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New Gran Turismo 6 trailers [Complete blowout: All cars/tracks/features/etc]
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Delusibeta
Banned
Forza 5 has microtransactions too. You can buy cars using tokens which you can spend real money on.
Ravensmash
Member
GT has always been about grinding.
Grinding to unlock those cars you want that are millions of credits early on, or building up a personal garage.
Providing the option to speed through that for impatient players isn't necessarily an inherent negative for everyone else.
Grinding to unlock those cars you want that are millions of credits early on, or building up a personal garage.
Providing the option to speed through that for impatient players isn't necessarily an inherent negative for everyone else.
Good, there are no microtransactions there, only macrotransactions.
OT: I knew it would end like this, guess I am getting old.
Yeah, but as long as you can gain the money in game at a decent pace it hopefully won't be a problem in either game. Not that I like it, but it's becoming the reality in these games and I definitely hope it's balanced well enough not to affect the experience for those not wanting to buy those credits.
Business
Member
Buying in game items is one thing (and I mean the classic DLC here, hats, cars, story mode...). Buying in game money or buying your ticket to the next stage are very different things because these will tend to condition the very design of the game so people buys them, making the experience worst for those who don't. Here's hoping GT's design is not altered at all by the possibility of buying in game credit with real money, and this remains purely an option for those who can't be bothered to play through the career. Then again this is no F2P game so they could just give you this option for free since you already payed for the content you are trying to unlock.
SolidSnakex
Member
People always want to assume the worst with things like this. I'm all for jumping on PD if they screw up the credits system and force you into a situation where you feel like you have to pay real money to make it through the game. But there's no indication of that.
Graphics Horse
Member
Do you know anything about the track dlc situation? Are they still ready to add 1 per month or whatever it was?
Good question. Does anyone know anything about the soundtrack to this game yet?
opticalmace
Member
As long as the game isn't broken if you decide not to use microtransactions, it doesn't bother me. I won't be buying credits, and I always enjoyed the GT grind.
If however it does kind of break it, then I will be pretty pissed. But I am optimistic that PD realizes a lot of people probably feel the same way I do.
If however it does kind of break it, then I will be pretty pissed. But I am optimistic that PD realizes a lot of people probably feel the same way I do.
Graphics Horse
Member
Yeah it's pretty weird. You'd think it could look tidier at least if they just had a sub menu for conditions/reverse/layouts. Arguably they should all be seperate when it comes to online voting but that's the only place. Speaking of voting, they should get rid of the 'random' choice or diminish its portion of the vote.
even though I cannot claim that I am the most dedicated gt player in these boards, I sure do remember in my early days of GT5, how easy it was to trick the game and gift me every single 20 million dollar car, in multiple times, because my ..birthday
I am sure that bugs and loopholes will create opportunities to easily overcome any ...grandiose milking plans.
but all guys complaining when they see such things creeping their way into their favorite game, I think they are not wrong to complain..
gutterboy44
Member
I am just wholesale against micro-transactions to further unlock the content you already paid for. I;m not talking DLC on disc, I am talking about just unlocking the exact same shit in the game that is there for everyone who bought the vanilla disc. It is ludicrous. I don't understand the apologists either, "such and such game has it too!" Yep, and it is just as a horrible practice for those games.
It would be like buying a movie ticket, and once you realize it is way too long and you want to leave, you have to pay more money to leave the theater. Wasn't the price of admission enough? Nope, stick it out or pay up. Micro transactions only lead in one direction. They start in different spots, but there is not only a clear lack of motivation to balance game pacing or rewards, but you will make more money, the shitter and more unbearable your progression system is once it is implemented. It boggles my mind that people think PD is some benevolent dev that hasn't done anything to fuck over their customers. They completely destroyed one of the only enjoyable new features of GT5, the trading system. It became some pseudo form of DRM where I had no say in what I could do with the cars I "owned" in game and which ones I could trade. Put a pay wall in between any of that mess and they can fuck off for good. But yeah, Forza did it, so its cool. I guess $60 and my time is worthless.... until you give me the option to buy it back from you, then it has a set price, ohh looks like my time gets discounts when bought in bulk!
Edit: Ok better analogy. It would be like buying a blu-ray movie and when you went to fast forward through the boring intro credits of the movie, it made you watch the entire film three times in a row to unlock the fast forward option for future viewings. Or you could pay right then to unlock it.
It would be like buying a movie ticket, and once you realize it is way too long and you want to leave, you have to pay more money to leave the theater. Wasn't the price of admission enough? Nope, stick it out or pay up. Micro transactions only lead in one direction. They start in different spots, but there is not only a clear lack of motivation to balance game pacing or rewards, but you will make more money, the shitter and more unbearable your progression system is once it is implemented. It boggles my mind that people think PD is some benevolent dev that hasn't done anything to fuck over their customers. They completely destroyed one of the only enjoyable new features of GT5, the trading system. It became some pseudo form of DRM where I had no say in what I could do with the cars I "owned" in game and which ones I could trade. Put a pay wall in between any of that mess and they can fuck off for good. But yeah, Forza did it, so its cool. I guess $60 and my time is worthless.... until you give me the option to buy it back from you, then it has a set price, ohh looks like my time gets discounts when bought in bulk!
Edit: Ok better analogy. It would be like buying a blu-ray movie and when you went to fast forward through the boring intro credits of the movie, it made you watch the entire film three times in a row to unlock the fast forward option for future viewings. Or you could pay right then to unlock it.
zephervack
Member
I trust poly to handle this correctly, so it is still day one for me, might be my last GT if they mess it up though.
Hopeful they will still have the earnings multipliers once in a while.
Hopeful they will still have the earnings multipliers once in a while.
Spot the flying Ferrari
Lol that looks terrible.
Graphics Horse
Member
Gutterboy, change your analogy to bribing the projectionist to skip past the middle of the film and it might make more sense.
gutterboy44
Member
Good point. The analogy was more about demonstrating how absurd similar practices would be in other popular forms of entertainment. I guess I would have to say, leave the theater to go home and read the synopsis or something. What ever the hell a cheat code is in watching movies.
Edit: Ok better analogy. It would be like buying a blu-ray movie and when you went to fast forward through the boring intro credits of the movie, it made you watch the entire film three times in a row to unlock the fast forward option for future viewings. Or you could pay right then to unlock it. Get a few big studios releasing blu-rays like that and before you know it you are going to have 25 minute intro credits.
I might be naive in saying this, but I think this option to buy credits is not aimed for anyone in this thread or the hardcore crowd. For me this is for the more casual crowd that cant be arsed to play 15h (or whatever time it takes) to get to 20 million to be able to buy the latest lambo.
No drama lama.
No drama lama.
gutterboy44
Member
I feel like that is a fair assumption. But I don't want to just buy a lambo, I want all of them and probably in different colors. Now because of the balance of buying a few cars with real money, that same arbitrary time I have to spend to unlock just the one car without spending more, I am punished further by having to waste my time to enjoy the entirety of content for the $60. So yes, as a "hardcore" GT player I would grind it out regardless, but I also would if there was a cheat code, or as in the past, 100% complete save files readily available for download. I would never touch them. There is no justification that if your desire is to provide a path of zero resistance for "casuals" it isn't a single menu option click or an old school button combination "cheat" code. That is what is disgusting. That they completely devalue your time and initial purchase in the case of making you grind, or they put an exact real world price on your time if you give in and pay more.
Exactly. People would pay for nothing, no extra content or work. I would have prefered if they charge for the vision GT cars or tracks.
Also, i'm a hardcore GT gamer, and still can't find any motivation to grind any race for credits anymore.
gutterboy44
Member
Even if I met some of you half way and said, ok, things have changed. We are in a pay-to-cheat, pay-to-win world and them's the breaks. Fine. Then it should just be "a" micro transaction. Pay 10$ more and get 100,000,000,000,000 credits or the exact amount it costs to buy every car, with every upgrade and a few paints per car. Cause it is just for people who don't have time right? Just give them all of the content in the way of insane credits. If you can't be arsed to play the game to unlock things, one and done unlock all purchase. Enjoy your $70-$80 games if you must.
Clearly this is seldom how it works. There are carefully measured tiers of cr. to buy. Discounts when you buy more, and cr. levels, points, gems, whatever the fuck the game currency is, to make sure it matches some in game mechanic or cut off point. The reason it is set up like this, is to maximize the potential convenience and desire to buy the cr. or whatever. What aspects could devs possibly control to maximize the potential incentive for micro transactions? The game design of course! They aren't going to send you flyers educating you on opportunity cost, they are going to do the blatantly obvious and skew the entire game or certain systems in the game to make the $ equivalent to in game currency seem like a fair enough trade.
Clearly this is seldom how it works. There are carefully measured tiers of cr. to buy. Discounts when you buy more, and cr. levels, points, gems, whatever the fuck the game currency is, to make sure it matches some in game mechanic or cut off point. The reason it is set up like this, is to maximize the potential convenience and desire to buy the cr. or whatever. What aspects could devs possibly control to maximize the potential incentive for micro transactions? The game design of course! They aren't going to send you flyers educating you on opportunity cost, they are going to do the blatantly obvious and skew the entire game or certain systems in the game to make the $ equivalent to in game currency seem like a fair enough trade.
Even though I'm still trying to be optimistic about this, I think what is disappointing is that if any game doesn't need to scrape out extra money from its user base, it's GT.
A relatively small development team consistently selling ten million copies per release (and that at the higher first party royalty rate to boot) and presumably millions of DLC purchases. It's kind of a 'just how much money do they need to make?' thing.
Maybe they could have said, 'we're introducing paid for currency, but we're going to use that money to make the DLC free' (which would then lead to more demand for the currency) it would have gone halfway to reconciling it.
Still, I've been reading the Forza 5 thread today and it seems we should be thankful they're at least using lube and whispering in our ear.
A relatively small development team consistently selling ten million copies per release (and that at the higher first party royalty rate to boot) and presumably millions of DLC purchases. It's kind of a 'just how much money do they need to make?' thing.
Maybe they could have said, 'we're introducing paid for currency, but we're going to use that money to make the DLC free' (which would then lead to more demand for the currency) it would have gone halfway to reconciling it.
Still, I've been reading the Forza 5 thread today and it seems we should be thankful they're at least using lube and whispering in our ear.
The Stealth Fox
Junior Member
I honestly think the progression won't be affected at all. It's for people who want to shortcut the game, just like the BF3 unlocks. The game was clearly intended for unlocking everything yourself, but they offered a shortcut option later on.
I do think that they did address criticisms from GT5 regarding the grind, as they said that progression is quicker and snappier, even without the announcement of in-game credits microtransactions.
The game we're getting out of the box is the way the game will be intended to be played.
I do think that they did address criticisms from GT5 regarding the grind, as they said that progression is quicker and snappier, even without the announcement of in-game credits microtransactions.
The game we're getting out of the box is the way the game will be intended to be played.
As long as the penalty system and no boost is online, I don't care about mts. People cheat and hack in everything. But gt will likely be shared with gaf gt or a community to really enjoy the challenge of gt.
Sure some people will have access to super cars and what not. Doesn't mean they can drive em, and even then so whay as long as they aren't wrecking and racing safely.
Sure some people will have access to super cars and what not. Doesn't mean they can drive em, and even then so whay as long as they aren't wrecking and racing safely.
Just saw this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ou6QGrR4GD4
When will shocks be added in a GT game, hm? It's like the car in GT6 is driving on glass or something, so smooth.
When will shocks be added in a GT game, hm? It's like the car in GT6 is driving on glass or something, so smooth.
I don`t give a fcuk about buying in-game money with real ones - yes, it`s silly to do so but it will not affect my game progression in any way, so... let them buy it. More Sony/PD money, it`s business after all.
Preordered digital Special Edition (thnx ruttyboy for the info) yesterday but GTAV issues with PSN version (slower streaming of game assets->noticeable texture pop up) got me thinking: maybe disk version will be better for loading times than digital version. Two parallel streams of data (fast HDD + slow BD) should be faster than one stream (HDD only).
GTAV-like popup is not an option, because GT6 will not use constant streaming of the data in the background, loading all assets into the console RAM before the race, but what about just loading times? I can still cancel my digital preorder and go after disc version.
Preordered digital Special Edition (thnx ruttyboy for the info) yesterday but GTAV issues with PSN version (slower streaming of game assets->noticeable texture pop up) got me thinking: maybe disk version will be better for loading times than digital version. Two parallel streams of data (fast HDD + slow BD) should be faster than one stream (HDD only).
GTAV-like popup is not an option, because GT6 will not use constant streaming of the data in the background, loading all assets into the console RAM before the race, but what about just loading times? I can still cancel my digital preorder and go after disc version.
Goldrusher
Member
GT simulates your vision, not that of a shitty camera.
When you drive on a bumpy road, even on cobblestones, you won't see any shocks, you only feel them.
If they did a 1:1 camera:car body movement view it would be near impossible to drive. Not only does a camera strapped to the bumper move far more than your head due to the damping effect of the more central location/seat/your own body's flexibility, but your brain is constantly smoothing out the image for you.
In short, if you were driving in real life it would seem far smoother than that video would imply.
SolidSnakex
Member
It looks like they improved teh color scheme quite a bit for Willow Springs. I remember people saying that it was one of the courses that looked too colorful/cartoonish before. It looks rather realistic now.
StanTowers
Member
I don't think your eyes are strapped to the frontbumper in real life like that camera or are they?
Ted
Member
It's getting so close I can smell it. 6th and 9th taken off work, wheels all checked out, new ethernet cables purchased, fluffy dice hung on the TV unit... I am /so/ ready.
Does anyone know if PD have spoken about any performance benefit re. disc vs download? I'm keen to get the digital version so I can install it on a PS3 with a broken Blu-ray drive. I bought multiple copies last time round for local LAN-esque multiplayer so digital would be great.
On a related note have they mentioned multi-screen support? They don't seem to mention it on the website.
S'almost here, a long weekend & GT6... to coin a phrase, greatness awaits.
Does anyone know if PD have spoken about any performance benefit re. disc vs download? I'm keen to get the digital version so I can install it on a PS3 with a broken Blu-ray drive. I bought multiple copies last time round for local LAN-esque multiplayer so digital would be great.
On a related note have they mentioned multi-screen support? They don't seem to mention it on the website.
S'almost here, a long weekend & GT6... to coin a phrase, greatness awaits.
EGOMON
Member
People are still over-reacting, if you don't like it don't get it we had enough of GT hate since GT5 and GT6 seems to fix everything wrong with GT5 but people still complaining and for what? an optional microtransations that doesn't effect the game content in the slightest.
That being said i just pre-ordered the special digital version from UK PS store and seems there is a pre-load available to download form now, am so excited to play GT6.
edit: no pre-load just auto-download option for Dec 5
That being said i just pre-ordered the special digital version from UK PS store and seems there is a pre-load available to download form now, am so excited to play GT6.
edit: no pre-load just auto-download option for Dec 5
SolidSnakex
Member
Nope, but digital games usually load faster. But we won't know if that's the case with GT6 until the game is available. Well, unless PD talks about it at the GT launch event next month. That's supposed to span over two days and Kaz will be there to answer questions.
It hasn't been announced, but I don't see any reason why it wouldn't be in the game.
gutterboy44
Member
This is news to me.
The GT crowd can stand constructive criticism because this franchise needs it. If GT5 wasn't a wake up call for the GT loyal, I don't know what will be. I see my all time favorite franchise ever created, slowly slipping into the shiter. Micro transactions are just another piece of shit lumped on to the busted system. But no worries, we always have the next GT! They will fix it then.... "Pre order canceled" and all that hyperbole is almost always cry wolf nonsense and you shouldn't really give a fuck about my purchasing habits, but this is not only the first GT game I won't be clamoring to get the millisecond it comes out, I am not even going to bother, even if it was $15. It is still so stagnant and feels like a glorified GT5 patch to appease the impending massive delay before a full GT game drops on PS4. I criticize because I care. I want another awesome GT game, I want to be excited about GT7. I want to show a game to friends that will get them back into the series and race online with me. I am a person who had PS2 GT4 LAN parties for fuck sake. I think I suffered brain damage from having that many CRT TVs in one room. Oh man, the horrors. Full PS2 hard resets every time the connection failed. hahaha.
Really impressed with how accurate the track model is.
Interesting info on the GPS app from this website which claims the GPS data to be input for the track creator! I see allot of challenges to overcome to make tracks from GPS data but the idea is simply great!
cutmeamango
Banned
Many already explained to you, but this is too funny to pass.
You did suffered brain damage, you torture yourself with your own hyperbole. You should keep yourself to Assetto Corsa (great handling, audio, sense of speed, no need to buy cars, likely great support) because GT7 will be a glorified GT6 patch too. Now that makes sense, instead of beating your head in your keyboard over the same details, going into mad hyperboles and saying "I care! I want another awesome GT!".
And both yours and Graphics Horse analogy sucks.
You pay extra to the lantern person to let you get in at the end of the movie, you don't skip the movie for everyone, just yourself...
NullPointer
Member
There is a lot wrong with this quote.
But the worst might be the assumption that microtransactions don't or won't affect the core game. Its a revenue stream - of course it will affect the game's progression system. That progression system is what motivates people to spend additional money on the DLC shortcuts in the first place.
And at least from my perspective this looks like a solid update to GT5, but doesn't "fix everything wrong" with GT5. We know nothing about how the career mode has been changed or restructured. We don't know about the quality of standard vs premium except "better" nor do we even know for sure which is which as they aren't marked. Audio has been an issue with the series for a long time now, and I'd imagine many here expect to play in 720p because 1080p will have issues like tearing and frame drops?
Yeah, I just can't find the excitement yet for what we know. Still planning on picking it up but the microtransaction stuff is a dark cloud over the game and its future.
gutterboy44
Member
Ted
Member
Thanks for the reply SSx. Much appreciated.
Hmm, I thought so as well, then GTA5 happened.
I think I could handle longer load times for the benefits DD has for me but if it does turn out to perform badly there's no chance of a return. Ho hum.
Stump up the extra for the PSN version and hope I guess.
I don't either really but it would be nice to know for sure. If my cynicism reared its ugly head I would ponder if the fact it is available for download could be a reason.
So, is it December yet?
Hmm, I thought so as well, then GTA5 happened.
I think I could handle longer load times for the benefits DD has for me but if it does turn out to perform badly there's no chance of a return. Ho hum.
Stump up the extra for the PSN version and hope I guess.
I don't either really but it would be nice to know for sure. If my cynicism reared its ugly head I would ponder if the fact it is available for download could be a reason.
So, is it December yet?
Metalmurphy
Member
You can't say "of course it will" when you don't really know. We have had plenty of historical cases of this not happening. This is also a first for PD do there's no way to expect it to go one way over the other.
Wax Free Vanilla
Member
Tested GT5 with a 6MB save, from XMB to main menu:
Blu-ray: 1:06.54
HDD: 1:06.46
GT Academy 2013: 26.82
There's no difference in speed when selecting cars, loading race, etc and I don't think this will change with GT6.
If GT6 loads as fast as Academy with a big save I'll be impressed.
Is that with the standard 5400RPM drive Wax?
NullPointer
Member
I just think its naive to imagine otherwise. GT5 was already a grind, so even if nothing has changed there an additional monetization scheme provides zero incentive to "fix" that grind.
But if anything, it seems like there is more to spend in-game currency on in GT6.
Metalmurphy
Member
More stuff that we asked for, but now it's going to be seen as more things to rip us off?