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New 90 second Clip of Avengers: Age of Ultron

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Ein Bear

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9 times out of 10, I loves me some Joss Whedon, but he does have a bad habit on blaming others for his misfires.

His script for Alien 4 was godawful, and the "Toad struck by lightning" line in X-Men is terrible regardless of how it's delivered. Just admit it, Joss. We all fuck up every now and then.
 

-griffy-

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9 times out of 10, I loves me some Joss Whedon, but he does have a bad habit on blaming others for his misfires.

His script for Alien 4 was godawful, and the "Toad struck by lightning" line in X-Men is terrible regardless of how it's delivered. Just admit it, Joss. We all fuck up every now and then.

What does the X-men line have to do with Joss Whedon?
 
9 times out of 10, I loves me some Joss Whedon, but he does have a bad habit on blaming others for his misfires.

His script for Alien 4 was godawful, and the "Toad struck by lightning" line in X-Men is terrible regardless of how it's delivered. Just admit it, Joss. We all fuck up every now and then.

From what I remember hearing the Toad thing from Xmen was originally longer with Toad goading her with what he (Toad) could do. The lightning quip from Storm was the only thing to survive into the movie.
 

Blader

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From what I remember hearing the Toad thing from Xmen was originally longer with Toad goading her with what he (Toad) could do. The lightning quip from Storm was the only thing to survive into the movie.

yeah, it's a wrongly delivered punchline to a bunch of excised set-up.
 

- J - D -

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I attribute some of the awkwardness of the "struck by lightning" line to Halle Berry's delivery, which was much too grave for what was supposed to be light quip.

edit: what blader said.
 

-griffy-

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Was this Vulture article posted? Seems particularly relevant after people drawing comparisons between the out of context single Hulkbuster clip and Man of Steel:

How Avengers: Age of Ultron Handles Destruction Better Than Man of Steel said:
As Superman and Zod flew around Metropolis, slamming each other into falling buildings, the scene devolved into an orgiastic display of 9/11-reminiscent destruction, with countless citizens surely perishing offscreen and a large part of the city leveled by the end.

I thought about that third-act carnage a lot while watching Avengers: Age of Ultron, which places an unusual emphasis on evacuating and saving innocent people. There's always been a little bit of that in most Marvel movies — in both Captain America: The Winter Soldier and Guardians of the Galaxy, for example, the heroes make it a point to evacuate cities before destruction rains down — but that emphasis seems much more pronounced in Ultron, where nearly every major action scene revolves around protecting the poor, innocent people who could be collateral damage in a typical hero-villain brawl.

"Something that Kevin and I talked about from the start was that we'd seen a little bit of a trend in movies where the city gets destroyed and the heroes say, 'We won!' And I'm thinking, Define 'win.'"

With Ultron, said Whedon, the filmmaker wanted to "get back to what's important, which is that the people you're trying to protect are people. We knew that we wanted to play with a lot of big, fun destruction, but at the same time, we wanted to say, 'There's a price for this.' So we got very specific about it, because whether the Avengers are heroes or not is called into question in this movie, or whether the hero as a concept is still useful for society. It sort of becomes the central issue in the final battle, and it's also a good way for Earth's Mightiest Heroes to be put at a disadvantage."
 

richiek

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With all the talk of collateral damage in the beginning of this thread, it looks like Joss and co listened:

How Avengers: Age of Ultron Handles Destruction Better Than Man of Steel

When I sat down with Ultron writer-director Joss Whedon this past weekend, I asked him if he and Marvel Studios head Kevin Feige felt a duty to portray the effects of all that metropolitan devastation responsibly.

"Absolutely, yes," said Whedon. "Something that Kevin and I talked about from the start was that we'd seen a little bit of a trend in movies where the city gets destroyed and the heroes say, 'We won!' And I'm thinking, Define 'win.'"

With Ultron, said Whedon, the filmmaker wanted to "get back to what's important, which is that the people you're trying to protect are people. We knew that we wanted to play with a lot of big, fun destruction, but at the same time, we wanted to say, 'There's a price for this.' So we got very specific about it, because whether the Avengers are heroes or not is called into question in this movie, or whether the hero as a concept is still useful for society. It sort of becomes the central issue in the final battle, and it's also a good way for Earth's Mightiest Heroes to be put at a disadvantage."
 

J10

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I wonder if whedon and Feige had the balls to have ultron
murder an entire country full of peoplw
like in the Busiek story.

That's what it looks like in the TV spots.
The drones appear to be lifting a chunk of a city into the air and then letting it drop.
 

DaveH

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With all the talk of collateral damage in the beginning of this thread, it looks like Joss and co listened:

How Avengers: Age of Ultron Handles Destruction Better Than Man of Steel

I'm heartened that Joss and Kevin were careful about it, albeit it somewhat unrealistically, however, the Vulture writer falls into the trap of impression rather than fact.

Vulture said:
The biggest sticking point for many fans was how the movie's final battle was handled. As Superman and Zod flew around Metropolis, slamming each other into falling buildings, the scene devolved into an orgiastic display of 9/11-reminiscent destruction, with countless citizens surely perishing offscreen and a large part of the city leveled by the end.
Superman and Zod never flew around Metropolis to be slammed into a falling building.

There were falling, abandoned buildings, before Zod could fly. Then there were standing building slammed into which didn't fall. Then there was flying over a largely intact- before, during, and after- city.

It's so odd that the impressions people have taken away have completely rewritten the narrative to be actually counter-factual... like literally not what happened on screen yet what people recall and write about.
 

Crud

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I'm heartened that Joss and Kevin were careful about it, albeit it somewhat unrealistically, however, the Vulture writer falls into the trap of impression rather than fact.


Superman and Zod never flew around Metropolis to be slammed into a falling building.

There were falling, abandoned buildings, before Zod could fly. Then there were standing building slammed into which didn't fall. Then there was flying over a largely intact- before, during, and after- city.

It's so odd that the impressions people have taken away have completely rewritten the narrative to be actually counter-factual... like literally not what happened on screen yet what people recall and write about.

No lies detected.
 

Ermac

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Why does every single human caught in the destruction have to safely leave before the superheros start fighting? Is it not reasonable to say some people will perish in the process? I don't want superheros in movies saying "Hello citizen, please evacuate," to every person every time before a battle starts.

Snyder even said he wanted mass deaths to symbolize disasters, similar to ancient mythology.
 
The only good 9/11 allusion in all of superhero film is the stuff in Iron Man 3, where the film actively mocks Tony Stark for being excessively hung up on the New York disaster and the message of the film seems to be largely "christ, get over it and stop thinking bin laden is the most dangerous person in the world."

But good god has there been an overuse of 9/11 imagery.
 

Raptor

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Why does every single human caught in the destruction have to safely leave before the superheros start fighting? Is it not reasonable to say some people will perish in the process? I don't want superheros in movies saying "Hello citizen, please evacuate," to every person every time before a battle starts.

Snyder even said he wanted mass deaths to symbolize disasters, similar to ancient mythology.

No, every single person must be saved by our heroes if not it will be deemed a failure even if they win the battle against a threat larger than life that could had wiped out the entire human civilization, and after that the movie will get torn to pieces on the internet because not every single person was saved.
 

Alienous

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With all the talk of collateral damage in the beginning of this thread, it looks like Joss and co listened:

How Avengers: Age of Ultron Handles Destruction Better Than Man of Steel

When I sat down with Ultron writer-director Joss Whedon this past weekend, I asked him if he and Marvel Studios head Kevin Feige felt a duty to portray the effects of all that metropolitan devastation responsibly.

"Absolutely, yes," said Whedon. "Something that Kevin and I talked about from the start was that we'd seen a little bit of a trend in movies where the city gets destroyed and the heroes say, 'We won!' And I'm thinking, Define 'win.'"

With Ultron, said Whedon, the filmmaker wanted to "get back to what's important, which is that the people you're trying to protect are people. We knew that we wanted to play with a lot of big, fun destruction, but at the same time, we wanted to say, 'There's a price for this.' So we got very specific about it, because whether the Avengers are heroes or not is called into question in this movie, or whether the hero as a concept is still useful for society. It sort of becomes the central issue in the final battle, and it's also a good way for Earth's Mightiest Heroes to be put at a disadvantage."

Hahaha.

However, reading this, I get the feeling that the 'negative' interpretation of the kind of destruction in these superhero movies
works in their favour for Civil War, no?
.
 
No, every single person must be saved by our heroes if not it will be deemed a failure even if they win the battle against a threat larger than life that could had wiped out the entire human civilization, and after that the movie will get torn to pieces on the internet because not every single person was saved.

all-star-superman-660x650.jpg


This is what real Superman looks like.
 

DaveH

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This is what real Superman looks like.
People who post this image never post the scene where Superman lets a bunch of guards potentially die at Parasite's hands to preserve his identity (despite being terminally ill) in the prison... or the collateral in any of the fight sequences.

Priorities shift during the heat of battle.
 
Have people seen the "Avengers Drinking Game" video yet? Haven't been in a Avengers Thread for a little so just wondering. Captain America trying to lift it is pretty funny.. If you look it maybe spoilers
 
It sounds so much better here than in the previously released clip.

In the original clip, what was weird is that Ultron's movements had no SFX behind it, his body moved but you'd think a mechanical body would make some kind of noise when it moves, the way they make Tony's suit make noise when it moves. I think they may have just done that for the clip so you can make out Spader's voice better, and it may not be the final mix. It was still kind of weird though.
 

Blader

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No, every single person must be saved by our heroes if not it will be deemed a failure even if they win the battle against a threat larger than life that could had wiped out the entire human civilization, and after that the movie will get torn to pieces on the internet because not every single person was saved.

It's not the collateral damage, it's the lack of awareness about it in the movie.
 

Cuburt

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Why does every single human caught in the destruction have to safely leave before the superheros start fighting? Is it not reasonable to say some people will perish in the process? I don't want superheros in movies saying "Hello citizen, please evacuate," to every person every time before a battle starts.

Snyder even said he wanted mass deaths to symbolize disasters, similar to ancient mythology.

But in lots of mythology, gods didn't seem to give af about human lives. That's kind of the point, as if to explain catastrophic, disastrous events as something gods are going to do regardless of the cost.

Obviously, they realistically aren't going to save every single person from some impending doom, but doesn't it make sense that if they are trying to protect people, that they actually make more of an effort?

Besides the obvious 9/11 imagery that's intentionally invoked, there is the perhaps unintentional allegory of some U.S. foreign relations.

It's like bombing the shit out of Iraq and then standing in front of a sign saying mission accomplished before rolling credits when there are years of nation building necessary after the fact. It's something that's been parodied many times over about superheroes that they come and fight, which causes collateral damage, then they fly away from the wreckage like, "No need to thank me, I'm just doing my job." while every injured innocent bystander applauds. Having people be concerned with the damage before it even happens seems like a reasonable approach to me. Maybe that's just the difference between DC and Marvel, I don't think it's necessarily true, but DC heroes are treated more like gods and Marvel heroes are more like ordinary people who would worry about ordinary things like innocent lives. If that's what people want to see, that's what they want to see.

No, every single person must be saved by our heroes if not it will be deemed a failure even if they win the battle against a threat larger than life that could had wiped out the entire human civilization, and after that the movie will get torn to pieces on the internet because not every single person was saved.

Showing concern for the safety of the people you are trying to protect seems like part of the job. The action scenes in MoS didn't bother me like they seemed to bother many others (I actually liked the movie) but it does seem like a weird disconnect, especially when Superman is turning against his own people in order to save his adopted home while he is the one pushing the Kryptonians into the buildings and causing tons of collateral damage.

I mean, he's basically the one responsible for blowing up that gas station which was probably the only gas station is a small rural town like that and there was a car at the pump which means there had to have been at least one person there getting gas that is now dead. Kal is practically always the one who is throwing the Kryptonians into buildings and not the other way around and yet after all the destruction, he has to kill Zod to save one small family as if it's something that's never occurred to him before that people could be dying. If the cost of a few lives is outweighed by the many, why did he sudden have a change of heart over a random "disposable" family? That scene was supposed to show such a desperate scenario that force Kal to kill, right? If random lives were so important, he should have been trying to kill them as soon as it escalated to the point that it's clear they were willing to wipe out life on the entire planet, yet it seems like he's still trying to plead with Zod up until he's about to laser the family in half. Again, it didn't ruin my enjoyment of the movie, I just took it all for what it was, but it surely stuck out like a sore thumb..
 
Was this Vulture article posted? Seems particularly relevant after people drawing comparisons between the out of context single Hulkbuster clip and Man of Steel:

Gaaaah.

This whole "Supes and Zod killed a bunch of people fighting!" narrative is really annoying. I'm glad that Ultron is being careful to show them saving people, because that's good, but those buildings that got smashed? They were empty. The World Engine is what did the majority of the damage, and people were already running like hell. The first time we see people was in the train station, where
Zod gets his neck snapped for trying to kill them.
 

enzo_gt

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Here's a couple more promo things.

https://twitter.com/drpepper/status/585933807502565376

https://twitter.com/drpepper/status/588470156105416704

In the second video Ultron's voice sounds different than it did in the first clip of the same scene. It remains to be seen which take ends up in the movie, I guess.

Hopefully it's the one that's less clear.

Holy fuck that
War Machine footage!
 
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