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[Frustrated_me]

it will probably be on the touch bar when it's applicable

I hope I'm not the only that thinks this is probably not a good idea, like at all right? What is this Apple team drinking these days? One of the most important keys on the keyboard.. Gone, to be replaced by a touch strip.

Might as well make the whole keyboard touch.

 

[icespide]

I hope I'm not the only that thinks this is probably not a good idea, like at all right? What is this Apple team drinking these days? One of the most important keys on the keyboard.. Gone, to be replaced by a touch strip.

Might as well make the whole keyboard touch.

eh I dunno, it's controversial for sure. I think it's debatable that it's one of the most important keys

 

[faceless007]

It forces these people to invest in the new technology. It leads to third parties to develop USB-C products at a faster rate. If you coddle older technology and not force people's hand, then change will not happen or at a slow rate. It is a radical move, but possibly in a few years, people will not second guess it if USB-C finally takes off and is the main port on all machines.

The MBP has presumably always been the worst selling Apple laptop because most users are not pro users and it's always been of a higher price tier so I don't think the relatively small quantities of buyers of this Pro would be the galvanizing change you say it would. I'll also note that while Apple continues to sell the Air (by most accounts the most popular line) that's even less likely.

Anyway my point wasn't really about USB-C specifically (cables, unlike headphones, are easily swapped) but that the broader fetishization of thinness and removal of existing functionality is not conducive to the market for the Pro in the first place. A common argument, even in this thread, is "most people don't use those ports anyway" which completely misses the fact that the whole point of the Pro is that it's not for most users in the first place but for those who do have specialized use cases. If Apple wants to decide, as it seem they are, that those power users simply aren't an important enough base to keep happy and that their monolithic design language is more important, well, I don't think those users are out of line in feeling annoyed.

In general I find the sentiment that "supporting your users' actual use cases and livelihoods while not inconveniencing them or forcing them to buy extra stuff to recover lost functionality" amounts to "coddling" -- common among Apple fans apparently -- is a reflexively anti-user stance and one driven by confusing a company's interests with your own. The reason I buy a computer is because I want it to do what I want it to, not what the manufacturer wants me to.

 

[eyeball_kid]

Wait there is no ESC key? Are you kidding me, I mean who OK'd that? How would you quickly cancel out, go back or close window without the ESC key present?

My assumption is that there will be a modifier key (probably the 'fn' key), that when held down will switch the bar back to the system-level ESC and Fn keys.

 

[ThoseDeafMutes]

The MBP has presumably always been the worst selling Apple laptop because most users are not pro users and it's always been of a higher price tier so I don't think the relatively small quantities of buyers of this Pro would be the galvanizing change you say it would. I'll also note that while Apple continues to sell the Air (by most accounts the most popular line) that's even less likely.

For real. If they wanted to drive for USB-C adoption they could start by adding them to their phones and tablets. I think there's some kind of bizarre corporate culture at Apple where they legitimately believe all this stuff about courage and think that dropping support for "old" "obsolete" standards with no transition time is an intrinsic good whether or not it's actually well timed in the market.

 

[jstripes]

One single "leaked" photo of the touch strip in a very specific scenario, using Apple Pay, and everyone's acting like the sky is falling.

Can we wait and see what it looks like in its normal mode before jumping to the conclusion that Tim Cook and Jony Ive hate Esc and want to banish it from the planet?

 

[icespide]

One single "leaked" photo of the touch strip in a very specific scenario, using Apple Pay, and everyone's acting like the sky is falling.

Can we wait and see what it looks like in its normal mode before jumping to the conclusion that Tim Cook and Jony Ive hate Esc and want to banish it from the planet?

nah breh Apple gonna Apple. it takes courage to invent everything

 

[FireAndBlood]

When can you typically order an Apple product after they announce it at their event?

I am in a meeting during the event. I am worried the macbook pro will be back-ordered by the time I get the chance to buy one.

 

[icespide]

When can you typically order an Apple product after they announce it at their event?

I am in a meeting during the event. I am worried the macbook pro will be back-ordered by the time I get the chance to buy one.

it really depends. The only product with any predictability in terms of preorder schedules is the iPhone. Other products could be: preorder in 2 weeks, go buy it in store today, shipping in a few months, etc.

 

[jstripes]

When can you typically order an Apple product after they announce it at their event?

I am in a meeting during the event. I am worried the macbook pro will be back-ordered by the time I get the chance to buy one.

The online store is typically down during the keynote, but comes back up shortly after.

Usually anything Mac is available the day it's unveiled.

 

[Hellix]

I'm debating if I should get the new one or see how the prices are discounted for the 2015 version...

 

[Coffinhal]

Everything USB-c is annoying right now
No more Magsafe is annoying
The touch bar could be useful but that's gadget

The Surface Book from Microsoft looks way better than anything Apple since the Macbook Air. Windows 10 is so close to MacOS and the hardware quality of these products are so close to the "Apple seal of quality" that I might switch next time to Microsoft.

people will claim "apple has innovated again!!!"

that top bar will be great for putting ads though.
"Your iphone is out of date. Time to upgrade!"
"USB dongles on sale! only $99.99"

This isn't funny nor correct

 

[jts]

USB-C is the single most powerful, most flexible, most versatile, best port in a computer ever. It doesn't reduce connectivity, it tenfold increases it.

And the MacBook Pro will have 4 of them.

"but why do so they call it Pro?"

Because it's the top of the line MacBook that Mac using professionals will pick if they need a laptop. You're out of touch if you don't think that these exist, from iOS developers to photo/video/design/music professionals.

Meanwhile I don't even see any sort of whine for the PS4 Pro moniker, because nothing says professional like playing console videogames.

 

[Chitown B]

excited for tomorrow. finally upgrading after 7 years.

 

[dextran]

I will miss Magsafe.

I will miss my brand new computer when I trip over the power cord and send it flying onto the floor.
I destroyed a precious MacBook pro pre magsafe and have countless near miss detachments with magsafe.

This is instant no buy for me. Unless there is a usb-c magsafe adapter there's no way I'm risking the breakage of a 3000 machine.

 

[Chitown B]

While I want Magsafe too, it's also a case of "I know I have it so I'm less safe about how I deal with my power cord"

There are ways to be more careful. Plus with a new MBP the battery life will be great so it shouldn't need to be plugged in all that often when you're using it.

 

[jts]

I will miss my brand new computer when I trip over the power cord and send it flying onto the floor.
I destroyed a precious MacBook pro pre magsafe and have countless near miss detachments with magsafe.

This is instant no buy for me. Unless there is a usb-c magsafe adapter there's no way I'm risking the breakage of a 3000 machine.

How does the machine you're buying instead charge?

If it's that important why not just get insurance, that has the additional advantage of covering other kinds of accidents that can happen to your $3K machine, instead of being limited to a proprietary, expensive, uncommon, limited, single-purposed port to charge your computer?

 

[Silvard]

What are the odds on the 13" rMBP having an unprecedented dedicated GPU?

 

[The Real Abed]

What are the odds on the 13" rMBP having an unprecedented dedicated GPU?

Pretty small. Really small.

 

[KonradLaw]

Wait there is no ESC key? Are you kidding me, I mean who OK'd that? How would you quickly cancel out, go back or close window without the ESC key present?

Don't worry brah. Apple's got you covered:

 

[GeorgioCostanzaX]

Looks cool but I'm more excited about picking up a current gen upgrade for my 2012 MacBook Pro on the cheap after the inevitable price drop.

 

[grebby]

I've got a feeling the touch pad is gonna be pretty gimmicky, but whatever. I can live with it.

The burning question for me is the keyboard. If it's got the same garbage keyboard as the Macbook then I don't see myself ever buying one of these.

 

[PhoncipleBone]

Don't worry brah. Apple's got you covered:

Okay, that is one of the few Apple accessory jokes to make me chuckle.

 

[yoonshik]

I've got a feeling the touch pad is gonna be pretty gimmicky, but whatever. I can live with it.

The burning question for me is the keyboard. If it's got the same garbage keyboard as the Macbook then I don't see myself ever buying one of these.

is really that bad?

 

[Jill Sandwich]

is really that bad?

It's a personal thing. It doesn't bother me in the slightest but others make it out to be like a turd in your cheerios. I got used to it within a week, like using touchscreen keyboards.

 

[Auctopus]

Looks cool but I'm more excited about picking up a current gen upgrade for my 2012 MacBook Pro on the cheap after the inevitable price drop.

This is what I'm hoping for too but I don't remember if they keep old models around for long or whether they immediately remove them from stores.

is really that bad?

I can't speak for everyone but I hate it. It feels like every key is broken or it has like some food crumbs underneath the middle. The size of the keys are all weird too. I swap between Macs and Windows all day and the only time my typing messes up or slows down is on that keyboard.

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

They dropped the SD port? Ouch, guess a few of my professional photography friends won't be upgrading right away.

So much for "Pro" in MacBook Pro. I was actually interested in it but now it's a no.

Edit: Forget the lack of ESC key, where's the Power button?

 

[TheGuardian]

So much for "Pro" in MacBook Pro. I was actually interested in it but now it's a no.

Edit: Forget the lack of ESC key, where's the Power button?

Seems like it's on the right of the OLED bar. It's where Touch ID is as well.

 

[Lord Error]

is really that bad?

I would say it's objectively worse for blind typing, as it's more difficult to feel the positions of where your fingers are supposed to go, or to feel if your fingers have started slipping between keys a bit etc. It's like touchscreen keyboard that way, only not as bad.

 

[Stumpokapow]

is really that bad?

I had about a 30 minute learning curve when I got my 2016 MacBook, and then went back to typing at my regular speed (~105-110 wpm). It does feel different and unusual, but not worse, imho. I can feel my way around the keyboard no problem and type with eyes closed or not looking at it.

 

[jts]

So much for "Pro" in MacBook Pro. I was actually interested in it but now it's a no.

Edit: Forget the lack of ESC key, where's the Power button?

So now Macs can't even turn on. Great. Just great. Well done, Apple.

 

[SynthFetish]

Might as well make the whole keyboard touch.

Oh god, don't tempt fate.

 

[Zeyphersan]

So now Macs can't even turn on. Great. Just great. Well done, Apple.

Those iSheep deserve what's coming to them

 

[nomis]

Don't worry brah. Apple's got you covered:

Already posted in this thread?

http://www.martinhajek.com/the-1st-accessory-for-the-oled-macbook/

Jony Ive needs to be paying this dude royalties

 

[jimbobsmells]

USB-C is the single most powerful, most flexible, most versatile, best port in a computer ever. It doesn't reduce connectivity, it tenfold increases it.

And the MacBook Pro will have 4 of them.

"but why do so they call it Pro?"

Because it's the top of the line MacBook that Mac using professionals will pick if they need a laptop. You're out of touch if you don't think that these exist, from iOS developers to photo/video/design/music professionals.

Meanwhile I don't even see any sort of whine for the PS4 Pro moniker, because nothing says professional like playing console videogames.

That's not how it works. Apple must be hilariously mocked and ridiculed at all times, otherwise we might all realise that deep inside we actually like their products.
It's like the socially awkward playground boy with a crush on a girl. He can't understand these feelings so he teases her instead.

 

[Blackhead]

I will miss my brand new computer when I trip over the power cord and send it flying onto the floor.
I destroyed a precious MacBook pro pre magsafe and have countless near miss detachments with magsafe.

This is instant no buy for me. Unless there is a usb-c magsafe adapter there's no way I'm risking the breakage of a 3000 machine.

How does the machine you're buying instead charge?

If it's that important why not just get insurance, that has the additional advantage of covering other kinds of accidents that can happen to your $3K machine, instead of being limited to a proprietary, expensive, uncommon, limited, single-purposed port to charge your computer?

Eh Griffin's breaksafe magnetic usb-c adapter

(Assuming no problems/inconsistencies with Apple's charging implementation)

is really that bad?

Horrible. Had to return a MacBook as I couldn't get used to it within the 14 day return period

 

[nomis]

Horrible. Had to return a MacBook as I couldn't get used to it within the 14 day return period

Heard a supply chain rumour a while back that the new MBP keyboard would be the same new mechanism as the MacBook, which is by all accounts a good butterfly switch, but with greater travel distance. If it isn't true though, I'm not buying one.

 

[Verder]

Already posted in this thread?

http://www.martinhajek.com/the-1st-accessory-for-the-oled-macbook/

Jony Ive needs to be paying this dude royalties

i need my escape key.

this has made my night at 12am.

bless

 

[31GhostsIV]

As someone who has used Macs for as long as he can remember and iPhones since the 3G, I'm finding my Apple 'faith' strained by some of their bizarre decisions.

They're starting to remind me of Nintendo a bit, becoming so obsessed with shoehorning gimmicky shit into everything that they forget why people used their machines in the first place.

 

[Omikaru]

As someone who has used Macs for as long as he can remember and iPhones since the 3G, I'm finding my Apple 'faith' strained by some of their bizarre decisions.

They're starting to remind me of Nintendo a bit, becoming so obsessed with shoehorning gimmicky shit into everything that they forget why people used their machines in the first place.

100% this. I actually have a great setup now; a Mac Mini 2012/2015 MacBook Pro combo, an iPad Air 2 and iPhone 6S, all of which I love and will last me years, but if I were in the market for a whole new computer setup tomorrow I would not have a single Apple product because of their bizarre decisions and fetishisation of thinness at the cost of functionality.

 

[Chumley]

Eh Griffin's breaksafe magnetic usb-c adapter

(Assuming no problems/inconsistencies with Apple's charging implementation)

Horrible. Had to return a MacBook as I couldn't get used to it within the 14 day return period

Jesus fucking christ I'm already spinning at the amount of dongles this thing will require.

Thank god I won't be buying one till another 3 years when USB-C and the LED touch bar has matured. Right now it seems like a nightmare.

As someone who has used Macs for as long as he can remember and iPhones since the 3G, I'm finding my Apple 'faith' strained by some of their bizarre decisions.

They're starting to remind me of Nintendo a bit, becoming so obsessed with shoehorning gimmicky shit into everything that they forget why people used their machines in the first place.

As an owner of an iPhone 7, you're right. Having to fucking attach the lightning dongle to my headphones every time I want to plug it in is already annoying as hell, and I can't just go with a lightning pair of headphones with no dongle because I use an ipod nano, macbook pro, and headphone jacks at the gym to listen to the news.

 

[Koyuga]

Them dropping the function keys leads me to ask: what product will apple remove features from next?

Spoiler

It looks fantastic. Wish I could justify buying one.

 

[Chumley]

is really that bad?

Yes. The new magic keyboard for desktops is amazing though.

 

[Mindwipe]

For real. If they wanted to drive for USB-C adoption they could start by adding them to their phones and tablets. I think there's some kind of bizarre corporate culture at Apple where they legitimately believe all this stuff about courage and think that dropping support for "old" "obsolete" standards with no transition time is an intrinsic good whether or not it's actually well timed in the market.

Yep. They should also unquestionably, unquestionably kill the awful use of Lightning connectors on the Mac wireless keyboard, mouse and trackpad (and fix what a trainwreck the last models were for all those respective devices).

They could also do things like make their USB-C to HDMI/USB adaptor actually work. Which it doesn't, and has never ever since they shipped it - despite having a very, very un-Apple kludge of requiring you to fully reboot your Macbook when plugging it in *twice* to install firmware updates out of the box just to get it to even be recognised.

The Apple accessories division is in total freefall.

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

So function keys, escape and power button are all touch? I never like the idea of power button being anything but a physical button. Touch screens can and will act on you, and hard reboots will be a pain without a button.

 

[Mindwipe]

USB-C is the single most powerful, most flexible, most versatile, best port in a computer ever. It doesn't reduce connectivity, it tenfold increases it.

As much as I'm a big fan of USB-C, the rollout has not been smooth.

Apple's USB-C to HDMI/USB adaptor is so bad that I had to get a refund, and was told by a Genius that they "simply don't think the product is fit for purpose" a year after it launched.

HTC ballsed up their charging implementation.

Google still haven't got HDMI over USB-C working on the Pixel-C, 11 months after it was promised in a "forthcoming update". And let's face it, even when they do the chances of it working with the Apple adaptor are pretty slim.

That's not the level of interoperability that the standard promised nor that people expect of USB, and that's a problem.

 

[SuperEpicMan]

Already posted in this thread?

http://www.martinhajek.com/the-1st-accessory-for-the-oled-macbook/

Jony Ive needs to be paying this dude royalties

This is beyond stupid.

 

[Souless_PJ]

Apple's USB-C to HDMI/USB adaptor is so bad that I had to get a refund, and was told by a Genius that they "simply don't think the product is fit for purpose" a year after it launched.

I've had a MacBook since launch with the adapter running a 1440p HDMI ASUS monitor every day in the office and haven't had a single issue with it. What didn't work for you?

 

[The Mule]

i need my escape key.

bind that shit to caps lock for easier access. esc in the top-left is in fucking no man's land, and who seriously uses caps lock on a regular basis?

 

[Sony]

The OLED strip can be a nice gimmick to see incoming texts or Caller ID.