I'm going to be pedantic, but Lenovo always had the "universally agreed upon greatest laptop keyboard" haven't they? Even after they removed their old thick-ass style a few years ago, reviews were still pretty great for the new ones?
New MacBook Pro leaked by Apple itself in latest macOS update
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n0razi
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How is that any different than a touch screen which $99 budget windows tablets have?
There isn't really going to be anymore suitable CPUs for the 15" than the Skylake with Iris Pro for quite awhile. No quad core Kaby Lake chips with top tier igpu are currently on the radar. But, the Kaby Lake suitable for the 13" is supposed to be out Q1 next year so perhaps a fall refresh in 2017 would have it. The rumored new MacBook could likely have Kaby Lake.
Goddamn that's some dribbling fanboy rationalisation, you just made me cringe so hard I nearly chipped a tooth.
VanquishUK
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I'm sure Apple will make it look great in a video when they announce it.
opticalmace
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4 USB-C ports to me just says "dongle city," at least for my uses.
My 2013 rMBP is still running well, but if I have to replace it I don't think these new MBPs would be high on my list. I hate keeping track of adapters.
My 2013 rMBP is still running well, but if I have to replace it I don't think these new MBPs would be high on my list. I hate keeping track of adapters.
Apple puts emojis on there and that alone would be a huge improvement for regular users
The post you quoted was specifically talking about using a slider in combination with the keyboard. For context on other functions, such as a fingerprint scanner, see my other posts. To address your specific point, the $99 budget tablets do not have a physical keyboard, trackpad or this touch bar that is not part of the main screen. My other posts also discuss other functionality.
Freestyler
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Who uses SD cards in 2016? I've literally never used the one in my 2013 rMBP.
Are these the same people who cry about the removal of the headphone jack on the iPhone 7?
Are these the same people who cry about the removal of the headphone jack on the iPhone 7?
I'm a student that does a lot of media related stuff. I use mine literally every day. I have an SD card in my MBA right now actually.
Me, when I'm dumping photos from my Fuji camera. It's weird that you think using SD cards is weird just because you've personally never used one. Like, dumb weird y'know.
newtypepilot
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people will claim "apple has innovated again!!!"
that top bar will be great for putting ads though.
"Your iphone is out of date. Time to upgrade!"
"USB dongles on sale! only $99.99"
Hopefully once this is out in public Apple can go back to work on the Mac Mini and refresh the goddamn hardware.
I really wanna give apple a try but their laptops and desktops are insane, and building a hackingtosh is a pain in the ass. I'm just not willing to pay for what they're offering with the mini.
I really wanna give apple a try but their laptops and desktops are insane, and building a hackingtosh is a pain in the ass. I'm just not willing to pay for what they're offering with the mini.
As usual for Apple, they aren't the first, but they often do it best.
uncelestial
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"We" aren't doing shit. You're weirdly bringing up the Elitebook which is larger, uglier, heavier, a PC, and achieved a grand total of two USB-C ports instead of one. In the review you linked to to attempt to draw an equivalence, the writer states that the Macbooks look "better, and the engineering is more impressive," says that the Elitebook has a worse screen running at a lower res, and notes that to pull off their design, HP resorted to weird charging voltages on their adapters that make their actually irrelevant not-a-Mac not play nice with other Type-C chargers. So, I don't see the argument for "see? we could have had two ports!"
Ports are not the end-all be-all of hardware design. Things aren't trending towards "more ports, by any means necessary, even if they're shitty and use non-standard voltages and introduce hardware tradeoffs nobody will like." They are trending towards wireless connectivity and convergence. Really, I've been using this Macbook for months now -- you aren't missing a thing. Nothing is plugged into this laptop 99% of the time.
Cameras and printers have both had wireless transfer for years, same with mice and keyboards and game controllers and internet connections and headsets... If we can get super slim laptops out of letting go of ports, I'm just saying there's a lot of interested users, myself included.
FantasticMrFoxdie
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Goddamnit Apple this removing of ports shit is such a deal breaker.
it's like they are trying really hard to make me jump ship
it's like they are trying really hard to make me jump ship
- I didn't draw an equivalence, the Ars Technica writer did.
- The Elitebook offers two different screen options with the 4K touchscreen display much better than the Macbook's screen.
- The Elitebook uses 'non-standard' voltages to protect the laptop from the shitty usb cables currently available and fwiw Apple also fucked around with the USBC charging on their Macbooks
but it's a PC so of course you don't care about it.
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It's not your only computer though. You also use the iPad and 17" Dell every week, right?
I don't disagree and I'm looking forward to the wireless future but it's not either/or. You can obviously have both wireless and ports.
What's annoying is that Apple only seems to be paying lipservice to this supposedly wireless future. Apple doesn't support/innovate wireless charging, wireless USB, wireless HDMI etc. When Steve Jobs introduced the original Macbook Air without a CD drive, he also introduced Remote Disk. But now Apple would rather give you a dongle instead.
jts
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The way I see it they are adding 4 ports of the best, most flexible, most powerful standard computers have ever seen. 4 of them that can do so much more than the ones theyre removing. Thats the meaning of upgrade.
Too bad USB-C cables are still pricey because it really is as simple as replacing our current cables.
One of the dumbest things Ive read today, and Ive read plenty already.
seriously? lol
I use SD cards, but my SD card slot wore out. :/
Angelus Errare
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lol at all of this.
……forgetit
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Everyone with an actual camera.
Feel the Swift
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Is there seriously no adapters the size of a thumb drive for USB-C? No one wants to carry around cables or have them hanging from their laptop.
Is there seriously no adapters the size of a thumb drive for USB-C? No one wants to carry around cables or have them hanging from their laptop.
I have a nonda mini adapter, which is tiny, but I can't really recommend it as it stopped working after a few weeks :/
It's not only just that there are few USB-C adapters/cables available but also the ones that do exist aren't very good...
If there aren't now there will be soon.
Plenty of professionals shoot on actual video cameras that use SD, or cameras like the Panasonic GH4 or Sony a7s/a6000 series. Not to mention GoPro's and drones.
Losing the SD card is definitely going to be a very real annoyance for me, but it's not an annoyance to the extent that it would prevent me from getting the new MBP if other features/upgrades are worthwhile.
Feel the Swift
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That's what I was looking for. Sorry to hear you didn't get your money's worth :/
Freestyler
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Then plug the SD Card into a USB SD Card reader? I'd say for the vast majority of users who don't use SD Cards, they would prefer that the internal space (and external appearance) is not dictated to by including a port they never/seldom use.
Oh and I never said weird, I just think those who rely on the SD Card slot daily are probably in the minority and not worth designing a laptop around.
My SD card reader is USB type A so I'm gonna need a new one of those.
Anyway, go move some more goalposts dude...
Oh and I said it was weird.
I had this one from OnePlus that worked well until my wife took and lost it:
https://oneplus.net/oneplus-usb-type-c-adapter
Freestyler
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You might need a new USB-C floppy disk reader and DVD burner too. I'll let you know if I see a good one!
faceless007
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I understand the move toward miniaturization and streamlining of ports on the rMB line; it's built for the average user who doesn't have a lot of peripherals and mostly uses the computer for basic productivity and web stuff but for whom portability is essential. I get that. I still think the removal of Magsafe is a mistake but the overall philosophy of its design makes sense.
What I don't understand is why they're pushing so hard in that direction for the Pro line, which by its very nature and name is geared toward power users, precisely those who do need to connect peripherals and rely on external storage (where yes, SD cards and USB sticks are often the most convenient), who have workflows already setup and who often spend more time with the computer docked with an external monitor (or two) than having to rely on immediate portability. The whole point of differentiating product lines is that you gear toward different use cases, but if Apple is so fixated on fetishizing thinness and no ports to the point that they're shoehorning it into the product line where those are not the primary selling points at the expense of actual functionality, who do they think they're building it for in the first place? What utility is gained for Pro users by doing that? If they wanted a non-Pro machine, they would get a non-Pro machine.
What I don't understand is why they're pushing so hard in that direction for the Pro line, which by its very nature and name is geared toward power users, precisely those who do need to connect peripherals and rely on external storage (where yes, SD cards and USB sticks are often the most convenient), who have workflows already setup and who often spend more time with the computer docked with an external monitor (or two) than having to rely on immediate portability. The whole point of differentiating product lines is that you gear toward different use cases, but if Apple is so fixated on fetishizing thinness and no ports to the point that they're shoehorning it into the product line where those are not the primary selling points at the expense of actual functionality, who do they think they're building it for in the first place? What utility is gained for Pro users by doing that? If they wanted a non-Pro machine, they would get a non-Pro machine.
The Real Abed
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Removing the ports won't really bother me much. All I'll need is an adapter for USB-C to USB-A for my occasional external HDD usage. I'll just buy a new cable for my phone for use at my computer that doesn't need an adapter. In the 3 years I've had my machine I've used the HDMI port maybe twice. Rarely use the Thunderbolt ports. Headphone jack though I use all the time. When not at my desk the most I use is a port for my phone if it's low on power. But I do keep my computer plugged in so having more than one port is important. So that's good. I just hope the Pro lets you charge from any port on any side instead of limiting it like some PC laptop would. (I really hate when something comes with separate USB 2 and 3 ports. Just put all 3s on them!)
Time to start saving for next fall to get a revision B model.
Time to start saving for next fall to get a revision B model.
Zombie James
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I've been thinking about the port situation and what I would need would be one of these...
...with an SD card slot and I'd be pretty much set for my setup (external monitor, external hard drive, SD card). Does anyone make one? Preferably not for $100, either.
...with an SD card slot and I'd be pretty much set for my setup (external monitor, external hard drive, SD card). Does anyone make one? Preferably not for $100, either.
Maximus.
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It forces these people to invest in the new technology. It leads to third parties to develop USB-C products at a faster rate. If you coddle older technology and not force people's hand, then change will not happen or at a slow rate. It is a radical move, but possibly in a few years, people will not second guess it if USB-C finally takes off and is the main port on all machines.
It does suck that for some users, they will have to invest in dongles and it does suck if magsafe is gone without a USB-C replacement. Magsafe is the best way to charge a laptop. I do appreciate Apple attempting to get some innovations moving and it seems that its vision is to have a wireless world sooner than later.
Spiral Insanity
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I will miss Magsafe. 
I am on my phone and am lazy, but I think I linked some earlier in the thread.
Nyuck nyuck, good one chuckles.
I've been thinking about the port situation and what I would need would be one of these...
...with an SD card slot and I'd be pretty much set for my setup (external monitor, external hard drive, SD card). Does anyone make one? Preferably not for $100, either.
You'd get a MacBook Pro and hook it up to a monitor via VGA?
So what exactly is so Pro about the new Pro? It seems decidedly consumer grade to me.
Smiles and Cries
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I am ready for a new macbook hope I can buy this in a week or so
Zombie James
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Or DVI, whatever. I have a perfectly good 21.5" 1080p screen here that I'm not going to just throw away because I bought a new computer.
Why not attach the SD card adapter to your monitor's USB?I've been thinking about the port situation and what I would need would be one of these...
...with an SD card slot and I'd be pretty much set for my setup (external monitor, external hard drive, SD card). Does anyone make one? Preferably not for $100, either.
Zombie James
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My monitor doesn't have USB.
breh
Muskieratboi
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ugh. the font on that keyboard is atrocious...
My inner typographer is not happy at this change.
My inner typographer is not happy at this change.
that font has been around for quite awhile now. It's used on both iOS and macOS, and it's on the MacBook keyboard and the magic keyboard
Frustrated_me
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Wait there is no ESC key? Are you kidding me, I mean who OK'd that? How would you quickly cancel out, go back or close window without the ESC key present?
it will probably be on the touch bar when it's applicable
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