New Fantastic Four Trailer
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Could they replace Doom and Silver Surfer though? Doom is one of the most recognizable comic villains of all time, I don't see how they can indefinitely ignore him.
George Oscar Bluth II
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Yeah, that's true. I think I remember hearing Doc Strange isn't an origin story, but I can't remember where. Maybe I just misheard/misread.
Doom & Silver Surfer will be a bit difficult, that I can agree on.
Eh, don't sweat it. It happens to the best of us.
That could be the case, but we don't really know at this point.
I think that it's more - especially after this film - everyone will be aware of the origin story of the F4.
Lol funny invisible lady bit, cocky fire, oh no sad for ben,
They seem to be reluctant to do it for Spider-Man, who is hot property - and we had the same amount of origins from him as F4.
Honestly, I think think they could work out a good non-traditional origin reboot (eg. Ant-man, but v different) - and use F4 as a key kickstarter to a future Phase. But, unlike Spider-Man where everyone knew Marvel were hungry, Fox don't have too much to bargain with in F4, and they may just not let it go through stubbornness.
freenudemacusers
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man the 'pitch' of this movie sounded so cool and the cast is way better than the last FF movie but there are so many red flags being planted around the film and it's coming out next weekend? yikes.
Broken Joystick
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What's stopping Fox from just holding on to the rights, even if the movie bombs? Sony doesn't actually have that many franchises in their portfolio, but Fox has plenty to recover any losses.
Then do what Incredible Hulk did. Just show the origin in the opening credits & have the movie dedicated to the main plot. Spider-Man's likely gonna outright skip the origin beyond a few references & flashbacks.
As for your point on Fox likely holding onto the rights out of stubbornness, I'm afraid that could be the case. Again, the movie could turn out good & Fox doesn't have to worry, but I'm afraid that it may not be the case.
And this is why I'm concerned that Fox would just tank it if the reboot fails. Unlike Sony, Fox has a number of other franchises to fall back on, one of which is a Marvel property. They can live with one franchise not doing too hot if it means that Marvel doesn't get the rights back.
That's what saddens me about the possible scenario of the movie turning out bad. The actors involved are a pretty solid group of actors.
As a layman to all of backend business in Hollyowood, all of this is a bit fascinating to me. I have to wonder just how iron clad these retention clauses are. I mean, this IS Disney we're talking about here. It must be airtight if their team of lawyers can't find some obscure loophole to reacquire the rights of their own characters. Even if it is only on film.
I don't particularly care for the recurring theme. The 30 second track "It Begins" is great and gives an almost Wonderful 101 kinda vibe. The rest of the soundtrack just doesn't sound all that heroic or great though. "Baxter" is a good example of this. It starts of interesting then the leitmotif kicks in and it just sounds sort of generic.
Say what you will about the 2005 Fantastic Four, but that soundtrack was amazing. It remains one of the best superhero themes in my opinion.
That makes no sense though. Fox would rather hold onto an IP that's losing them money rather than let another company get the rights to them?
Though Fox could eat the potential loss & would rather do that than give their competition more ammo. Once again, the movie could turn out good & all this speculation could be pointless, but that's not how it's looking right now.
Because if they have it... retains some value to them
They could try a sequel to this that has a lower budget
Or they can reboot it
Or heck, they do could do a silver Surfer solo film or something
The Outsider
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Even if Fox were to let the rights lapse, wouldn't Marvel have to wait so many years until that takes effect to use any associated characters?
Scorpion Soldier
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Marvel can use the characters as soon as the rights lapse. Though technically they could use them sooner if they manage to buy out the agreement beforehand (which is what happened with Ghost Rider etc.)
Marvel / Disney got the rights to Daredevil around 2011-2012, and they released the Netfilx series this year.
Darkangel
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They could even just use Dr. Doom as an X-Men villan or something.
SuperEpicMan
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Even if this tanks, I can't see them giving the rights up without something big in return. Either they keep the rights and do nothing with them, or they hand them back to a competing studio which would likely make a bunch of cash on it.
So Marvel could either offer them a good amount of money for the rights, or maybe exchange the rights of something else to them, which I can't really seem them doing, as Marvel seems like they want to hold onto their characters now.
Also worth noting, the last rights Fox let go (Daredevil), Marvel spun it into a really successful show.
So Marvel could either offer them a good amount of money for the rights, or maybe exchange the rights of something else to them, which I can't really seem them doing, as Marvel seems like they want to hold onto their characters now.
Also worth noting, the last rights Fox let go (Daredevil), Marvel spun it into a really successful show.
The Outsider
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But there's usually a built in grace period for Fox to start production before the rights actually lapse, right?
Assuming Marvel doesn't pay to get them back sooner.
Well, the Daredevil movie came out in 2003, so it had been 10 years since production. That's a long time before the rights reverted.
Assuming the movie fails & Fox just gives the rights back to Marvel, Marvel Studios can use the F4 characters almost immediately. In fact, if Marvel gets the rights back, I wouldn't be surprised if we see the cosmic characters associated with the F4 be at least mentioned in Guardians 2. Once again, this is assuming the movie fails & the rights revert. We need to wait & see how the F4 reboot turns out before we can assume anything.
Marvel would probably just pay for the rights. Under the base assumption that the movie doesn't do well, I doubt that the rights would be that expensive.
The Outsider
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Agreed. I don't wish any ill will on this movie or Fox, I just really would love to see a fully realized Annihilation adaptation a few years down the road.
SuperEpicMan
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Also just thought, since Fox wouldn't even pay for the 3D conversion on this, if it does tank, they will probably wanna sell the rights if only just to recoup some losses.
And I don't blame you. It's just that we should at least let this movie prove itself before we proclaim doom upon the film. While granted, recent events have given people a justifiable reason to have a negative outlook on the film, a surprise isn't impossible
The Outsider
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I'm going to see it, but I'd be a lot more optimistic about the whole situation if the movie didn't look like hot garbage from the marketing.
I'm gonna wait for the reviews, honestly. At least with the Marvel Studios movies, the reviews come out a week in advance, which is more than enough time to cancel my ticket pre-order (which I normally don't need to do anyway).
Yeah it's pretty clearly outlined. However, there could be a situation like with DD where Fox simply isn't ready in time to put a new movie into production before the next deadline arrives. It didn't happen this time, but they couldn't get a DD reboot in production in time and when they asked Marvel for an extension they said no (not helping their already bad relationship :lol).
Supposedly Marvel offered to let Fox have more time to get Daredevil off the ground in exchange for the cosmic characters associated with the F4 rights (namely Galactus & Silver Surfer). According to this rumor, Fox refused, & the rest is history.
Tony messes with some cosmic shenanigans which opens a portal and he meets with a fully fledged Fantastic Four on the other side who are from an 'alternate' MCU. Boom! Instant Fantastic Four with soft reboot elements. That's how I'd do it anyway to avoid origin fatigue. Just some outlandish cosmic bullshit that they are known for.
Or simply summarize the origin in the opening credits.
freenudemacusers
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none of these comic origins are the that complex, just flash a few illustrated scenes in the opening credits and done. and as much as i feel the mcu is kinda bloated at least they'll just ... go for it in terms of ridiculous comic book shit so might as well just toss them the keys.
Scorpion Soldier
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A few years, yeah, I think around 7. (Not sure, but I believe that's the term Sony had for Spider-Man.)
Didn't Marvel get the rights to Ghost Rider back soon after Sony released the second film?
No, this happened after The Avengers.
With Stan Lee narrating.
DonasaurusRex
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and the Ghost of Jack Kirby taking credit for everything he says.
Mengy
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It's just another case of Fox deviating from the source material for no good reason other than to be different. Problem is that the source material is good, and if they would only stick to it they'd probably get themselves a successful FF. If they would only do it the Marvel way and actually use the comics as serious reference, I feel like Fox could make a good movie, one both the fans and newcomers could enjoy.
Instead we are getting a super young FF, a Johnny who is a different race just because, yet another Doom who is not Doom, and so on and so on. It's kind of a Fantastic Four movie but then it's also kind of not. And that is the crux of the problem.
Maybe it will be good, signs point to it having problems, but it all just kind of rings of either A) incompetence, or B) a cheap ploy to keep property rights from reverting.
Master Thespian
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Fox wants the television rights to the X-Men so that could always be a factor in Marvel getting the rights to the FF back.
That could be done but I'd love some crazy OTT MCU spanning event with Galactus. Stark creates a device to watch other universes which is the Universal Accelerating Tachyon Unifier (or Uatu for short wink wink). The energy signal attracts Galactus for dinner, Guardians of the Galaxy cameo, brings the FF over to help out and they stick around for there own cosmic films.
Scorpion Soldier
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Sony sold them back to them.
mgarnica89
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I always thought a good Fantastic four film would be a simple story. For example. Maybe Doom has forced the Fantastic Fours to visit Latveria. Doom has missiles or someone hostage. But The entire film takes place in Latveria. The Four expect the worst but find that Latveria is the perfect nation under Dooms rule. Its also closed off from the rest of the world. No tv, internet, or any form of media in or out. (Basically North Korea except good). The people are happy, well fed, and genuinely good people. Reed and the rest see that Victor cares for his people. Its everyone else that he hates especially Reed. Obviously something more happens to further the story... ( which i don't know right now).
Basically show that Doom is more than being than what the rest of the World sees. Maybe even take a cue from the comic where Doom can cure The Thing and Reed cant. Why? Just to show that he is better than Reed.
Basically show that Doom is more than being than what the rest of the World sees. Maybe even take a cue from the comic where Doom can cure The Thing and Reed cant. Why? Just to show that he is better than Reed.
SuperEpicMan
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Heres an idea, the movie could start out in some sort of SHIELD like facility, some sort of alert or announcement could be made saying something causing a person to hastily walk to some lab whereupon we meet the F4 for the first time. They have managed to find something significant, weird energy patterns coming from Latveria. F4 are despatched to investigate. On leaving the facility, you see it is actually a SWORD facility and through a short montage (think the one from the opening of the first Thor), you quickly see the origins of the F4 were during some past movie events, maybe the chitauri attack, and they have been operating out of sword doing research and secret missions since. End the montage with them arriving in Latveria and meeting Doom being all swagger lol, awesome movie then takes place. Then at the end, they detect signals from deep space, possibly Galactus or the annihilation wave.
mgarnica89
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sounds good. They need to do Doom and Latveria justice.
Did they lose them because they made generation X, and sued for Mutant X.
Marvel just have the animation rights.
Gordon Shumway
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Nah, brother. Having to hear him all day killed shit for me when I was a git..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgmmFKmh-eA
Future Foundation
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What was the last movie that did that? Just sorta surprised everyone and went against perceptions/projections? TMNT? World War Z?
Even issue #1 of The Fnatastic Four barely devotes any time to their backstory. It has a flashback that lasts two or three pages with the FF going into space and getting powers and then jumps right into them on some adventure. Hell, nothing is ever really explained, they just live in a decked out Baxter building and have the Fantasti-car and whatnot within the first three issues without there ever being an explanation as to how they got everything.
Superhero films could learn something from this method of storytelling. If the people want a superhero story, then give them a superhero story and don't waste a whole act explaining how they got powers and then take the entire film to establish all of the lore surrounding the characters. Start with them being a superhero and you don't need to explain how they got all the gadgets and cars and buildings, the audience can just assume it happened some time in the past.
darkhunger
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No Marvel won that case (and kept making Mutant X) and later settled with Fox.
Fox has confirmed recently that they are in negotiations with Marvel:
http://www.newsarama.com/23337-report-fox-in-negotiations-with-marvel-for-x-men-tv-series.html
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