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Fresh Prince
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I already use an iRiver flash player which needs software in which to transfer files, for me personally it's troublesome. While I have no doubts that iTunes is more sophisticated than the iRiver software, its still the 'middle person'. I already know that I for the most part like using windows to tranfer files and if possible I would like to do the same with everything else. Not doubting the software itself, but looking at the other features of the iPod itself:
-Over-inflated prices in Australia
-lower battery-life compared with competitiors
-sound output is not 'up there' with creative
-accessories for the ipod come as standard with other players.
-lack of codec support
-etc
How can you make it only a matter about 'software'.
Right now with the facts I know, I'm probably not going to pick up the 4G iPod.
To be honest I really like the prospects of the Karma 2, especially going on the features of the original Karma. AND that had software for transferring files. BUT it has features that make up for it. On the fly playlisting, better sound quality, lineout, a standard dock etc.
-Over-inflated prices in Australia
-lower battery-life compared with competitiors
-sound output is not 'up there' with creative
-accessories for the ipod come as standard with other players.
-lack of codec support
-etc
How can you make it only a matter about 'software'.
Right now with the facts I know, I'm probably not going to pick up the 4G iPod.
To be honest I really like the prospects of the Karma 2, especially going on the features of the original Karma. AND that had software for transferring files. BUT it has features that make up for it. On the fly playlisting, better sound quality, lineout, a standard dock etc.
I cant believe all this discussion about improving battery-life and menu structure and codec support - dont the people at Apple have ears??
The main priority for the next iPod should be to bring its sound quality up to par with the Zen and the Karma players, anything else is unneccessary imo.
Edit - If anyone in Australia wants to swap their Karma for my 3rd gen iPod please let me know.
The main priority for the next iPod should be to bring its sound quality up to par with the Zen and the Karma players, anything else is unneccessary imo.
Edit - If anyone in Australia wants to swap their Karma for my 3rd gen iPod please let me know.
Quadrophenic
Member
sorry to get off the iRiver vrs iPod topic....
But I have some questions for you iPod users/fans (especially those who have had one for 1 year+):
How long should I expect an iPod to last? I keep reading reports about people buying new iPods...I don't know if this is because thier old iPods have become obsolete/broken, or if they just have a ton of expendable income and can drop 300-500$ on a new iPod every six months...Same question about the battery. How long till I would need to get that sucker replaced (and for $100?)
Second question...if I buy a new model 20 gig iPod, what accessories are must haves? I heard that some kind of case/cover is absolutely necessary unless you want to have you iPod scratched to hell. Anything else?
I read about the docking bay, and it seems handy, but not absolutely necessary. USB 2.0 cables come with the iPods right? Hmm, I might have a firewire on my computer anyways....
Also, about the iPod's sound quality...in the past I have usually used pretty cheap headphones to listen to my music (under 30 dollars). Would the difference between the iPod's lower sound quality and Creative/Karma's higher sound quality be even noticable with these headphones? I guess I am asking is if the iPod's lack in sound quality is even that big of a deal to non-audiophiles.
I want to buy a HDD MP3 player sometime soon...I had my eye on that Creative Zen Touch mostly because its price and battery life....but now a 20gig iPod (with the student discount) is about the same price as the Zen Touch, and I like using iTunes, so the only real difference is the battery life and any extra crap you have to buy for the iPod that will raise its overall cost. Does the iRiver have a 15-20 gig model in the price range of the 20gig iPod/ZenTouch?
But I have some questions for you iPod users/fans (especially those who have had one for 1 year+):
How long should I expect an iPod to last? I keep reading reports about people buying new iPods...I don't know if this is because thier old iPods have become obsolete/broken, or if they just have a ton of expendable income and can drop 300-500$ on a new iPod every six months...Same question about the battery. How long till I would need to get that sucker replaced (and for $100?)
Second question...if I buy a new model 20 gig iPod, what accessories are must haves? I heard that some kind of case/cover is absolutely necessary unless you want to have you iPod scratched to hell. Anything else?
I read about the docking bay, and it seems handy, but not absolutely necessary. USB 2.0 cables come with the iPods right? Hmm, I might have a firewire on my computer anyways....
Also, about the iPod's sound quality...in the past I have usually used pretty cheap headphones to listen to my music (under 30 dollars). Would the difference between the iPod's lower sound quality and Creative/Karma's higher sound quality be even noticable with these headphones? I guess I am asking is if the iPod's lack in sound quality is even that big of a deal to non-audiophiles.
I want to buy a HDD MP3 player sometime soon...I had my eye on that Creative Zen Touch mostly because its price and battery life....but now a 20gig iPod (with the student discount) is about the same price as the Zen Touch, and I like using iTunes, so the only real difference is the battery life and any extra crap you have to buy for the iPod that will raise its overall cost. Does the iRiver have a 15-20 gig model in the price range of the 20gig iPod/ZenTouch?
Fresh Prince
Banned
Truth is, I doubt many people will be able to tell the difference with the current headphones they have fusebox.
Quadro I thought that the 20gig version came with a dock as standard?
The headphones that come with the iPod are supposed to be lackluster(it's the same for everything) so first thing is to look around for a good set of heaphones.
The rest ask the Apple fanboys.
iRiver has the iRiver hp-120, which is 20g's.
Rio has the Karma which is 20g's (although Karma's hardrive failures seem to be as rampant as iPod's battery replacments).
There was a thread about the Creative Zen NX going for around $210 dollars, so you might want to look at that as well.
Hope that helps.
Quadro I thought that the 20gig version came with a dock as standard?
The headphones that come with the iPod are supposed to be lackluster(it's the same for everything) so first thing is to look around for a good set of heaphones.
The rest ask the Apple fanboys.
iRiver has the iRiver hp-120, which is 20g's.
Rio has the Karma which is 20g's (although Karma's hardrive failures seem to be as rampant as iPod's battery replacments).
There was a thread about the Creative Zen NX going for around $210 dollars, so you might want to look at that as well.
Hope that helps.
StrikerObi
Member
With the upgrades it's layed out like this now
20GB Model
Apple Earphones
AC Adapter
FireWire cable
USB 2.0 cable
40GB Model
Apple Earphones
AC Adapter
FireWire cable
USB 2.0 cable
iPod Dock
So, as you can see, both models now include USB 2.0 cables (the 3Gs did not, they came with FireWire only). Also, the low end model, typically, doesn't come with any accessories. The 40GB model does come with a dock.
The 3G mid and high end models also came with a remote and a belt clip, but it looks like those have been done away with in the purchase bundles, probably to help with the price cuts. The dock, remote, and belt clip will each run you about $35 after student discount.
20GB Model
Apple Earphones
AC Adapter
FireWire cable
USB 2.0 cable
40GB Model
Apple Earphones
AC Adapter
FireWire cable
USB 2.0 cable
iPod Dock
So, as you can see, both models now include USB 2.0 cables (the 3Gs did not, they came with FireWire only). Also, the low end model, typically, doesn't come with any accessories. The 40GB model does come with a dock.
The 3G mid and high end models also came with a remote and a belt clip, but it looks like those have been done away with in the purchase bundles, probably to help with the price cuts. The dock, remote, and belt clip will each run you about $35 after student discount.
actually i really like the iriver headphones, and i'm pretty picky about my headphones, but everytime i think about buying a better portable pair i think "eh, these buds are pretty good". i really dislike the apple buds on the other hand, i would probably end up with a 100$ portable phones if i had an ipod.
this is not a huge vote for the iriver, since you can get similar buds (i've heard the sennheiser mx's are remarkably close) for like 5$. i'm just saying, not all pack-in headphones are unlistenable. oh, also the irivers are only tolerable with 2$ foamies from radioshack, so ther's that.
this is not a huge vote for the iriver, since you can get similar buds (i've heard the sennheiser mx's are remarkably close) for like 5$. i'm just saying, not all pack-in headphones are unlistenable. oh, also the irivers are only tolerable with 2$ foamies from radioshack, so ther's that.
wandering goat
Member
Quadrophenic: Though I haven't heard music through an iPod for comparison, the sound quality of the Karma is very noticeable. I use a pair of $30 headphones myself (Canadian dollars too, one of those Shockwave headphones) and I'm hearing stuff in my music at 160 kbps that I haven't heard through my CD player, a difference which really helped me appreciate some of the more nuanced CDs like the Flaming Lip's Soft Bulletin. And you can put FLAC stuff on it, making the sound godly.
I'm not an audiophile either. All of my music is at 160 kbps (with a select few CDs also in FLAC), and I also don't have a problem listening to 128 kbps music. For the most part though (if you're not an audiophile), although you'll appreciate the better sound of players like the Karma and Zen, I'm guessing the quality won't hurt. I think I've heard that the signal to noise ratio of the iPod is estimated to be over 90 (Apple isn't releasing the actual figure) so it isn't too bad. The Karma meanwhile is 95 and the Zen is 97.
[edit]: The Karma also has a very powerful amp. The most I ever need to put it up to is 26/30, and I've always been dissapointed in how quiet other players are. There is no distortion at high volumes as well.
I'm not an audiophile either. All of my music is at 160 kbps (with a select few CDs also in FLAC), and I also don't have a problem listening to 128 kbps music. For the most part though (if you're not an audiophile), although you'll appreciate the better sound of players like the Karma and Zen, I'm guessing the quality won't hurt. I think I've heard that the signal to noise ratio of the iPod is estimated to be over 90 (Apple isn't releasing the actual figure) so it isn't too bad. The Karma meanwhile is 95 and the Zen is 97.
[edit]: The Karma also has a very powerful amp. The most I ever need to put it up to is 26/30, and I've always been dissapointed in how quiet other players are. There is no distortion at high volumes as well.
the ipod isn't bad... very mellow, kind of an amber sound. not a lot of power, and the color comes from a pretty nasty midbass hump. a good match with grados, possibly good with sony v6 and other low impedance phones. sounds like shit paired with high impedance phones and you have to dock or mini-dock to get a line-out to amplify.
don't turn it up or force it to strain and you won't hear the noise.
oh, these impressions are from a 2g ipod
don't turn it up or force it to strain and you won't hear the noise.
oh, these impressions are from a 2g ipod
Fresh Prince
Banned
Yep you're right fart, I think all iRiver products come out with sennheiser mx300/400 buds that are just rebranded.
Quadraphonic:
You should actually try and hear the difference for yourself.
The creative zen nx also has the added benefit (I think, I can't remember) of having a removable battery while the zen touch does not. So take that into account, since you were concerned about battery replacement.
Edit: fart's correct on point about the ipod, it is fairly neutral. It may not seem that bad as I may make it to seem. Alot of people like the creative coloration ie a nice bass kick and better power output. I listen to a far bit of Hip-Hop myself so I need to hear the boom.
Quadraphonic:
You should actually try and hear the difference for yourself.
The creative zen nx also has the added benefit (I think, I can't remember) of having a removable battery while the zen touch does not. So take that into account, since you were concerned about battery replacement.
Edit: fart's correct on point about the ipod, it is fairly neutral. It may not seem that bad as I may make it to seem. Alot of people like the creative coloration ie a nice bass kick and better power output. I listen to a far bit of Hip-Hop myself so I need to hear the boom.
I'd describe the sound of my 3g as decidedly average - booming bass and sizzling highs are an impossibility, any kind of eqing in an attempt to make the sound bigger usually just creates distortion, the sound-stage is tiny and dull with all the headphones I've tried, and even my already-detailed grados sr60 sound wimpy and flat.
However, going from the line-out into a headphone amp into some my Koss KSC35s gives the best portable sound I've heard.
However, going from the line-out into a headphone amp into some my Koss KSC35s gives the best portable sound I've heard.
no they source from a korean company now. they're very similar to the mx300s they used to pack in but they sound a little better. very warm, up-front. a nice change from my colder home phones.Fresh Prince said:
i've heard reports there are new 30 hours li-ions that fit some popular mp3 players. food for thought
yah, totally. it's a very popular sound. the apple earbuds accentuate it as well.
I can't listen to my ipod in the headphones it ships with. In fact, I can't listen to anything with those kind of ear phones. I like the sound on it - as I use my headphone jack mostly for bus rides, where there is noise no matter how you put it - and otherwise, I use the line out which does sound excellent.
Quadrophenic
Member
Thanks for all the info everyone. I will definately try to test out the HDD players before I make a purchase.
Fresh Prince
Banned
My mistake...30 hours li-ions eh...... hmmm..... Apple.....maybe next time.........
sure beats piggy-backing a battery pack.
one thing to remember with apple rollouts is that since they ship the most mp3 players of any current manufacturer by far, it takes longer for them to incorporate new parts because they need assurances of greater quantity from the OE manufacturers
one thing to remember with apple rollouts is that since they ship the most mp3 players of any current manufacturer by far, it takes longer for them to incorporate new parts because they need assurances of greater quantity from the OE manufacturers
I got a weird question for fellow Ipod owners. When you are carrying your Ipod around and not listening to it, like for example just in your pocket, what do you do with the headphones? They are insanely long and I don't know how to carry them and they always get tangled up. Normally I would be listening to my Ipod if I was carrying it around, but when I go to work I carry it inside the office because I don't want to get it stolen and sometimes listen to it when things get quiet.
fart, would you say the iriver ihp 120 sounds better than the ipod? i mean for stuff like flaming lips, the cure (the rich guitar tones, the loud drums) and for power metal...which would produce better sounds? and i like my metal loud.
incredibly, my no name brand mp3 player (edigital, microdrive based) has an INCREDIBLE amp, and fantastic sound quality. i coupled it with a sony street style headphone (pretty low impedance...about 24 ohms i believe).
i didnt get your comments about the bass basically. i havent tinkered around much with ipods, aside from sorta playing around with the scroll wheel.
incredibly, my no name brand mp3 player (edigital, microdrive based) has an INCREDIBLE amp, and fantastic sound quality. i coupled it with a sony street style headphone (pretty low impedance...about 24 ohms i believe).
i didnt get your comments about the bass basically. i havent tinkered around much with ipods, aside from sorta playing around with the scroll wheel.
K
Kwokuen
Unconfirmed Member
For the most part, I just roll them up in a circular fashion and stuff them into my left pocket. My iPod usually goes in the right.
i think i can recommend some headphones but i don't know how much i can say about the players. the iriver sounds pretty decent, but really benefits from an easily accessable line and toslink out. the ipod sounds pretty decent if you mate it with sympathetic headphones and you like that kind of sound already. the iriver doesn't need to be mated so much as it begs to have its better features taken advantage of.
ultimately the headphones are going to determine the kind of sound you get though. the ideal amplifier is generally pretty flat in the audio frequencies.
ultimately the headphones are going to determine the kind of sound you get though. the ideal amplifier is generally pretty flat in the audio frequencies.
DJ Demon J
Banned
StrikerObi said:
I bought a 20GB iPod Christmas 2003 and I got a belt clip holder, docking station, earphones, AC adaptor, firewire cable. When did they downsize the 20GB contents? I feel bad for those buying a 20GB iPod now.
Fresh Prince
Banned
As fart says it's really hard to match a headphone to a source (let alone an amp) and say 'this is the best combination'.
In general for good portable headphones for most music styles:
I don't have the prices in American dollars so they might be in the wrong price range..
Cheap:
Sennheiser mx400/500 (buds)
Koss PortaPros/Sportapors (over the earish and fairly ugly)
Koss ksc-55 (streetstyle)
Moderate:
Grados (recommended for rock but a lot of people have a problem with their 'look' and sorta clunky)
Sennheiser px100/200 (foldable)
Sony v6/7506 not v600 (more hi-fi sound)
Yep and try to stay away from sony streetstyle as much as possible....
In general for good portable headphones for most music styles:
I don't have the prices in American dollars so they might be in the wrong price range..
Cheap:
Sennheiser mx400/500 (buds)
Koss PortaPros/Sportapors (over the earish and fairly ugly)
Koss ksc-55 (streetstyle)
Moderate:
Grados (recommended for rock but a lot of people have a problem with their 'look' and sorta clunky)
Sennheiser px100/200 (foldable)
Sony v6/7506 not v600 (more hi-fi sound)
Yep and try to stay away from sony streetstyle as much as possible....
nomoment said:Someone must answer my question!
The Windows 2000+ requirement is for iTunes. There are shareware applications available that can talk to the iPod in a similar manner, but as with all things, nothing's a guarantee. My best advice on trying to use an iPod on a pre Win2k machine is to use your pal and mine, Google.
bionic77 said:
I don't use the buds, mostly because 1) I hate buds; 2) packed in earphones are free for a reason; 3) I hate buds. So when I got my iPod, I decided to ditch my old POS Sony wrap-arounds and get the Sennheiser PX100s, which can fold up into a nice compact shape, and fit very nicely into the part of my bag that also houses my iPod.
I encourage you to track down and listen to a 3 or 4G iPod. Having the thing blast into my head during the morning commute is basically the only thing that'll wake me up thanks to some superhuman tolerance to caffeine, and as far as noise or distortion goes, I hear jack and shit.fart said:
some people really seem to hate the px200 but like the px100. the consensus seems to be that it's not worth the money
also note the superior brother to the ksc-55 in clip on form is the ksc-35s which you can still get from koss's site i think, for like 30 bucks.
grados are NOT portable. you'll look like an idiot and everybody wll be able to hear your music/soft porn soundtrack/whatever
also note the superior brother to the ksc-55 in clip on form is the ksc-35s which you can still get from koss's site i think, for like 30 bucks.
grados are NOT portable. you'll look like an idiot and everybody wll be able to hear your music/soft porn soundtrack/whatever
Fresh Prince
Banned
relatively closed and sound crappy vs open and sound good....toss a coin. Myself if I wanted closed portable cans would look into the v6.
EDIT: How big are grado's again? I wouldn't say that their that big, good for home phones or pack in the bag way to go phones.
But even in Australia I seen people wearing bigger headphones than that....jvc and philips and the such...their not Beastie big or are they?
EDIT: How big are grado's again? I wouldn't say that their that big, good for home phones or pack in the bag way to go phones.
But even in Australia I seen people wearing bigger headphones than that....jvc and philips and the such...their not Beastie big or are they?
If I wanted "perfect" quality, I would've bought a $50 discman and a CD wallet. That said, I think expecting superb sound, and quantify "superb" however you like, from a device that's specifically designed to playback highly compressed audio is a little...anal. 
It's what kinda rubs me the wrong way when people drag out SQ comparisons between current generation players. They're *all* good, especially compared to my RioVOLT which processed mp3s about as well as a Cuisinart can handle a tin can.
It's what kinda rubs me the wrong way when people drag out SQ comparisons between current generation players. They're *all* good, especially compared to my RioVOLT which processed mp3s about as well as a Cuisinart can handle a tin can.dude i wasnt trying to say otherwise, all im saying is if you actually heard distortion/noise from an mp3 that you ripped from your own cd at a good bit rate, then that mp3 player isnt consumer ready...or quality control was shit.
for instance 90 dB or greater is very good basically, and you are supposed to have that, unless you are giving the player away at trade shows or it costs 20 bucks or something. its just that 97/98 dB is SUPERB.
for instance 90 dB or greater is very good basically, and you are supposed to have that, unless you are giving the player away at trade shows or it costs 20 bucks or something. its just that 97/98 dB is SUPERB.
the driver housings and pads are pretty big, but the whole effect is that you end up looking like an alien what with the little retainer pins sticking up and huge cups on your ears.
it doesn't look like you're deep into some music, it looks like you're trying to communicate with the mothership.
grado labs also uses this HUGE microphonic cord that's incredibly uncomfortable. i have brought grados to school before in the past, and they're amazing once you put them on, but only if you don't mind the discomfort and embarassment, and have some place to use them without bothering anyone (library nooks and crannies, for example)
it doesn't look like you're deep into some music, it looks like you're trying to communicate with the mothership.
grado labs also uses this HUGE microphonic cord that's incredibly uncomfortable. i have brought grados to school before in the past, and they're amazing once you put them on, but only if you don't mind the discomfort and embarassment, and have some place to use them without bothering anyone (library nooks and crannies, for example)
nitewulf said:
I rip my stuff at 128kbps/44.1KHz in AAC format, I think it gives the best size:sound quality ratio, especially given that I'm listening through open headphones. Also, everything sounds fine through speakers, so it's not a huge deal. Worst case scenario is that hard drives get bigger, and, God willing when I eventually have to replace this iPod, I'll re-encode at a higher bitrate.
Anyway, just to clarify, my ripped stuff comes out great. But you occasionally get some jackass on WinMX who thinks everything's "fine" with the 96kbps mp3 he encoded while burning a CD.
So, in conclusion:
Whatever.
Fresh Prince
Banned
Superb as you can get. I think most people have mp3's at least at 120kps, which is decent quality enough. However people want their music now at higher qualities 192kbps and the such. Most people who have legitimately owned music would probably re-rip their cd's into a higher bitrate or into ogg,flac etc, if they knew the sound difference.
I see your point but to me the real difference are headphones. Most of the stuff that was argued about were basically features and not directly concerning sound itself. Also you have to remember that not all cd players do not authentically produce sound as well. They suffer from the same component issues as mp3 players, especially since they've become more inexpensive. In fact regardless you will have a hard time finding a perfect 'source', it would be espensive and very few people would be able to tell the difference anyway.
It annoys me when people will spend hundreds of dollars on a new source but will not even get a decent pair of inexpensive headphones for it.
Sony is pretty much viled for their headphones, nitewulf. If you like a hi-fi sound then they probably suit your purpose, but there is better....
I see your point but to me the real difference are headphones. Most of the stuff that was argued about were basically features and not directly concerning sound itself. Also you have to remember that not all cd players do not authentically produce sound as well. They suffer from the same component issues as mp3 players, especially since they've become more inexpensive. In fact regardless you will have a hard time finding a perfect 'source', it would be espensive and very few people would be able to tell the difference anyway.
It annoys me when people will spend hundreds of dollars on a new source but will not even get a decent pair of inexpensive headphones for it.
Sony is pretty much viled for their headphones, nitewulf. If you like a hi-fi sound then they probably suit your purpose, but there is better....
Freestyler
Member
bionic77 said:
Wellllll, I wrap the cord from the remote around the iPod three times vertically, which leaves a little bit of cord sticking up from within my left pocket (where the iPod goes), with the remote clipped onto the 'edge' of my left pocket. I then plug in the headphones into the remote, and slide the headphones underneath my shirt, touching my hot bare chest, all the way up, out of my shirt so that you only see a little bit of white cord, then the earphones go right into my ears.
So when I take the headphones out, they just dangle over the top of my collar, onto my outer chest. Easy as, and there's no cord to get caught in anything. It's all under my skin, so to speak.
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-Touch Pad Control for fast scrolling
-Up to 24hrs continuous playback1
-Up to 97dB Signal-to-Noise Ratio - as good as expensive hi-fi systems!
-20GB hard drive holds up to 10,000 WMA or 5,000 MP3 songs
-Create and customize playlists on-the-go
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-USB 2.0 for faster transfer
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-AudioSync lets you seamlessly update your Creative Zen Touch with your latest music on your PC at the touch of a button
-FM radio, voice and FM recording via optional wired remote control (available separately)
Since the previous Zen's were larger than the Ipods, these new Zen Touches will probably be the same size as the current Ipods but larger than the new Ipods. Said to have the best sound quality of any player and the longest battery life yet.
I'm using a Dell DJ now with it's 20 hours of battery life and I have the thing on during 2 full 9 hour days at work and the drives to and from my house to work. You just can't do that with the current Ipods, not even the new 12 hr Ipods. Sure I bow down to iTunes, but my player is never wired to an outlet every evening, just every 3rd evening.
I'm using a Dell DJ now with it's 20 hours of battery life and I have the thing on during 2 full 9 hour days at work and the drives to and from my house to work. You just can't do that with the current Ipods, not even the new 12 hr Ipods. Sure I bow down to iTunes, but my player is never wired to an outlet every evening, just every 3rd evening.
smirkrevenge
Member
uhmmm question to all those arguing about battery life:
when are you listening to mp3s for 24 HOURS STRAIGHT?!?!?!
please...gimme a break with this battery argument. if you're listening to music non-stop, maybe you should try conversation for a bit. there hasn't been longer than a 10 hour period (plane ride) when i've been without my AC adapter, and my 3rd gen ipod has lasted that long. and plus...there's a LOT of ways you can conserve on battery power (turning off the clicky noise, backlight timer, EQ mode). i've had both a 2nd gen and a 3rd gen ipod...and both of them are still running fantastic as far as battery life. if you do need to have music running constantly, just bring your dock with you or a charger with you. not that difficult.
another thing...if you're gonna argue about sound quality...LISTEN TO THE CD. kids these days...sure i have an ipod with tons of mp3s on it...but if i'm gonna be listening to something that is hi-fi (someone said Flaming Lips, good analogy)...i'm going to be at home chilling with my Sennheisers connected to my hi-fi system CD or LP player. MP3 sound quality...even for the ipod...is ADEQUATE for portable use. if you find it lacking, it's probably because of less-than-average headphones. find what works for you...whether that is earbuds, in-earbuds, over-the-ear, behind-the-ear, or whatever. personally, i can't stand in-ear because it feels uncomfortable, but many people prefer that. there are plenty of options out there.
and...i feel like i bring this up in every ipod thread but...YES it is very expensive, even with the recent price drops. you're paying a premium on style and easy-to-use factor. no other mp3 players come close in the aesthetic style of the ipod, or they just mimic it. and really folks, the way Apple has everything set up on the ipod is really really damn intuitive. i've played with most of the other current mp3 players out there, and something about their menus just doesn't "click" with me (oops bad pun). of course, that is more personal opinion than fact. see what works for you. there can be some problems with windows machines, but again, just find something that works for you. a lot of people prefer itunes, i'm more of an ephpod man myself. if you think it's too expensive...then TS. just don't buy it! there are a lot of things i can't afford...but i'm not complaining about it. if you can't stay at the ritz-carlton, then stay at the local holiday inn. and if you really want an ipod...just save up your moneys. i think it's more than worth it. anyway...my two cents. i always bring this up in the ipod threads...but of course no one ever listens.
when are you listening to mp3s for 24 HOURS STRAIGHT?!?!?!
please...gimme a break with this battery argument. if you're listening to music non-stop, maybe you should try conversation for a bit. there hasn't been longer than a 10 hour period (plane ride) when i've been without my AC adapter, and my 3rd gen ipod has lasted that long. and plus...there's a LOT of ways you can conserve on battery power (turning off the clicky noise, backlight timer, EQ mode). i've had both a 2nd gen and a 3rd gen ipod...and both of them are still running fantastic as far as battery life. if you do need to have music running constantly, just bring your dock with you or a charger with you. not that difficult.
another thing...if you're gonna argue about sound quality...LISTEN TO THE CD. kids these days...sure i have an ipod with tons of mp3s on it...but if i'm gonna be listening to something that is hi-fi (someone said Flaming Lips, good analogy)...i'm going to be at home chilling with my Sennheisers connected to my hi-fi system CD or LP player. MP3 sound quality...even for the ipod...is ADEQUATE for portable use. if you find it lacking, it's probably because of less-than-average headphones. find what works for you...whether that is earbuds, in-earbuds, over-the-ear, behind-the-ear, or whatever. personally, i can't stand in-ear because it feels uncomfortable, but many people prefer that. there are plenty of options out there.
and...i feel like i bring this up in every ipod thread but...YES it is very expensive, even with the recent price drops. you're paying a premium on style and easy-to-use factor. no other mp3 players come close in the aesthetic style of the ipod, or they just mimic it. and really folks, the way Apple has everything set up on the ipod is really really damn intuitive. i've played with most of the other current mp3 players out there, and something about their menus just doesn't "click" with me (oops bad pun). of course, that is more personal opinion than fact. see what works for you. there can be some problems with windows machines, but again, just find something that works for you. a lot of people prefer itunes, i'm more of an ephpod man myself. if you think it's too expensive...then TS. just don't buy it! there are a lot of things i can't afford...but i'm not complaining about it. if you can't stay at the ritz-carlton, then stay at the local holiday inn. and if you really want an ipod...just save up your moneys. i think it's more than worth it. anyway...my two cents. i always bring this up in the ipod threads...but of course no one ever listens.
smirkrevenge
Member
right...you clearly didn't read what i said. nowhere in my reply was i forcing someone to buy an ipod. i was just commenting on the fact that a lot of you bring up these unwarranted issues on a very fine piece of machinery. it's annoying and nitpicky. apple isn't forcing anyone to buy their product. i said two times in my reply, find something that works for you. the ipod just happens to be my weapon of choice, but doesn't have to be yours. i just like to bring some sort of balance to these otherwise always derailed threads.
and i guess i should have made myself clear on the sound quality thing...listen to the fucking CD. it will always be higher quality than mp3. and your ears must be gifts from god if you can clearly define the aural inconsistencies of compressed audio. cos if so, you'd realize that the actual CD would be better than "the many mp3 players on the market with better sound-quality." no matter how you slice it, mp3 will always be inferior to the original digital copy.
EDIT: and for those of you wanting to buy one of the new ones, it is currently available to order at the apple store. one of my friends ordered one, and it will be shipped this week.
and i guess i should have made myself clear on the sound quality thing...listen to the fucking CD. it will always be higher quality than mp3. and your ears must be gifts from god if you can clearly define the aural inconsistencies of compressed audio. cos if so, you'd realize that the actual CD would be better than "the many mp3 players on the market with better sound-quality." no matter how you slice it, mp3 will always be inferior to the original digital copy.
EDIT: and for those of you wanting to buy one of the new ones, it is currently available to order at the apple store. one of my friends ordered one, and it will be shipped this week.
Fresh Prince
Banned
Longer battery life just means the longer you have to go without charging, that is most people's gripes concerning short battery life. Who wants to charge their mp3 player twice as much as they normally could.
Also why go for second best?
Again cd players are not a perfect source as people say. The have inherit component issues as well. Let me put it this way, all tv's recieve the same signal, however they display these signals vary.
Yes, Apple deserve some repect for making it inuitive(sp?), so did Nokia. They opened up the marketplace.
Please tell me why I should get the new 4G iPod over the 3G iPod? You look at the improvments iRiver try to make. You look at the effort Creative try to make, by releasing a more astheically(iPod rip off) appealing product.
Note the words 'try to make'.
What has Apple done?
Also why go for second best?
Again cd players are not a perfect source as people say. The have inherit component issues as well. Let me put it this way, all tv's recieve the same signal, however they display these signals vary.
Yes, Apple deserve some repect for making it inuitive(sp?), so did Nokia. They opened up the marketplace.
Please tell me why I should get the new 4G iPod over the 3G iPod? You look at the improvments iRiver try to make. You look at the effort Creative try to make, by releasing a more astheically(iPod rip off) appealing product.
Note the words 'try to make'.
What has Apple done?
smirkrevenge
Member
see...i don't see it necessarily as "charging" the player. you can still use it while it's charging...do people realize this?
as far as deciding which one to get, the 3g ones are going for cheap on amazon.com. if you absolutely have to have the newest things, obviously get the 4g. but the 3g is perfectly fine. also...do your research. go to the store and play with the different machines, listen to them, see what is good and bad about them. that's the only way i can tell you how to make your purchase. it's a lot of money to drop, so just do your research beforehand.
anybody willing to buy a 3g 40 gb? it's in pristine condition (my mom's, she barely uses it, it sits on the dock all day), i can provide pics if necessary. anyway...not a confirmed sell...but i just want to see what people will offer. maybe i can free up some money to upgrade mine...=P
as far as deciding which one to get, the 3g ones are going for cheap on amazon.com. if you absolutely have to have the newest things, obviously get the 4g. but the 3g is perfectly fine. also...do your research. go to the store and play with the different machines, listen to them, see what is good and bad about them. that's the only way i can tell you how to make your purchase. it's a lot of money to drop, so just do your research beforehand.
anybody willing to buy a 3g 40 gb? it's in pristine condition (my mom's, she barely uses it, it sits on the dock all day), i can provide pics if necessary. anyway...not a confirmed sell...but i just want to see what people will offer. maybe i can free up some money to upgrade mine...=P
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