NES/Famicom Appreciation Thread

A Black Falcon said:
It's basically similar to a SNES design, just with only A and B from it.
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But in games like Super Mario World, you can actually use the y-button to run, so it doesnt matter that the placement is in that angle. Playing Super Mario-games with the dogbone on the Nes is almost impossible imo thanks to that angle.

Peltz said:
Hey guys! I'm new to Neogaf (this is my first post). Sorry for being a bit late to the NES appreciation party.

Here's my modest, and still growing, NES/Famicom collection:

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My favorite gem is this little guy:

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Nazo No Murasamejou.

I discovered it by accident and *highly* recommend it. It's probably my favorite import on the system. Does anyone else think it's weird that it was never localized for North America? It seems so polished. I guess NOA thought it was "too hard" for American gamers like Lost Levels?
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Awesome collection! I actually just beat this game on the 3DS Virtual Console, and I found it extremely hard (had to abuse the hell out of the save state-system to get past level 3). Its decent, but repetitive and too hard imo.
 
Morfeo said:
But in games like Super Mario World, you can actually use the y-button to run, so it doesnt matter that the placement is in that angle. Playing Super Mario-games with the dogbone on the Nes is almost impossible imo thanks to that angle.
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I've always thought it was really easy to roll my thumb between A and B on an SNES layout.

Never really understood why people hate it so much.
 
Sixfortyfive said:
I've always thought it was really easy to roll my thumb between A and B on an SNES layout.

Never really understood why people hate it so much.
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Because it feels completely contrary to what feels like an established standard.
That may not be true, but that's how it feels to me. Y and B is so natural feeling. B and A feels... so off and unusual.
 
Yeah, conditioning has much to do with it. YB are the main action button on SNES (and DS). Even one of the original SNES designs has BA where YB ended up going.

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Contra Contra Contra! I played that game to completion hundreds of times. I could play it over and over. Last time I tried it with a proper NES controller I beat it losing two lives. Amazing how much a game can become ingrained in your subconsciousness when you play it over and over like I did at such a young age.
 
mabec said:
Hello neogafers, first time poster (hopefully not last) and thought i share my copy of Maniac Mansion for the Famicom. Not even the same game as the NES version, but i still managed to convince Ron Gilbert to sign it
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oh man i want that just to have it lol and as for me my zombie nation came in its one of the best flying decapitated samurai head simulators around

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Polioliolio said:
Because it feels completely contrary to what feels like an established standard.
That may not be true, but that's how it feels to me. Y and B is so natural feeling. B and A feels... so off and unusual.
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Super Mario World teaches you that Y and B are the buttons you care about. The buttons are aligned to your thumb! So it drives me crazy every time I have to play a Virtual console or backwards compatibility (DS) game where you (effectively) use B A instead.
 
I played Super Mario World and Mega Man X using X to dash and B to jump, with Y as the weapon button. Give me A and B mapping for NES games any day.
 
Crazymoogle said:
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Super Mario World teaches you that Y and B are the buttons you care about. The buttons are aligned to your thumb! So it drives me crazy every time I have to play a Virtual console or backwards compatibility (DS) game where you (effectively) use B A instead.
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How do you play Super Mario NES with original controllers? You hold it sideways?
 
B and A is the tried and tested archetype of control schemes, as far as I'm concerned. It's the base line, everything else is a (possibly worthwhile) expansion on that idea.
 
Khaz said:
How do you play Super Mario NES with original controllers? You hold it sideways?
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I just handled SNES, NES, and Dogbone just now.

My thumb on NES and Dogbone is in the same position as it is on SNES Y+B.
No problem, as those are the only two buttons on the controllers. As long as they're horizontally next to each other in some way, it's fine.

On SNES, Y+B feels so good, not just because most games use them primarily with a special function on A (which takes a simple roll of the thumb at this point, where if you're primarily using B and A, how the heck to you get over to Y and X without picking up your thumb?), but because your hand is resting comfortably on the inside of the controller.

If you bring your hands up in front of you w/out a controller keeping your hands loose (elbows at a right angle) look how the thumb is positioned... Y+B, for life.
 
daydreaming said:
B and A is the tried and tested archetype of control schemes, as far as I'm concerned. It's the base line, everything else is a (possibly worthwhile) expansion on that idea.
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What I'm saying is that Y+B on an SNES is actually NES's B+A.

It's the most comfortable zone, and you can hit all other buttons with a roll of the thumb.
 
Cheesemeister said:
I played Super Mario World and Mega Man X using X to dash and B to jump, with Y as the weapon button. Give me A and B mapping for NES games any day.
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I always mapped Dash to one of the should-buttons, so I could do it all the time. Y and B fir jump and shoot!
 
RetroDLC said:
So I've managed to build a small Famicom collection after I got a few carts bundled in with a bulk lot I bought on eBay.



The ones that stand out to me the most are the TMNT and Forty Two In One pirate carts. Am I right in thinking the Retron 5 won't play anything it doesn't recognise?
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Don't know anything about the Retron 5, but most of those are unfortunately pirate copies. Contra has a black cartridge originally, Mighty Bomb Jack a yellow one. The only ones that look authentic are Dragon Spirit, Wagyan Land 2, Akira and maybe Milon's Secret Castle. Considering that, I'd check the other cartridges you bought in that lot as well.
 
man, puzzle solving in Shaowgate is...the opposite of intuitive, haha. i'm not at all far but digging this, looking forward to finally finishing it & then getting into Uninvited or Deja Vu.
 
To me the doggone/ a + b setup works just fine because I can roll my thumb between one or both of the buttons, I don't really use the joint of my thumb, just roll it?
 
IrishNinja said:
haha for some reason i always forget you're talking about that Worlds of Power series - you know i totally read the Castlevana, Metal Gear & Ninja Gaiden ones, but never Shadowgate. was that one actually good?
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Its ok for the target audience i like it but thats probably the nostalgia talking, it was one of the better ones by far though, lord the mega man one was bad
 
Peltz said:
Hey guys! I'm new to Neogaf (this is my first post). Sorry for being a bit late to the NES appreciation party.

Here's my modest, and still growing, NES/Famicom collection:

nes-collection.jpg


My favorite gem is this little guy:

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Nazo No Murasamejou.

I discovered it by accident and *highly* recommend it. It's probably my favorite import on the system. Does anyone else think it's weird that it was never localized for North America? It seems so polished. I guess NOA thought it was "too hard" for American gamers like Lost Levels?
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modest my ass, that puts my nes collection to shame...congrats, especially on the complete mega man nes set. also, nice repros, you don't see those that often in collections.
 
IrishNinja said:
man, puzzle solving in Shaowgate is...the opposite of intuitive, haha. i'm not at all far but digging this, looking forward to finally finishing it & then getting into Uninvited or Deja Vu.
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deja vu and uninvited are a little more stream lined and you dont have to worry about that damn torch mechanic of the 3 shadowgate is my least favorite but its still pretty good
 
Man, Faxanadu has some annoying parts to it - like having to buy a key to open up the dungeon doors every single time you want to enter. Made it to some strange area covered in what looks like mist - the art style of the game is interesting. Lots of browns and dark colors, kind of reminds me of a modern day western game rather than the bright colors so common with the NES library :P
 
Sometimes I just want to fly to Japan with a big empty suitcase, fill it with electronics and just come back home. I'm pretty sure it would be cheaper than to buy everything from import stores / eBay.
 
Rygar 8 Bit said:
deja vu and uninvited are a little more stream lined and you dont have to worry about that damn torch mechanic of the 3 shadowgate is my least favorite but its still pretty good
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that's a relief! the torch thing is great for adding stress but when mixed with the sort've illogical back-and-forth-trying-everything-to-see-what-doesn't-kill-me mechanic, it can be a bit mean.
i just got past the throne room, and then these 2 gargoyle statues that don't yet let me pass. making good progress!
 
God damnit!

The World Track and Field cart I picked up for, sure, only 1.99. Well it had a big awful sticker on the back... right atop the NES warnings sticker.. Slowly I peel that big honking thing off, leaving an awful sticky residue just about everywhere....

Well, I knew I could tackle that. I took a small piece of masking tape and used fire against fire.... I got a little carried away though, and ended up tearing a small triangular piece out of the lower part of the NES Warnings sticker.

And the cart was in perfect condition :( ... Sure it only cost me 1.99 and I could buy another, but the pain.. the paaaiin!!

So much regret.. why wasn't I pulling away in the direction away from the edge of the sticker? Why was I such a fool?

Comfort me.
 
shorty_symd said:
Stumbled across this today:

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Instantly thought of this page.
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Oooh, this makes me happy in all the right places.

A question though, as I'm not as familiar with the FDS: does anyone have any idea what the life expectency of the disks themselves could be? I ask because I know a lot of my old Apple 2 floppies bit the dust years ago.
 
I want to get an American NES repro of Japanese Super Mario Bros 2. Anyone know of a good place to buy from? And is the save function a concern? The original game keeps track of the number of times you beat the game and only grants access to the second quest after a certain number of playthroughs.
 
Polioliolio said:
God damnit!

The World Track and Field cart I picked up for, sure, only 1.99. Well it had a big awful sticker on the back... right atop the NES warnings sticker.. Slowly I peel that big honking thing off, leaving an awful sticky residue just about everywhere....

Well, I knew I could tackle that. I took a small piece of masking tape and used fire against fire.... I got a little carried away though, and ended up tearing a small triangular piece out of the lower part of the NES Warnings sticker.

And the cart was in perfect condition :( ... Sure it only cost me 1.99 and I could buy another, but the pain.. the paaaiin!!

So much regret.. why wasn't I pulling away in the direction away from the edge of the sticker? Why was I such a fool?

Comfort me.
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Use eucalyptus oil to remove sticky residue. Works perfectly and leaves everything else intact.

Not sure how easy it is to get outside of Australia though!
 
SeventhSon said:
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Haha, thanks. When life screws you over, drink a small tea.


D.Lo said:
Use eucalyptus oil to remove sticky residue. Works perfectly and leaves everything else intact.

Not sure how easy it is to get outside of Australia though!
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Thanks. I'll keep an eye out.

I'll just have to remember this cart personally... as the cart that taught me a valuable lesson about patience and what not to do with sticky residue.
 
shorty_symd said:
Stumbled across this today:

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Instantly thought of this page.
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Damn, those prices. Even if that SMB2 has both it and 1, that's pretty pricey.
BTails said:
Oooh, this makes me happy in all the right places.

A question though, as I'm not as familiar with the FDS: does anyone have any idea what the life expectency of the disks themselves could be? I ask because I know a lot of my old Apple 2 floppies bit the dust years ago.
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The big thing to note about FDS life expectancy is that so long as the disks are taken care of, you shouldn't expect the physical disks to go bad--meaning even if/when the data degrades, you could theoretically rewrite the data. The catch is that rewriting the disks usually requires special or modded hardware, and it's not something your average FDS enthusiast is going to get into.
 
Sixfortyfive said:
I want to get an American NES repro of Japanese Super Mario Bros 2. Anyone know of a good place to buy from? And is the save function a concern? The original game keeps track of the number of times you beat the game and only grants access to the second quest after a certain number of playthroughs.
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didn't know that last bit there, neat!
 
Discovered and watched all Retro Hunters episodes.
Really fun, and sad to see the show is no more.

Then, I unfortunately stumbled across something called Goodwill Hunters, where a overweight redneck digs through gamestop garbage so he can sell that garbage to people on ebay. There's also a camera on his face the whole time, so you can't avoid the constant heavy breathing and belching.

Ick.


edit: And by garbage, I literally mean garbage. His latest series of videos seems to be him scrounging through gamestop dumpsters, and he had beer with him.
 
Polioliolio said:
Discovered and watched all Retro Hunters episodes.
Really fun, and sad to see the show is no more.

Then, I unfortunately stumbled across something called Goodwill Hunters, where a overweight redneck digs through gamestop garbage so he can sell that garbage to people on ebay. There's also a camera on his face the whole time, so you can't avoid the constant heavy breathing and belching.

Ick.
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Have you watched The Game Hunters? That's a pretty fun show. I'll have to check out Retro Hunters
 
Friend of Sonic said:
Have you watched The Game Hunters? That's a pretty fun show. I'll have to check out Retro Hunters
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I haven't, I'll have to take a look.

I took a small glimpse at Game Chasers but they didn't have the charisma of Retro Hunters, who are just two dudes having fun. On the contrary, Game Chasers sort of frightened me, though the video I first saw of them had them with their serious faces giving a farewell to Retro Hunters.
 
Polioliolio said:
I haven't, I'll have to take a look.

I took a small glimpse at Game Chasers but they didn't have the charisma of Retro Hunters, who are just two dudes having fun. On the contrary, Game Chasers sort of frightened me, though the video I first saw of them had them with their serious faces giving a farewell to Retro Hunters.
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Err, whoops, I meant to say Game Chasers. The show grew on me about 5-6 episodes in. It seems like it takes a long times for new episodes to come out, though.
 
sixteen-bit said:
Yeah, conditioning has much to do with it. YB are the main action button on SNES (and DS). Even one of the original SNES designs has BA where YB ended up going.

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Wow. I learned something new today. If you think about it, Nintendo eventually did put the A and B buttons in that position with the N64 controller. Then, I think that SCEA copied the feel of the N64 layout which is why every company other than Nintendo has the "confirm" button on the bottom of the diamond these days. American PS1 used to have circle as "confirm" and X as "cancel" (like the good lord intended), then it just switched randomly sometime after FF7 came out.
 
Peltz said:
Wow. I learned something new today. If you think about it, Nintendo eventually did put the A and B buttons in that position with the N64 controller. Then, I think that SCEA copied the feel of the N64 layout which is why every company other than Nintendo has the "confirm" button on the bottom of the diamond these days. American PS1 used to have circle as "confirm" and X as "cancel" (like the good lord intended), then it just switched randomly sometime after FF7 came out.
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Exactly right. Sony have always been pretty brazen stealing Nintendo's controller features (layout to start with, then analogue sticks, rumble, triggers, motion, touch) and at times have required customers buy a whole new controller mid-generation to have the features they stole.

But goddamn it I wish they had stolen the letters, the shape-named buttons are so dumb. Especially when even the basic logic of X and O was reversed in the US/EU versions.

The circle is confirm in Japanese Sony consoles still, because it maintained the SNES 'logic'.

Anyway I maintain it's still fine either way for the Famicom/NES dogbone, as two buttons are not complicated enough to be a problem in any orientation.
 
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