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NBA Finals 2016 |OT| - The King demands seconds. The Chef delivers.
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this may sound dumb but why are they called the dubs?
Stormhammer
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dellavedova finals mvp
Macadinho94
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Love and Kyrie are bad defenders and will die by the Curry/Green PnR.
Steph/Klay/Draymond are better than last season.
There's logic.
The_Almighty_Swan
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I hear you brotha.... Love gonna put Draymond in foul trouble and the series is ova for da Warriors.
Warriors=W's=Dubs
LegendofDragoonLives
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Green and Klay were pretty fantastic for the first 2 series, Green sucked vs OKC though. Klay has had by far his best PO year and it's not close at all.
Their identity last year was different, with going big and being a stellar defensive team. This year they have a far greater offensive output at the cost of defense. Also, once the Warriors started Iguodala last year, the Cavs had no answer.
With that being said, I do think the Cavs are a more dangerous team this year. It utterly exhausted the Cavs starting lineup last year to even make it to 6 games. Their ceiling is higher this year. But it's not as simple as Love and Irving add an additional win or two.
Kyrie and Love are poor defenders so they won't be able to run the same gameplan that gave them so much success last season. The only teams that have troubled GS are those with long-armed athletes playing suffocating defense; if the Cavs play Love and Kyrie, they won't be able to play that style and will have to outscore the Warriors. That's a recipe for failure.
Does that make sense?
Atomic Playboy
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Short for W. Double yoo. Dub. Plural, since it's Warriors.
I do love that every reason you give for the Cavs winning is different lol, shout out to the creativity at least.
MushroomSamba
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The logic is that they did it with LeBron + tons of rebounding and scrappy D. Now you negate the latter two by going small ball and playing Kyrie and Love. The bump in scoring you get still won't be good enough to keep pace with the Warriors, who actually mindbogglingly improved their offense since last season.
W for Warriors. Same reason Bush was called Dubya
Basically just shortening the way some people pronounce the letter W in casual conversation (dub-a-you). Dubs = W's = Warriors.
The_Almighty_Swan
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RedAssedApe
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Well there's trade off that no one is really talking about. I think the defense was better without Kyrie and Love last year that could have limited GS's offense. So you reinsert Kyrie and Love this year and obviously the offense is better but the defense becomes much worse.
PrimaNocta
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Cavs in 6. Don't let me down Lebron!
True Savior
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I have no idea who to root for. I always like the underdogs but its Lebrons Cavs.
kaiju
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Okay, I think I get it now...you're the guy that had to eat his shirt if OKC lost, aren't you?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uErlwXY25Ms
The_Almighty_Swan
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ahhhh I get it now... you're the sheep that follows what everyone else is doing because they've never watched a basketball game before and think they know everything.
XiaNaphryz
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and just like that your shtick got old real quick
don't let the door hit you my brah
Whoa dude. You opened this whole thing saying the Cavs were the favorites lol.
Yep. Lue has to find a way to stagger Kyrie and Love so the lineups aren't inept defensively. Not sure how they do that because I don't see him changing the starting lineup. Cavs advantage is on the boards. I'm not sure how they will exploit that.
OfficerRaichu15
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I think Lebron is tired of losing and shit and he is about to go off. Cavs in 7. Both are better teams but i feel Cavs beif fully healthy is gonna be rediculous(keep in mind the raptors for the amount of shit you people give are still an ok team and the Dubs lost to the shitty rockets once too).
The_Almighty_Swan
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Even the best shooter bricks the majority of their shots with constant defensive pressure. It's been proven all through the history of basketball. Shooting teams usually choke because of that very reason. Yeah the Warriors aren't normal shooting teams from years past... But I just see things differently from you Warriors fans.
The_Almighty_Swan
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See you guys in a few. I'll drop some more knowledge on you guys when I get home..
CopperPuppy
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You do realize that that's not how team arithmetic works, correct?
Adding Irving and Love to a lineup will boost offensive output but simultaneously give Golden State's offense more clean looks due to hampered defense. This plays into the Warriors' playbook well.
Switching to a more defense-friendly lineup similar to what they played in last year's Finals will help lock down Golden State's guards at the expense of LeBron shouldering most of the offensive burden. Assuming LeBron can mirror the same high output, we saw last year that it still simply isn't enough.
Lue's job is to maintain a balancing act between these two spectrums of Cleveland's various rotations. Unfortunately for them, Golden State matches up well with virtually all of them. Of course, the Cavs are also employing a three-heavy small-ball lineup as of late, which Golden State matches up favorably with defensively as well.
I'm not a fan of either team, but it's difficult to ignore what's in front of you.
CrocMother
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dp
The_Almighty_Swan
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This will definitely be the highest rated Finals if it goes past 5 games.
I do understand how someone could see how much healthier the Cavs are this year and assume they're better because of that. And, in a vacuum, that's definitely the case. Few teams can withstand the offensive barrage that Kyrie and Love provide.
But that theory crumbles when you look closer at the series. Defense does matter. I would be shocked if Love and Kyrie are both in during key fourth quarters and I honestly think the Cavs have a better shot if neither is on the floor. We'll see how Lue handles his rotations.
Exactly. And that advantage only comes into play if the Cavs go big. And Mosgov is apparently a shell of his former self so I'm not sure how they're going to outsize the Warriors. This isn't like OKC who could put three 7-foot super athletes on the floor and not miss a beat on the offensive end.
I'd like to see a team win without shooting the ball that would be impressive.
CrocMother
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Before the Clippers got hurt, I thought they belonged in the conversation.
BobTheFork
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I agree but IMO 'going off' means looking for another team again. If they lose to GS again, it's going to be a looong off season. The cavs are a playoff team...a playoff finals team. If that's all they can be he is going to at least look around.
RedAssedApe
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where is this defensive pressure on curry coming from? last year it was deli...but dude got burned out and then steph remembered he was the mvp.
I look forward to your in-depth analysis on how to DP the Warriors.
OfficerRaichu15
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I could see that but honestly I think this is the year for them, yes the Warriors can shoot 3s like no other but if the bench can stop Curry somewhat like last year than theres a good chance.
Why didn't this shooting team choke when they were down 3-1 tho
Or just a plain sports fan. Or anyone other than a Cavs fan really.
MidnightCowboy
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I want LeBron to win one for The Land.
M.W.
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Going to the library to study the NBA?
Bam Bam Baklava
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It's not a dunk contest. Both teams jack up threes.
Ninja Scooter
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He's going to go watch reruns of Inside Stuff.
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