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NBA Finals 2016 |OT| - The King demands seconds. The Chef delivers.

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Kickz said:
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Lebron's reaction makes this even more amazing :)
 
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phanphare

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rambis said:
You have to look at more than just the shot attempts. Go watch Lebron when he is shadowing Curry off the ball or Kyrie. He's being straight bullied and its sapping his energy which is in turn effecting his offense. I didn't watch Klay much off the ball but Steph for sure was going through it with LeBron.
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Oh I have no doubt that Curry and Klay were having an off-shooting night on top of it all. The Cavs just displayed much better D on them than I was expecting though. The clip shows shot attempts, but it doesn't show the times Curry and Klay had to pick up their dribble and pass out of shots, get checked off their screens and picks, etc. because their defender was up in their grill. And it also disrupted their crisp passing, too.

They're always going to get open looks in a game, especially with all that motion and movement. The key is trying to limit that below their usual baseline, which I felt the Cavs kinda did (although at the expense of freeing up space and opportunity for the role players). It'll help their chances if they can keep that up, but realistically, yes, you do expect Curry and Klay to start hitting shots too. I don't expect their shooting percentages to be as bad, but I do think that type of play can keep it lower than their season average. Or who knows, maybe they'll just turn on god mode and go nuts. You'd expect they'd be good for that at least one time this series.
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this is true, all I'm saying is that if you're cleveland you've gotta be worried because it looked like they were doing everything they could to contain the warriors and not only was it not enough to win both curry and klay were missing shots that they usually make. so even with whatever perimeter defense yall are talking about curry and klay still got the looks that they wanted and you cannot bank on those not falling as the series continues.
 
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MushroomSamba said:
Oh I have no doubt that Curry and Klay were having an off-shooting night on top of it all. The Cavs just displayed much better D on them than I was expecting though. The clip shows shot attempts, but it doesn't show the times Curry and Klay had to pick up their dribble and pass out of shots, get checked off their screens and picks, etc. because their defender was up in their grill. And it also disrupted their crisp passing, too.

They're always going to get open looks in a game, especially with all that motion and movement. The key is trying to limit that below their usual baseline, which I felt the Cavs kinda did (although at the expense of freeing up space and opportunity for the role players). It'll help their chances if they can keep that up, but realistically, yes, you do expect Curry and Klay to start hitting shots too. I don't expect their shooting percentages to be as bad, but I do think that type of play can keep it lower than their season average. Or who knows, maybe they'll just turn on god mode and go nuts. You'd expect they'd be good for that at least one time this series.
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I thought Lebron played great defense on Curry, but the problem with that is that he is Clevelands best defender and Curry plays 30 feet from the basket. It takes Lebron out of the entire defense and it was just a freeway to the basket and the lane for the rest of the Warriors. And even with that defense Curry was still getting a few open looks even with Lebron on him, but he was just not making them.

That is not going to work. LeBron needs to stay closer to the paint. But then that frees up shit for the splash brothers and companies to hit more threes.

Really the problem is that it is hard to win with only 2 real defenders on the floor in the NBA finals. LeBron can't clone himself being the fraud he is.
 
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There's no way 2nd game that both Curry and Klay will be off again. Cavs defense will still need to respect them both making open game for the other players.
 
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phanphare said:
this is true, all I'm saying is that if you're cleveland you've gotta be worried because it looked like they were doing everything they could to contain the warriors and not only was it not enough to win both curry and klay were missing shots that they usually make. so even with whatever perimeter defense yall are talking about curry and klay still got the looks that they wanted and you cannot bank on those not falling as the series continues.
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I feel like I'm getting misinterpreted as saying they have a good chance to win the series lol...I mean, the Cavs are underdogs for a reason. They have to maximize their chances and hope the Warriors have a bit of bad luck in order to steal a whole series from them.

I just think the job they did on Curry and Klay was probably a step in the right direction. I expect Curry and Klay to have better shooting performances, but I bet the Cavs can still keep them below their season average scoring efficiency. Shutting them down night after night is impractical/near impossible, but disrupting their groove and avoiding those 6/10, 7/12 kind of nights from 3 is a necessity if Cavs want any shot at this. Their current approach is as good as any for that particular goal, IMO.

bionic77 said:
I thought Lebron played great defense on Curry, but the problem with that is that he is Clevelands best defender and Curry plays 30 feet from the basket. It takes Lebron out of the entire defense and it was just a freeway to the basket and the lane for the rest of the Warriors. And even with that defense Curry was still getting a few open looks even with Lebron on him, but he was just not making them.

That is not going to work. LeBron needs to stay closer to the paint. But then that frees up shit for the splash brothers and companies to hit more threes.

Really the problem is that it is hard to win with only 2 real defenders on the floor in the NBA finals. LeBron can't clone himself being the fraud he is.
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Yeah, I even stated that style is at the cost of freeing up space for other guys like Iggy, Barnes, and Livingston. I still think that's their best shot though...they need to steal one game at Oracle, and hope they can hold home court back in Cleveland. And back in Cleveland, LeBron and co. will take their chances with the GS role players having to sustain that performance in a hostile road environment, than to give Curry and Klay space and more open looks. I mean, it's an uphill battle no matter how the Cavs look at it, but one is the lesser of two evils for them.
 
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I didn't get the impression that the Cavs were doing this amazing job defending Curry or Klay, but then I didn't pay too much attention to Curry and Klay running off the ball. The Cavs were definitely ready for the Curry/Klay split action as that was defended really well and the times I did watch Curry run through, he was getting bodied...but at the same time, like Phanphare said, there were just so many open shots available to Curry and Klay. I think you go away from Kyrie on Barnes but that was a bit of an unforeseen disaster (even I wasn't expecting Barnes to score on Kyrie that easily.)

I also thought it was interesting that the Cavs opened up with Lebron playing roaming free safety and the Cavs daring Draymond to shoot 3's, which will probably be more effective in Cleveland.

I don't think the Cavs totally just dominated the boards on this matchup. 47-41 was the final tally with the difference being 6 offensive boards. However, what the Cavs really need to clean up are their 19 TO's (Warriors only had 9 which is equally shocking- considering Curry had more than half of them).
 
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Well if you have more offspring than anybody else, you are the most important champion..Darwin's Champion...

Darwin's Champions
1- Genghis Khan
2- Dwight Howard.
3- Shawn Kemp
 
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bionic77 said:
I was a little surprised how low Cleveland's energy was considering they lost last year and had so much rest before the game. I thought they were going to come out with a ton of energy and honestly I never saw that from them almost all game.
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I disagree very much on this point.

Cavs played hard and were outhustling and rebounding the Warriors a lot in the first 3 quarters. Love despite being a bad defender was at least trying very hard and even stripped the ball many times on opposing players.

Cavs have to get more creative with their rotations and take advantage on offense with their mismatches. So many times, guys like Love had the smaller man on him and couldn't capitalize.
 
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BlackGhost

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Cavs had a pretty bad game, offensively they really couldn't get their game going yesterday. But the overreactions after game one are alittle much right now
 
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Mix Master

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Steph and klay played like shit and cavs still lost by 15, yeeeeesh.

Is Komrade mozgawd even there anymore? Feels like I haven't seen him since last year. Anyway I like lebron so cavs in 7 optimistically.
 
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Cheebo

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BlackGhost said:
Cavs had a pretty bad game, offensively they really couldn't get their game going yesterday. But the overreactions after game one are alittle much right now
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It's because they lost when Curry and Klay both had a terrible game. If you can't win a game where the #1 and #2 options on the opposition are cold then well... you aren't winning that series.

You lose by 15 to a team where the top two options weren't there at all.
 
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Spinluck

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Why are we talking about Ray Allen bailing out Lebron when Curry literally got bailed out by his entire team? Why does it matter? Lebron had an incredible finals last year, but no one does it alone. Not even the greats.
 
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Miracle said:
Cavs have to get more creative with their rotations and take advantage on offense with their mismatches. So many times, guys like Love had the smaller man on him and couldn't capitalize.
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That's because Love really isn't a great post up player. And guys like Andre, Barnes and Klay, while technically smaller, are plenty strong enough to make those difficult for him.
 
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Cheebo said:
It's because they lost when Curry and Klay both had a terrible game. If you can't win a game where the #1 and #2 options on the opposition are cold then well... you aren't winning that series.

You lose by 15 to a team where the top two options weren't there at all.
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Ask the guys who were defending them all night if Curry and Klay were there.
 
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BkMogul

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I advise you to not take a drink everyone Bron-Bron squint his eyes and holds up both his hands after a foul call or a made Warrior shot. You'd be drunk by the 2nd quarter.
 
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Gully State

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Fjordson said:
That's because Love really isn't a great post up player. And guys like Andre, Barnes and Klay, while technically smaller, are plenty strong enough to make those difficult for him.
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Cavs caught Love with Curry on him quite a few times but he couldn't convert any of those.. I will say the Cavs blew a fair share of good looks and layups last night too so I definitely don't think the Warriors absolutely stone walled the Cavs on defense.
 
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Spinluck said:
Why are we talking about Ray Allen bailing out Lebron when Curry literally got bailed out by his entire team? Why does it matter? Lebron had an incredible finals last year, but no one does it alone. Not even the greats.
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Nonsense.

From this day forth, all playoff games decided by John Paxon, Steve Kerr, Robert Horry, Derek Fisher, Glen Davis, "Playoff" Mike MIller, Shane Battier, and past his prime Ray Allen are declared null and void.

Hand over dem rings guys.
 
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Fjordson

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Gully State said:
Cavs caught Love with Curry on him quite a few times but he couldn't convert any of those.. I will say the Cavs blew a fair share of good looks and layups last night too so I definitely don't think the Warriors absolutely stone walled the Cavs on defense.
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I think they'll pick it up somewhat inside, but I think GS switching throws them off as far as 3 point looks. Guys like Frye were pretty well defended on the perimeter imo compared to what Toronto and Atlanta did.
 
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Cheebo said:
It's because they lost when Curry and Klay both had a terrible game. If you can't win a game where the #1 and #2 options on the opposition are cold then well... you aren't winning that series.

You lose by 15 to a team where the top two options weren't there at all.
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And the Cavs played their normal game?
 
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Gully State

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I'm so glad we have S-Dot signed to at least one more year. I can think of quite a few teams that would benefit immensely by having him slot into the starting lineup. Even when he doesn't give you offense, his versatility on the defensive end coupled with his heady play really stabilizes offenses. Dude is going to get paid next year after his contract with us is up.
 
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Gully State said:
Well if you have more offspring than anybody else, you are the most important champion..Darwin's Champion...

Darwin's Champions
1- Genghis Khan
2- Dwight Howard.
3- Shawn Kemp
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Don't you ever disrespect the reign man like that ever again.

He could father more kids at halftime than that Dwight could during his entire NBA career.
 
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PBY said:
What do you think they expect to do better?
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Pretty much everything outside of rebounding.

People seem to forget Steph and Klay struggled in the Finals at times last year as well. Klay moreso but it's not like this is some one time random event that can never possibly happen again. It already has happened several times. Klay was pretty bad the entire Finals last year.
 
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