry on Lebron, Lebron would hesitated and pass the ball? that sneaky quick hands Curry has against Lebron above average handles
SlackAdjuster
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No, they actually didn't!
I'd give Love a "decent" grade on offense. The other 2, nah.
It's just funny how over reactive everyone is about game 1, on the road where they are likely to lose in the first place. I've already said Klay and Steph aren't likely to play as bad but neither is the entire Cavs roster. You think this 45-10 bench beating the Cavs took is going to continue?
Diprosalic
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this game proved what people have said all along, yes Cavs were injured but that lineup they put out matched actually pretty well against GS because it had great defense.
now that Kyrie is back they can attack him every single time and laugh their way to a b2b chip.
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/06/warriors-cavaliers-game-1-kyrie-irving
now that Kyrie is back they can attack him every single time and laugh their way to a b2b chip.
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/06/warriors-cavaliers-game-1-kyrie-irving
Klay and Curry scored 20 combined yet had this type of impact on offense..
https://twitter.com/RobMahoney/status/738771130748522497
Diprosalic
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as long as Kyrie defends them, they're gonna keep looking like MVP candidates.
Ninja Scooter
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You are focusing on the offense when it's their defense that everyone predicted would cost them the series, and that's exactly how it looked. Despite Klay and Curry missing good shots and lay ups, the Warriors were able to do anything they wanted against the Cavs
defense. Everything everyone said about the Cavs being unable to successfully hide Kyrie, or about Love and Thompson being garbage against screens and PNRs all came to fruition. And another wrinkle was added now that Kerr know he can throw in Livingston and his 6'11 wingspan to nullify and get any shot he wants against the Cavs backup guards (including defensive stopper Matthew Dellavadova). The is little Lue can do in terms of matchup changes to really turn the tide of any of this. The Cavs roster is what they are, which is that they are ill equipped to deal with a team like Golden State. Making a lineup change here or there isn't going to change that.
SlackAdjuster
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I could be wrong but I don't even believe Kyrie was in the game when they Cavs rally fell off in the 3rd. The swing came right after Delly touched Igo's peepee.
Chewy Chipmunk
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Yeah, unless the Cavs find some magic formula, they are done. They are not even close to being competitive in any area. Last night's score never even felt that close even though the Warriors still won by 15.
If Curry and Thompson were on their game, it would have been even more embarrassing.
Ninja Scooter
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This is the kind of shit people miss when they just look at Klay or Curry's stat line and assume the Cavs did a bang up job defending them.
SlackAdjuster
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And I'm telling you that I highly doubt the Cavs will continue to be this bad offensively which can help make up for that. And it wasn't any "suffocating" GS defense that did it either. If the Cavs offense operated in their typical fashion last night, they either win or lose a very close game. Cavs missed all kinds of usual makes in the paint last night. I don't have an exact number but I'll throw a few of those at good defensive play by Iggy and the rest were their own problem. You start making those shots inside and things change outside. Livingston will not continue to shoot 80%...please.
No lies detected. I cannot see the Cavs playing GS style like they have been feasting on weaklings so far winning. Their D will not hold up. They have to play physical ugly ball but that would require reducing Kyrie and Love's minutes big time. It's not impossible but very unlikely they will fuckball their way to 4 wins against GS.
Ninja Scooter
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Denial is a cruel beast.
i3allistic
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i was saying it last night, the Cav's D was too focused on the Splashed Brothers, which lead to easy buckets .....
SlackAdjuster
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Funny how all these experts predicted that Klay and Steph would have bad nights and GS bench would outscore the Cavs 45-10. An L is an L but that game last night went exactly how you all said it would. /s
I don't know why you pose the hypothetical in the way that the cavs offense plays alot better, but steph and klay still miss a ton of shots.
The Warriors were sloppy and unfocused last night which has been their biggest downside during this season. That's when the Cavs look a one-point lead. When the Warriors turned it on, though, it became a blowout in just a couple minutes. That's what the Cavs have to contend with going forward. Can they stay with the Warriors when GS is sharp and focused?
If Curry and Klay shoot 29% for the series Cavs are in good shape...
Ninja Scooter
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In a lot of ways, yes it did. There were some surprises, like Barnes actually being somewhat useful (which just leaves one less place to hide Kyrie) and the bench stepping up big time, but those aren't really things that help the Cavs chances.
I mean, okay, you want to ignore a lot of very present evidence from last nights game, and a lot of trends that occurred that plenty of people said would occur, and instead invest in some good old fashioned hope that all of that will be wiped away somehow. Good luck, I guess?
SlackAdjuster
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I'm not denying anything. I'm just not gonna pull the fire alarm after I see a tiny puff of smoke. I want to see how different game 2 will look and I'm sure it will. I also want to see the Cavs defend their home court. If we go back to GS 2-2 I'll be ok with that. When we lose a home game is when I'll concede. Until then, this was just one pretty abnormal game all around buy both teams.
Bam Bam Baklava
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My posts were focused mainly on defense and things went EXACTLY as I thought they would last night. Irving and Love getting lost and Warriors getting easy looks they could only dream of against OKC.
CopperPuppy
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It is funny, actually, but your sarcasm is misplaced. The game didn't go the way "all these experts" said it would. Unfortunately for the Warriors, Curry and Thompson didn't light up the Cavs' horrible D. Unfortunately for the Cavs, this pitiful effort by Golden State's top two offensive producers was still sufficient to torch Cleveland to the tune of nearly 20 points.
rokkerkory
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he is an awesome player and would be a solid starter in many other teams.
It's funny because even this isn't true.
Well, it did and it didn't. Experts thought the Cavs defense wasn't good enough to stop the Warriors. That's true. Everyone just thought it would be the Warriors' stars that took advantage. It's admirable (delusional?) that Cavs fans could be heartened after that loss considering there are ten players on GS who can torch them on the offensive end. And ten who could slow them down on the other side of the court.
XiaNaphryz
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Depends...how many more groin shots will they attempt?
BlackGhost
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0_o .....
Diprosalic
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nobody predicted that but we said that the Dubs have an answer for everything the Cavs can throw at them. This was just one of those things, it'll be a different thing in game 2 but the outcome stays the same. We said defense is going to break the neck of CLE and it did, they exploited the Cavs on that end and will continue to do so. Cavs could go back to a more defense oriented line up similar to the one they had last year but that got beat easily in the end, see, answers for everything.
SlackAdjuster
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This will probably be the last time I respond to you because I'm starting to see that your entire game is twisting everything I say into something I didn't. Pretty lame.
My point from the get go was pretty simple. I don't think Klay and Steph will continue to be this bad although Klay struggled vs the Cavs the entire Finals last year so maybe there's an analysis trend there that you like so much. However, I also don't expect our team to play as bad as they did last night either. And that one game does not make a series and we saw things from last nights game from both teams, good and bad, that are unlikely to keep happening. Lastly, GS SHOULD win these games. They are at home. I never predicted a sweep or anything crazy like that. Maybe some Cavs fans did, I don't know. That's not me. Call me when we lose a home game. Until then I just hope to steal one on the road. Didn't happen last night. Onward to Sunday.
Twist away.
CassidyIzABeast
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Tom Haberstroh ‏@tomhaberstroh 3h3 hours ago
Warriors are 6-0 in their last six games vs. the Cavs, winning by an average of 16.7 points. Cavs held below 100 in all six.
Warriors are 6-0 in their last six games vs. the Cavs, winning by an average of 16.7 points. Cavs held below 100 in all six.
he'd be 0-5 if Ray Allen and Paul Pierce hadn't vanished in the ECF the prior year against Boston. I think they both shot under 35% the whole series.
2 things
1- Please dont stop posting. I think you're wrong, but there are a ton of people that think like you, and its great to have this opinion posted here. At the very least, don't be the guy that disappears when the cavs go down 0-2.
2- I think your point that GS "should" win these games is totally on point. We do tend to overreact and overcorrect to small samples in these long series, and if GSW happen to lose in game 2 the narrative will entirely flip. Completely agree.
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