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NBA Finals 2016 |OT| - The King demands seconds. The Chef delivers.

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Maxim726X

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I want to understand the logic here- James basically singlehandedly took the series 6 games last year. Now with Irving and Love healthy, they'll only win one or two?
 
I want to understand the logic here- James basically singlehandedly took the series 6 games last year. Now with Irving and Love healthy, they'll only win one or two?

Love and Kyrie are bad defenders and will die by the Curry/Green PnR.
Steph/Klay/Draymond are better than last season.

There's logic.
 
Golden State hasn't had a great playoffs, certainly not in comparison to their regular season. A fair bit of that is Curry's injuries, but Green and Thompson have had stretches where they've looked downright bad compared to their regular season brilliance. But it's not like the postseason triggers some switch where everything we knew about a team no longer applies. The Warriors are still the team that set the NBA record for wins. They are virtually unbeatable at home. They are the best road team in NBA history. It's a big stretch to assume that because they've had mediocre competition in the playoffs, they're underdogs to a Cavs team that has had even worse competition in the playoffs.
Green and Klay were pretty fantastic for the first 2 series, Green sucked vs OKC though. Klay has had by far his best PO year and it's not close at all.
 

Ralemont

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I want to understand the logic here- James basically singlehandedly took the series 6 games last year. Now with Irving and Love healthy, they'll only win one or two?

Their identity last year was different, with going big and being a stellar defensive team. This year they have a far greater offensive output at the cost of defense. Also, once the Warriors started Iguodala last year, the Cavs had no answer.

With that being said, I do think the Cavs are a more dangerous team this year. It utterly exhausted the Cavs starting lineup last year to even make it to 6 games. Their ceiling is higher this year. But it's not as simple as Love and Irving add an additional win or two.
 

Gigglepoo

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I want to understand the logic here- James basically singlehandedly took the series 6 games last year. Now with Irving and Love healthy, they'll only win one or two?

Kyrie and Love are poor defenders so they won't be able to run the same gameplan that gave them so much success last season. The only teams that have troubled GS are those with long-armed athletes playing suffocating defense; if the Cavs play Love and Kyrie, they won't be able to play that style and will have to outscore the Warriors. That's a recipe for failure.

Does that make sense?
 
I want to understand the logic here- James basically singlehandedly took the series 6 games last year. Now with Irving and Love healthy, they'll only win one or two?

The logic is that they did it with LeBron + tons of rebounding and scrappy D. Now you negate the latter two by going small ball and playing Kyrie and Love. The bump in scoring you get still won't be good enough to keep pace with the Warriors, who actually mindbogglingly improved their offense since last season.
 

RedAssedApe

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I want to understand the logic here- James basically singlehandedly took the series 6 games last year. Now with Irving and Love healthy, they'll only win one or two?

Kyrie and Love are poor defenders so they won't be able to run the same gameplan that gave them so much success last season. The only teams that have troubled GS are those with long-armed athletes playing suffocating defense; if the Cavs play Love and Kyrie, they won't be able to play that style and will have to outscore the Warriors. That's a recipe for failure.

Does that make sense?

matchups...what are they?
 

Cheebo

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I do love that every reason you give for the Cavs winning is different lol, shout out to the creativity at least.
He still is refusing to admit he was wrong that the Cavs are not the Vegas odds favorites what do you expect lol
 

ISOM

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I want to understand the logic here- James basically singlehandedly took the series 6 games last year. Now with Irving and Love healthy, they'll only win one or two?

Well there's trade off that no one is really talking about. I think the defense was better without Kyrie and Love last year that could have limited GS's offense. So you reinsert Kyrie and Love this year and obviously the offense is better but the defense becomes much worse.
 

XiaNaphryz

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Swauny is a troll....

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Tom Penny

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Kyrie and Love are poor defenders so they won't be able to run the same gameplan that gave them so much success last season. The only teams that have troubled GS are those with long-armed athletes playing suffocating defense; if the Cavs play Love and Kyrie, they won't be able to play that style and will have to outscore the Warriors. That's a recipe for failure.

Does that make sense?
Yep. Lue has to find a way to stagger Kyrie and Love so the lineups aren't inept defensively. Not sure how they do that because I don't see him changing the starting lineup. Cavs advantage is on the boards. I'm not sure how they will exploit that.
 
I think Lebron is tired of losing and shit and he is about to go off. Cavs in 7. Both are better teams but i feel Cavs beif fully healthy is gonna be rediculous(keep in mind the raptors for the amount of shit you people give are still an ok team and the Dubs lost to the shitty rockets once too).
 
Even the best shooter bricks the majority of their shots with constant defensive pressure. It's been proven all through the history of basketball. Shooting teams usually choke because of that very reason. Yeah the Warriors aren't normal shooting teams from years past... But I just see things differently from you Warriors fans.
 

SteveO409

Did you know Halo invented the FPS?
Do you guys/gals think this will be the highest ratings for a final series? so much storyline for the two
 
I want to understand the logic here- James basically singlehandedly took the series 6 games last year. Now with Irving and Love healthy, they'll only win one or two?

You do realize that that's not how team arithmetic works, correct?

Adding Irving and Love to a lineup will boost offensive output but simultaneously give Golden State's offense more clean looks due to hampered defense. This plays into the Warriors' playbook well.

Switching to a more defense-friendly lineup similar to what they played in last year's Finals will help lock down Golden State's guards at the expense of LeBron shouldering most of the offensive burden. Assuming LeBron can mirror the same high output, we saw last year that it still simply isn't enough.

Lue's job is to maintain a balancing act between these two spectrums of Cleveland's various rotations. Unfortunately for them, Golden State matches up well with virtually all of them. Of course, the Cavs are also employing a three-heavy small-ball lineup as of late, which Golden State matches up favorably with defensively as well.

I'm not a fan of either team, but it's difficult to ignore what's in front of you.
 

Gigglepoo

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matchups...what are they?

I do understand how someone could see how much healthier the Cavs are this year and assume they're better because of that. And, in a vacuum, that's definitely the case. Few teams can withstand the offensive barrage that Kyrie and Love provide.

But that theory crumbles when you look closer at the series. Defense does matter. I would be shocked if Love and Kyrie are both in during key fourth quarters and I honestly think the Cavs have a better shot if neither is on the floor. We'll see how Lue handles his rotations.

Yep. Lue has to find a way to stagger Kyrie and Love so the lineups aren't inept defensively. Not sure how they do that because I don't see him changing the starting lineup. Cavs advantage is on the boards. I'm not sure how they will exploit that.

Exactly. And that advantage only comes into play if the Cavs go big. And Mosgov is apparently a shell of his former self so I'm not sure how they're going to outsize the Warriors. This isn't like OKC who could put three 7-foot super athletes on the floor and not miss a beat on the offensive end.
 

Tom Penny

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Even the best shooter bricks the majority of their shots with constant defensive pressure. It's been proven all through the history of basketball. Shooting teams usually choke because of that very reason. Yeah the Warriors aren't normal shooting teams from years past... But I just see things differently from you Warriors fans.
I'd like to see a team win without shooting the ball that would be impressive.
 
I think Lebron is tired of losing and shit and he is about to go off

I agree but IMO 'going off' means looking for another team again. If they lose to GS again, it's going to be a looong off season. The cavs are a playoff team...a playoff finals team. If that's all they can be he is going to at least look around.
 

RedAssedApe

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Even the best shooter bricks the majority of their shots with constant defensive pressure. It's been proven all through the history of basketball. Shooting teams usually choke because of that very reason. Yeah the Warriors aren't normal shooting teams from years past... But I just see things differently from you Warriors fans.

where is this defensive pressure on curry coming from? last year it was deli...but dude got burned out and then steph remembered he was the mvp.
 
I agree but IMO 'going off' means looking for another team again. If they lose to GS again, it's going to be a looong off season. The cavs are a playoff team...a playoff finals team. If that's all they can be he is going to at least look around.

I could see that but honestly I think this is the year for them, yes the Warriors can shoot 3s like no other but if the bench can stop Curry somewhat like last year than theres a good chance.
 

PBY

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Even the best shooter bricks the majority of their shots with constant defensive pressure. It's been proven all through the history of basketball. Shooting teams usually choke because of that very reason. Yeah the Warriors aren't normal shooting teams from years past... But I just see things differently from you Warriors fans.

Why didn't this shooting team choke when they were down 3-1 tho
 
Even the best shooter bricks the majority of their shots with constant defensive pressure. It's been proven all through the history of basketball. Shooting teams usually choke because of that very reason. Yeah the Warriors aren't normal shooting teams from years past... But I just see things differently from you Warriors fans.

It's not a dunk contest. Both teams jack up threes.
 
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