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New 90 second Clip of Avengers: Age of Ultron

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I just took the jokes as Tony trying to get through to Banner. Even if he isn't supposed to mention puny Banner.

We know in the end the film will just be Whedon going full nerd and giving us tons of his favorite Avengers moments while he still can.
 
That has nothing to do with what I am saying.

Tony is a whole lot mature at the end of Iron Man 3 than what was displayed here.

There's nothing that would indicate that he's no longer a snarky guy that doesn't make light of tough situations. Things will certainly happen in this movie that humble him but we're looking at a very small highly edited clip.

He was trying to appeal to Banner to stop the Hulk's rampage. Should he be yelling at his friend instead?
 
What?

He was making jokes at the end, even on Extremis-Pepper's entrance versus Killian after her supposedly sad death.

The jokes are different here. I understand he does it as a self-defense mechanism when fighting but there is always a sense of seriousness to him. Here it seems like he isn't taking anything serious and just letting shit get destroyed.

Now, that can be because it's fucking editing horrible.

There's nothing that would indicate that he's no longer a snarky guy that doesn't make light of tough situations. Things will certainly happen in this movie that humble him but we're looking at a very small highly edited clip.

I really hope it's just an edited clip because those transitions...
 

Renekton

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The jokes are different here. I understand he does it as a self-defense mechanism when fighting but there is always a sense of seriousness to him. Here it seems like he isn't taking anything serious and just letting shit get destroyed.
"It's a different type of joke, like more serious!"

- Pepper, the person he cares most about, just died and came back.

- Shit gets destroyed all the time around Iron Man
 

guek

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Holy shit at the hate in this thread. I thought that clip was great.

In the echo chambers known as internet forums, I think the more clips and peaks Marvel puts out, the more ammo people critical of the MCU feel they have. Obviously they put out these clips to get people excited, and they generally do for the most part, but a lot of the people who are hyper-critical of Marvel franchises just see it as an opportunity to try and forcefully apply whatever pre-conceived biases they have to new, out of context, edited down footage. Most of these types of posters have become increasingly vocal the closer we get to the release date, giving the semblance of lots of negativity when it's usually the same half a dozen or so people who are trying to tear the hype down. Pre-sale tickets seem to suggest the anticipation for this one is even greater than the first though so I really don't think it's indicative of any larger sense of dissatisfaction or pessimism among audiences.
 
I think people are a little too hasty to compare this to Man of Steel's fights in a feverish attempt to point out the 'hypocrisy' of the film's critics, we have two drastically situations at play here. There were a few points in the former where Superman had deliberate choice of where to angle the fight so as to reduce collateral damage in the city, but for weird reasons decided not to. Case in point, when he tackled the fuck out of Zod, barreled him straight through the field and past several neighbourhoods for about half a minute, then whips straight through a gas station, causing it to explode and collapse on itself.

Another scene has Zod launching an enormous truck towards Clark with a simple nudge of his foot, and the latter hops over it like a minor nuisance becfore the truck...impacts the parking garage directly behind him, detonates, and, again, causes the structure to collapse inwardly on itself. Both of those instances depict extreme carelessness on Clark's part because civilian deaths that he could have easily prevented may have most likely transpired.

Here? I'm not sure you could apply those same criticisms to Stark here, he's not in control of the fight at all, as Clark was when he first assaulted Zod through said gas station. He tried subduing Hulk by burrowing him through the ground, but was kicked off rather easily. Every other exchange had Tony fighting to get some distance between them, because when it came down to it, Hulk was simply stronger physically, by a considerable amount. Sure, he could have displayed a little more care when he blasted Hulk with a repulsor into the adjacent building, but to do that would have significantly risked his chance of surviving the fight.
 

Sober

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The clip is edited down with obvious transitions being left out/cut.
Yeah I'd rather just watch it in context. Either bigger spoilers are being edited out or the fight scene is being intercut with something else (and with bigger spoilers).
 

Black_Stride

do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
I'm pretty sure that scene is filmed in Johannesburg...

well obviously, they had to take the fight somewhere away from the important cities.

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Damn son, thats some cold blooded shit.

Damn, 1 week to go, i think i can hold it together.
 

Error

Jealous of the Glory that is Johnny Depp
CGI looks on-point as expected, but I'm not sure about that filter. hopefully it's just in that scene.
 

BadAss2961

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I think people are a little too hasty to compare this to Man of Steel's fights in a feverish attempt to point out the 'hypocrisy' of the film's critics, we have two drastically situations at play here. There were a few points in the former where Superman had deliberate choice of where to angle the fight so as to reduce collateral damage in the city, but for weird reasons decided not to. Case in point, when he tackled the fuck out of Zod, barreled him straight through the field and past several neighbourhoods for about half a minute, then whips straight through a gas station, causing it to explode and collapse on itself.

Another scene has Zod launching an enormous truck towards Clark with a simple nudge of his foot, and the latter hops over it like a minor nuisance becfore the truck...impacts the parking garage directly behind him, detonates, and, again, causes the structure to collapse inwardly on itself. Both of those instances depict extreme carelessness on Clark's part because civilian deaths that he could have easily prevented may have most likely transpired.

Here? I'm not sure you could apply those same criticisms to Stark here, he's not in control of the fight at all, as Clark was when he first assaulted Zod through said gas station. He tried subduing Hulk by burrowing him through the ground, but was kicked off rather easily. Every other exchange had Tony fighting to get some distance between them, because when it came down to it, Hulk was simply stronger physically, by a considerable amount. Sure, he could have displayed a little more care when he blasted Hulk with a repulsor into the adjacent building, but to do that would have significantly risked his chance of surviving the fight.
To complain about the destruction is stupid either way. Stop trying to explain why this is any different, especially as Stark sounds like he's just playing a game of Smash Bros or some shit.
 

-Plasma Reus-

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Tony is like a caricature now. Every line he says has to be a joke or snarky.

RDJ delivery has gotten worse with each movie too.

mehhhh fight seemed like it would be so much cooler than what i'm seeing in this clip.

such reckless destruction too, tony stark cracking shitty jokes while people are dying all around him and property is being destroyed



phoning in his lines...literally. we're gonna see that he was at home the whole time in the film and he was operating the suits remotely.

I agree with these gentlemen. However, the actual clip is FUCKING AWESOME.
 
I think people are a little too hasty to compare this to Man of Steel's fights in a feverish attempt to point out the 'hypocrisy' of the film's critics, we have two drastically situations at play here. There were a few points in the former where Superman had deliberate choice of where to angle the fight so as to reduce collateral damage in the city, but for weird reasons decided not to. Case in point, when he tackled the fuck out of Zod, barreled him straight through the field and past several neighbourhoods for about half a minute, then whips straight through a gas station, causing it to explode and collapse on itself.

Another scene has Zod launching an enormous truck towards Clark with a simple nudge of his foot, and the latter hops over it like a minor nuisance becfore the truck...impacts the parking garage directly behind him, detonates, and, again, causes the structure to collapse inwardly on itself. Both of those instances depict extreme carelessness on Clark's part because civilian deaths that he could have easily prevented may have most likely transpired.

Here? I'm not sure you could apply those same criticisms to Stark here, he's not in control of the fight at all, as Clark was when he first assaulted Zod through said gas station. He tried subduing Hulk by burrowing him through the ground, but was kicked off rather easily. Every other exchange had Tony fighting to get some distance between them, because when it came down to it, Hulk was simply stronger physically, by a considerable amount. Sure, he could have displayed a little more care when he blasted Hulk with a repulsor into the adjacent building, but to do that would have significantly risked his chance of surviving the fight.

I wanted to say this also the two scenes hulk gets close enough to Tony for him to either fly Bruce away or send subdue him the hulk easily stops him. When Tony slams him on the ground Hulk kicks him like nothing happened. As opposed to when Hulk pinned Tony and started ripping through Hulkbuster like it was paper.
 
To complain about the destruction is stupid either way. Stop trying to explain why this is any different, especially as Stark sounds like he's just playing a game of Smash Bros or some shit.

Both of the instances I mentioned of Superman's recklessness would serve as scenes worth criticizing. The best explanation you could possibly offer would be that Superman used X-ray vision to check whether or not the gas station was empty or not, but I sincerely doubt he'd bother at all given how focused he was on pummeling Zod. Not that that excuses his carelessness either way.

And you're taking this scene out of context. Tony naturally has a jokey personality, and he's connected to Banner on a personal level. Using his usual mannerisms could be Stark's attempt (albeit, failed) to getting through to Banner. Regardless, I'd wait until we've seen the entire scene before trying to make fallcious equalizations.
 
coming from daredevil and then looking at this just...eh....

Yeah. I think appreciating the Avengers means being desensitized to the violence and destruction, but Daredevil was all about sensitizing as much. So all I saw in this clip were dollar signs next to each bit of torn up road and smashed wall.
 

Nether!

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I grew up with Marvel so maybe that's why I get so giddy when I see absolutely anything they put out.
Don't care, love it!
 

BadAss2961

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Both of the instances I mentioned of Superman's recklessness would serve as scenes worth criticizing. The best explanation you could possibly offer would be that Superman used X-ray vision to check whether or not the gas station was empty or not, but I sincerely doubt he'd bother at all given how focused he was on pummeling Zod. Not that that excuses his carelessness either way.

And you're taking this scene out of context. Tony naturally has a jokey personality, and he's connected to Banner on a personal level. Using his usual mannerisms could be Stark's attempt (albeit, failed) to getting through to Banner. Regardless, I'd wait until we've seen the entire scene before trying to make fallcious equalizations.
You can't be serious.

It's another situation of two wrecking balls smashing each other through buildings in a crowded city, and they're not even close to being as powerful as Supes and Zod were in MoS (more power, more destruction.) Zod's plan at that point was to kill everyone, so it's not like Superman could've moved the fight somewhere else. Neither can Stark in this situation, but Hulk is a bit of a mindless creature that could be drawn away -- easier than Zod at least.

The wait and see the context approach to Stark's banter is laughable. We already know the character and how he's like that in every situation. His jokes aren't an attempt to calm banner... So yeah, anyone defending this while tearing down the destruction in Man of Steel is a hypocrite. There's no excuses, but there shouldn't have to be. It was a dumb criticism then, and it is now.
 
You can't be serious.

It's another situation of two wrecking balls smashing each other through buildings in a crowded city, and they're not even close to being as powerful as Supes and Zod were in MoS (more power, more destruction.) Zod's plan at that point was to kill everyone, so it's not like Superman could've moved the fight somewhere else. Neither can Stark in this situation, but Hulk is a bit of a mindless creature that could be drawn away -- easier than Zod at least.

Did you even read what I posted before opting to fire off another empty rebuttal?

Re-read exactly why Superman's moments of pure recklessness are as such. It has absolutely nothing to do with Zod's power. Zod's power wasn't the reason Superman pile-drived his adversary right through a populated area and into a gas station, causing it to detonate; it wasn't the reason Superman casually hopped over a truck full of oil as it careened straight into a parking garage.

It's because of his negligence. Plain and simple.

The wait and see the context approach to Stark's banter is laughable. We already know the character and how he's like that in every situation. His jokes aren't an attempt to calm banner... So yeah, anyone defending this while tearing down the destruction in Man of Steel is a hypocrite. There's no excuses, but there shouldn't have to be. It was a dumb criticism then, and it is now.

Ah, see, I don't have to take you seriously after all.

Listen here, Tony 'making jokes' isn't = allowing innocent lives to perish as a result of your bizarre disregard for them, as Clark in Man of Steel depicted in the scenes I was talking about. Just because Tony isn't gritting his teeth in concentration against Hulk doesn't mean he doesn't care about the collateral damage that's resulting from the fight.

In any case, any potential civilian injuries caused in Tony vs. Hulk are actually because of Hulk's overwhelming power, unlike Superman vs. Zod in both the cases I mentioned, where Zod's power was irrelevant to Superman's decisions.
 

Error

Jealous of the Glory that is Johnny Depp
this is just a 90 seconds clip...

BvS trailer thread is gonna be a bloodbath, holy shit.
 

guek

Banned
Did you even read what I posted before opting to fire off another empty rebuttal?

Re-read exactly why Superman's moments of pure recklessness are as such. It has absolutely nothing to do with Zod's power. Zod's power wasn't the reason Superman pile-drived his adversary right through a populated area and into a gas station, causing it to detonate; it wasn't the reason Superman casually hopped over a truck full of oil as it careened straight into a parking garage.

It's because of his negligence. Plain and simple.



Ah, see, I don't have to take you seriously after all.

Listen here, Tony 'making jokes' isn't = allowing innocent lives to perish as a result of your bizarre disregard for them, as Clark in Man of Steel depicted in the scenes I was talking about. Just because Tony isn't gritting his teeth in concentration against Hulk doesn't mean he doesn't care about the collateral damage that's resulting from the fight.

In any case, any potential civilian injuries caused in Tony vs. Hulk are actually because of Hulk's overwhelming power, unlike Superman vs. Zod in both the cases I mentioned, where Zod's power was irrelevant to Superman's decisions.
As much as I agree with you, you're wasting your time. There are positions that some otherwise reasonable posters are incapable reconsidering. In fact, most people probably have topics like that, despite how much they'd like to believe they're immune. I probably do.
 

BadAss2961

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Did you even read what I posted before opting to fire off another empty rebuttal?

Re-read exactly why Superman's moments of pure recklessness are as such. It has absolutely nothing to do with Zod's power. Zod's power wasn't the reason Superman pile-drived his adversary right through a populated area and into a gas station, causing it to detonate; it wasn't the reason Superman casually hopped over a truck full of oil as it careened straight into a parking garage.

It's because of his negligence. Plain and simple.



Ah, see, I don't have to take you seriously after all.

Listen here, Tony 'making jokes' isn't = allowing innocent lives to perish as a result of your bizarre disregard for them, as Clark in Man of Steel depicted in the scenes I was talking about. Just because Tony isn't gritting his teeth in concentration against Hulk doesn't mean he doesn't care about the collateral damage that's resulting from the fight.

In any case, any potential civilian injuries caused in Tony vs. Hulk are actually because of Hulk's overwhelming power, unlike Superman vs. Zod in both the cases I mentioned, where Zod's power was irrelevant to Superman's decisions.
Wow, you really are serious.

Wanna talk negligence? Okay... What about Tony's negligence? In a heavily edited 90 second clip we have him laser Hulk right into what appears to be a moving truck. Truck driver could easily be dead... Stark later follows that one up by knocking Hulk about a football field away, where the camera even shows a civilian being knocked over by that. That guy could be seriously inured or even dead too. Even Man of Steel wasn't careless enough to show civilians being harmed by Superman's actions.

And Stark's joking throughout the whole thing. Apparently Iron Man gives no fucks for your safety.
 
Superman was a negligent noob in man of steel for sure

But anyways dismissing the destruction complaints and all that this clip just ain't that hot with Tony's flat jokes

I love stark a lot, I actually really like iron man 3. But Whedon is pretty terrible at the humorous dialogue that people give him credit as being "witty". Shane black runs circles around him. Also 'time and place', it gets a bit tiring when you get all these wisecracks (that don't even land tbh) in a clip where he's literally trying to stop a beast from destroying everything aroubd him
 

Mr.Swag

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The jokes are for the kids yo, obvious with avengers and IM3 that Stark is the kid favorite.

Gotta sell some toys.


Floating thing was cool.


Bet its gonna be a toy
 
Wow, you really are serious.

Wanna talk negligence? Okay... What about Tony's negligence? In a heavily edited 90 second clip we have him laser Hulk right into what appears to be a moving truck. Truck driver could easily be dead...

I don't get where you're seeing the truck moving. It's stationary.

Stark later follows that one up by knocking Hulk about a football field away, where the camera even shows a civilian being knocked over by that. That guy could be seriously inured or even dead too. Even Man of Steel wasn't careless enough to show civilians being harmed by Superman's actions.

You're forgetting one key factor in this: Hulk is considerably superior to Hulkbuster.

Even in this small clip, it's obvious. What would Tony have done with Hulk relentlessly hammering at his armor, shredding it apart like it was paper? He had to put distance between them, and punching him off was, literally, the only option otherwise.

Superman had about a hundred options at his disposal when the oil truck came swerving his way. First and foremost, actually stopping it. :lol

Hulk is also much faster than your average human being; taking into account reaction time, there's only so many ways Tony can process where to deflect Hulk's full-speed charge (referring to the scene where he lasers him into a truck) before the green rage monster reaches him.
 

G-Fex

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Superman was a negligent noob in man of steel for sure

But anyways dismissing the destruction complaints and all that this clip just ain't that hot with Tony's flat jokes

I love stark a lot, I actually really like iron man 3. But Whedon is pretty terrible at the humorous dialogue that people give him credit as being "witty". Shane black runs circles around him. Also 'time and place', it gets a bit tiring when you get all these wisecracks (that don't even land tbh) in a clip where he's literally trying to stop a beast from destroying everything aroubd him

I agree completely
 

Mr.Swag

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I think collateral damage, while sometimes avoidable, isn't really the heros priority. The priority is to defeat the villain.
 
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