You mean Spider-Man's recasting in Civil War as the potential F4 analogy for their X-Men crossover? If so, the past Spidey films aren't even canon to the MCU. A more apt analogy would be Hulk's recasting in Avengers if Fox is aiming to keep this film canon. That being said, I doubt that Fox would recast if they continue with this franchise.
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These are the new fantastic four so they are not going to recast
Choppasmith
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Well, I was thinking more of BvS in terms of just recasting one side of the "crossover" but also yeah, if this really does poorly, I can see Fox saying "Screw it! Just recast" to distance themselves from the film much like Marvel has done with Spider-Man.
Except for the fact that, as I've said earlier, the previous Spidey movies aren't canon to the MCU, so recasting made sense. If the F4 reboot remain canon in the X-Men universe, it'd be like Hulk's recasting in Avengers if they were to recast (which, again, I doubt that they'll do if Fox moves forward with the crossover regardless of how well the reboot does).
If such a deal were to happen, Marvel would recast everyone & start from zero. Granted, Marvel could pull an MCU Spidey & have the F4 already be established, but the F4 reboot won't be canon in the MCU if Fox & Marvel do a Spidey-esque deal.
H.Cornerstone
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I think Namor is like Hulk in that Universal have rights to distribution but Marvel controls it.
Choppasmith
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I know, I'm just throwing it out there. I can totally see Fox THINKING they are following in those footsteps when they're not.
I just wish they could make a deal for the rights by the time Phase 4 comes along. I mean Richards doing cosmic ray experiments in the wake of Infinity War just lines up so nicely.
The Outsider
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Which would honestly be for the best, if only so we can get an actual adaptation of Dr. Doom.
Played by Mads Mikkelson.
It's pretty obvious who wrote each track, sadly. Makes the score very bi-polar.
I think they're just going to milk F4 until it's just not profitable. I don't see Fox ever losing the X-men license but I could see Marvel trading characters for F4. It's kind of hard to ignore a galactic event and ignore Galactus. That and I want to see Doom fight the Avengers.
Gordon Shumway
Banned
lol..Fantastic Four Cheese, indeed.
Marvel's not gonna trade any of their characters. And even with Galactus, Marvel could even use Celestials as replacements.
That really sucks and pretty much confirms my fears.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/artic...he-final-film-yet---and-its-out-in-a-few-days
So the cast are already bracing themselves.
So the cast are already bracing themselves.
Which is weird because it has been proven possible multiple times with different tones.
Batman Begins (85)
The Dark Knight (94)
First Class (87)
Days of Future Past (91)
The Winter Soldier (89)
Guardians of the Galaxy (91)
The Dark Knight (94)
First Class (87)
Days of Future Past (91)
The Winter Soldier (89)
Guardians of the Galaxy (91)
Even leaving the superhero genre and looking at action movies in general, it has been done before with budgets larger and smaller.
Edge of Tomorrow (90)
Mad Max: Fury Road (98)
Dawn of the Planet of the Apes (90)
Serenity (82)
The Hunger Games (84)
Mad Max: Fury Road (98)
Dawn of the Planet of the Apes (90)
Serenity (82)
The Hunger Games (84)
The lack of faith on the part of the lead actor is more troubling than anything else.
TheYoungHeroRises
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So if 20th Century Fox has no faith in it.
And the cast has no faith in it.
Why should we have any faith in it?
I'm planning on seeing on this movie opening weekend and I'm not looking forward to it.
I really want to be proven wrong though unlike the die hard rabid Marvel fanboys.
And the cast has no faith in it.
Why should we have any faith in it?
I'm planning on seeing on this movie opening weekend and I'm not looking forward to it.
I really want to be proven wrong though unlike the die hard rabid Marvel fanboys.
Seems Fox don't know what to do with FF and are just crapping out one awful movie reboot after the next in some aimless attempt to do something that even they don't know.
If they're doing this just to keep the rights in their hands, is it so hard to make a decent movie while doing so?
Making a decent FF movie should not be that hard.
Choppasmith
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I'm all for giving the movie a fair chance and all but... Why would watch a movie you're not looking forward to?
Messypandas
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I have faith in..... the score! Also, Michael B. Jordan
The only thing that'd be cool is for them to make a X-men: Onslaught movie and have some minor FF elements in that.
...and then you realize this is their third attempt. By the time the FF rights make their way back to Marvel, how much will the brand even be worth at that point?
Oh yeah. I totally forgot about that unreleased one.
Messypandas
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4th Technically. It does seem like an epic troll by them at this point.
TheYoungHeroRises
Banned
I'm all for giving the movie a fair chance and all but... Why would watch a movie you're not looking forward to?
In the eleventh hour hope that the movie is actually good.
I'm hoping for that as well, but recent events aren't giving this film a good outlook.
Are Fox even making a decent enough return off these awful FF movies. I would assume so seeing as they are still making them. But as you said, this could be just Fox fucking with Marvel to keep the right out of their hands.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
The narrative certainly is juicy enough, especially when envisioning corporate entities as faceless hordes who behave like professional wrestling characters, but I don't think anyone at Fox wanted the movie to be bad. Look at the talent they went out and got for it. That the movie itself could end up being bad is really unfortunate, but I just don't buy that the executives at the studio, the producers in charge of the production, and the talent making the film, were all like "fuck it, it doesn't matter, so long as Father Fox bites their thumb at the Marvel Minions" or whatever.
George Oscar Bluth II
Banned
I kinda want to make a thread on all this Fantastic Fuckery.
I'm more concerned about the future of the cast if this movie bombs critically &/or financially. I recall Miles Teller & Michael B. Jordan having work outside of this film to fall back on, but what of the rest? I know Josh Trank is screwed on account of Disney kicking him off of Star Wars.
Messypandas
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Yeah they didn't hire Philip Glass for the lulz, they could have got bandcamp composer for a 100th of the budget. The whole movie smells like committee decisions and focus testing gone wrong.
Some films have multiple premieres and screenings
For instance, I believe Fantastic Four is also having one in New York tomorrow
(Along with the Man from Uncle, which trying to go to... alas!)
Eh, no one's stopping you so long as you provide evidence for each of the elements of the F4 reboot's troubled development. It's just that you'd spark an argument that would span multiple pages. Of course, if a mod wants to correct me on something, feel free.
I know Guardians had a premiere in London as well as LA. Not sure about NYC, though.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
If Josh Trank can keep lining up work (and he is) even with the entirety of the Hollywood underground whispering about his crazy ass, I don't think actors like Kate Mara and Jamie Bell are gonna have problems getting work. Same with Reg E. Cathey and Tim Blake Nelson. And this will slide right off Toby Kebbell in the same way Cobra Commander had zero effect on Joseph Gordon Levitt.
George Oscar Bluth II
Banned
Yeah, it's probably a better idea not to.
Messypandas
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I wouldn't bother tbh. The Rottentomatoes thread will be enough.
Better safe than sorry, I suppose. This thread is serving well enough for F4 reboot discussion until the OT goes live.
Choppasmith
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But why waste the money on such a vague hope?
It just seems so shortsighted to me.
That's reassuring. I just don't want the future of these actors & crew members to be tarnished in the event that this movie fails.
George Oscar Bluth II
Banned
Yeah. Speaking the RT thread, we're not gonna be getting that until... release day? Damn.
Yep, I don't want to cause arguments.
Technically the Wednesday night before the film's release, but the general idea is the same.
George Oscar Bluth II
Banned
Release day is Friday, right? So reviews drop 2 days before. Yeah, that definitely isn't reassuring.
I think Fox will keep going with it.
The question is whether they risk a cross-over film. A cross-over could only help the F4, but it risks damaging X-Men which is currently very a successful and respected franchise.
I think F4 has missed the boat now. They could have worked as a foundation of the MCU, but that time has gone. I'm not really sure they work in standalone films (I'm sure the right people could give it a good try), and even an X-Men crossover doesn't seem very organic.
Marvel would love the villains - but how would you work the F4 into the MCU? Spider-Man can do it, he's a kid that is often off the radar. For F4 you would surely need an origin, and people are really bored of that. Maybe MCU could use them to kick off some 'Phase' in the future, but atm, meh.
Basically, I just don't see Fox having much to bargain with MCU. Marvel would like the villains, but they don't seem to focus on villains much anyway. This is maybe premature, maybe the film will do okay - but we could be looking at a cross-over, or another 10 year situation.
The question is whether they risk a cross-over film. A cross-over could only help the F4, but it risks damaging X-Men which is currently very a successful and respected franchise.
I think F4 has missed the boat now. They could have worked as a foundation of the MCU, but that time has gone. I'm not really sure they work in standalone films (I'm sure the right people could give it a good try), and even an X-Men crossover doesn't seem very organic.
Marvel would love the villains - but how would you work the F4 into the MCU? Spider-Man can do it, he's a kid that is often off the radar. For F4 you would surely need an origin, and people are really bored of that. Maybe MCU could use them to kick off some 'Phase' in the future, but atm, meh.
Basically, I just don't see Fox having much to bargain with MCU. Marvel would like the villains, but they don't seem to focus on villains much anyway. This is maybe premature, maybe the film will do okay - but we could be looking at a cross-over, or another 10 year situation.
It was originally going to be Thursday night, but Fox moved it to Wednesday night shortly after the embargo end date went public.
George Oscar Bluth II
Banned
They probably did it to "calm" all the fears.
We just got an origin with Ant-Man (well, more of an origin for Scott Lang & a passing-of-the-torch story for the title of Ant-Man as a whole) & are due for another next year with Doctor Strange. I don't think Marvel's afraid to do an origin story if they have to.
I was actually thinking the same thing.
George Oscar Bluth II
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I thought Doctor Strange isn't an origin story?
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At least you can talk. Who are you?
If you heard Kevin Feige's description of Doctor Strange at the Phase 3 event, it indicated that Doctor Strange will be an origin story. Plus they casted the Ancient One & Baron Mordo, which pretty much indicates an origin story.
On-topic, for anyone who's curious about the history of the whole embargo end date ordeal.
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