Krathoon
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Exactly, she has that same weird face. That guy always plays nutty characters.
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Star Wars: Outlaws - Kay Vess Appreciation Thread
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Humdinger
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I don't think it's about trying to appease trans women. I suppose that could be a small factor, but I think the main factor is the same as it's always been. It is feminists' desire to scrub the world of women being portrayed as "beauty or sex objects." It's patriarchal oppression, you know. They don't have a problem with hunky men or with men portrayed as success objects. That's fine. But beautiful or sexy women? Oh no, that's sexist objectification, how dare you. That's the feminist mindset. It's been that way for a long time. We are just seeing it manifest in games lately. Well, we've seen it for a while now, beginning with Anita and her ilk., but now it's becoming more obvious in the character designs.
That's my take on it, anyhow. I don't think it's about trans. I think it's about feminism's desire to rid the world of images they think objectify women. They don't want women portrayed as beauty/sex objects, and they'll take any opportunity they can to undermine it.
That's my take on it, anyhow. I don't think it's about trans. I think it's about feminism's desire to rid the world of images they think objectify women. They don't want women portrayed as beauty/sex objects, and they'll take any opportunity they can to undermine it.
Ulysses 31
Member
It's also the "it sets an unreasonable beauty standard" that they don't like seeing pretty women in their media.
Esppiral
Member
I don't see the real actreess anywhere in that video....
jshackles
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Bluecondor
Member
X2 I've never understood why people hate on Aloy's appearance.
GymWolf
Gold Member
She is not even beefy, only her cheeks are puffy, her body is what you would expect from a woman into fitness.
Bluecondor
Member
LOL - you couldn't use a more flattering word than "beefy"?
Melon Husk
Member
Why does the Disney diversity filter only affect women? Selective face dysmorphia that is widespread among character artists? Where is this misogyny coming from?
Aloy's face is a little chubbier than the face model's... that's about it.
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Thabass
Member
Oh yeah, total airhead, but I think that's the point of her. It's one of those untapped potential, inexperienced type of roles, I think. So, far it seems to work and make her likeable in a way or rather relatable. We'll see how it progresses as the story goes farther in tho.I'm 2 hours in and i think she is a grade A dumbass.
In 2 hours she manage to put her dearest friend on the planet at risk (and dude get even shot in the leg) and she ruin a heist because she decide that asking the money with a mexican standoff while the alarm is on and the criminals are arriving was the right thing to do instead of getting clarification later
It's kinda endearing how stupid she is
ShadowNate
Member
The thread does offer many good laughs.
How is possible that the face for the same character is inconsistent across the different shots. lmao.
(I do think that at least some of the issues are clearly bugs and will be fixed with an update, although how could they have missed them on their main character, lol)
How is possible that the face for the same character is inconsistent across the different shots. lmao.
(I do think that at least some of the issues are clearly bugs and will be fixed with an update, although how could they have missed them on their main character, lol)
Luipadre
Gold Member
nah Swedish girls are hot
Solarstrike
Member
I'm here for the memes
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CuckooBananaNuts
Banned
It really needs to stop. I'm not going to give any more money to companies that do this.
She looks worse than the first game, but it's definitely not as bad as some other games. They of course had to make her a lesbian in the DLC.
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CuckooBananaNuts
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double post
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KingofHalloween
Neo Member
Yeah honestly the idea that "Aloy is ugly" is over exaggerated, in all honesty it's really fine, especially compared to the other two.
sloppyjoe_gamer
Gold Member
Yeah honestly the idea that "Aloy is ugly" is over exaggerated, in all honesty it's really fine, especially compared to the other two.
sloppyjoe_gamer
Gold Member
UBI Dev alert
DaGwaphics
Member
Yeah honestly the idea that "Aloy is ugly" is over exaggerated, in all honesty it's really fine, especially compared to the other two.
You could do the same with the Star Wars character here. In promotional shots and where the lighting is hitting in a good way the model itself isn't horrible (though still a bit of a glow down on the human model).
Plus you've got little kids turning the settings and resolution down to bare minimums for the meme shots. There is some shakiness in the animations and lighting on this one without a doubt, but it is less glaring than a lot of the shared shots make it out to be with the settings cranked up.
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Red Crayon Aristocrat
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They laughed at us for warning Sarkeesian would ruin female characters in games and sure enough it's gone beyond what anyone could have imagined.
From watered down to legit ugly, I could have lived with 2013-2015 levels maybe but I knew it would never stop there and it would keep going, but I was told that would never happen (it happened)
And always the same bland weakshit personally of "strong" wish fulfillment Mary Sue OC type characters, never allowed to be sexy, never allowed to have to genuinely struggle to achieve something, it's basically the exact same character over and over again, just pure cookie cutter garbage.
From watered down to legit ugly, I could have lived with 2013-2015 levels maybe but I knew it would never stop there and it would keep going, but I was told that would never happen (it happened)
And always the same bland weakshit personally of "strong" wish fulfillment Mary Sue OC type characters, never allowed to be sexy, never allowed to have to genuinely struggle to achieve something, it's basically the exact same character over and over again, just pure cookie cutter garbage.
Dictattor
Member
CuckooBananaNuts
Banned
The "it's the lighting" narrative can stop now. Thanks.You could do the same with the Star Wars character here. In promotional shots and where the lighting is hitting in a good way the model itself isn't horrible (though still a bit of a glow down on the human model).
Plus you've got little kids turning the settings and resolution down to bare minimums for the meme shots. There is some shakiness in the animations and lighting on this one without a doubt, but it is less glaring than a lot of the shared shots make it out to be with the settings cranked up.
Von Hugh
Gold Member
Just a normal woman with a penis.
DaGwaphics
Member
I mean that's what serious reviewers have pointed out in detailed videos online. You can choose to believe whatever you want.
The game is ugly at low settings on PC and is hardly a looker on console which makes it easier to cherry pick the bad moments, but with everything cranked up the face doesn't animate nearly as bad.
CuckooBananaNuts
Banned
The lighting made her teeth crooked.
Unknown Soldier
Member
Why does Aloy have male-pattern baldness hairline?Yeah honestly the idea that "Aloy is ugly" is over exaggerated, in all honesty it's really fine, especially compared to the other two.
BlackTron
Member
Because women are threatened by hotter women, and like looking at hot men. I could go deeper, but that's pretty much it.
Edit: I felt I should qualify this as not to cast some blanket statement. Obviously all women aren't the same. Look at the reaction to Stellar Blade, plenty of women think the character is cool and even cosplay her. But dysfunctional people who do feel threatened are over represented at studios and the mandate also comes from Sweet Baby, if not the ire of the horde if you don't abide by its rules (thus the backlash to games like Stellar Blade).
It's unbelievably petty, but it comes down to low self esteem of "marginalized" groups who want to level the playing field, and don't want men to have the luxury of looking at a woman hotter than them without having to bother acknowledging that they exist. It's also a bit of a "if we can't have it, you can't" deal.
I know, imagine giving a shit that a woman is playing a game starring an attractive guy. It's the same as giving a shit what her hobbies are. You don't care at all, but you shouldn't have any that takes attention away from her. This is just the extreme toxic manifestation of this shit.
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DaGwaphics
Member
Low internal resolution in the shots in the OP broke the resolve of the image, sure. It's not a realistic representation of the character in the game. You could do the same with Jedi Survivor as well, if you push the settings and internal resolution down too far things get ugly real quick.
I'm not saying the character is a supermodel, she isn't. But, on average she doesn't look like a deformed alien.
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CuckooBananaNuts
Banned
No, her teeth are crooked in high resolution.
Kamina
Golden Boy
What in the fuck
Bernardougf
Member
This picture will never stop to be funny...
drizzledre1018
Banned
Remember when back in 2018-19 everyone was adamant that this wasn’t being done on purpose? Now they don’t even try to hide it
Singular7
Member
Ubisoft should have asked China for help:
Side note -- Asians are the only actual white people. "white people" are more of a pink-tan hue. The girl on the right is basically #FFFFFF
I officially declare a new race called Pinkish-hue Tan People which originate in Europe, which we can now all hate for various reasons.
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DaGwaphics
Member
I don't see it. I definitely don't think the original model here has crooked teeth. Maybe there is a technical issue that does that at some point, I don't know. There are moments when the eyes are uncanny, especially at weaker settings.
CuckooBananaNuts
Banned
We all have eyes. I've watched HD gameplay footage. You can keep trying to gaslight people in here, but nobody is buying it. Thanks.
I don't see it. I definitely don't think the original model here has crooked teeth. Maybe there is a technical issue that does that at some point, I don't know. There are moments when the eyes are uncanny, especially at weaker settings.
DaGwaphics
Member
Bernardougf
Member
put her hair short and throw a beard and its a man with some feminine traces ... I dont think it was their intention though... the actress is close but has a slimmer face with a proportional femine jaw... in my mind they wanted Aloy to look stronger and project this in her face since her body is mostly covered and is not muscular... so a stronger jawline makes sense .. they kept most of the original actress mid to upper face.. so I really dont think they were trying to uglify or make her more male. .. why make her face chubby in the second game is a mystery though.
CuckooBananaNuts
Banned
Yes, I'll keep using my eyes. Thanks. Denying reality doesn't make it go away. We literally have an entire thread dedicated to this, and your best response is, "Nuh uh!"
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sloppyjoe_gamer
Gold Member
They knew exactly what they were doing. It's up to you if you want to ignore it or not.
Bernardougf
Member
Maybe .. I wouldn't put my hand on the fire for them thats for sure ... in any way her looks were the least of the problems... her bitch boss girl attitude though, yeah, fuck that shitty game.
They knew exactly what they were doing. It's up to you if you want to ignore it or not.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Only because we bitched and moaned about it forcing them to change the character model after the backlash.Yeah honestly the idea that "Aloy is ugly" is over exaggerated, in all honesty it's really fine, especially compared to the other two.
It looked like this before.
DaGwaphics
Member
I showed you a shot of the CGI model (presumably the highest quality version of this model that exists) with an open mouth and no sign of crooked teeth. Hey, if you think they made a second snaggletooth model for shits and giggles, be my guest. It's much more likely that when you turn things down to the lowest settings the model doesn't hold and things start to look weird. But, believe what you want, surely. We've been down the same road with Last of Us on PC. There is a difference between the artistic intent (everything maxed to highest level of detail) and running with compromised settings, that's all I'm saying. The op images here are not indicative of the artistic intent for this character.
Also, for future reference, don't use the existence of inane debate on the internet as proof of anything. If anything can be said, it probably has been said somewhere online and means nothing on its own.
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Isa
Gold Member
That's where I'm at. They haven't gotten a dime from me for more than a year now and going strong sadly. If they make something I want to buy then I'd gladly support them but until then my money goes to mainly Asian developers. Some western indie stuff too but that's because they don't skimp on the goods.
My girlfriend won't even look at a game with ugly characters lol. She hay que feo or huffs her way out of the room hurling insults when I show her stuff like this. Its always, "pero porqueeeee?". Same thing with architecture and "modern art"