Support NeoGAF

[BlackTron]

Gran Turismo 7, Horizon 2, Spiderman 2 were all supposed to sell the PS5 but they all went cross gen to make more sales. Now that its backwards compatible, Nintendo is not going to skip the almost most sold console ever crowd when they can make a ton of cash. You can bet your ass N is going to follow Sony and MS with cross gen titles until some time. The bar is so low as to what is allowed to be put on Switch 1, they have no problem putting out games in potato mode just to sell it there. Look at MK1. So new Mario Kart they will make all the sacrifices and sell it there because theres idiots that will buy any crap N puts out.

Wii U was BC with Wii, which was massively successful. Why didn't Wii get Wii U games? Why didn't Wii get New Super Mario Bros U at launch? Didn't they want that install base of Wii for more sales of a basic ass Super Mario game?

Sony doing something is not proof big N will do the same thing.

 

[AeonGaidenRaiden]

Wii U was BC with Wii, which was massively successful. Why didn't Wii get Wii U games? Why didn't Wii get New Super Mario Bros U at launch? Didn't they want that install base of Wii for more sales of a basic ass Super Mario game?

Sony doing something is not proof big N will do the same thing.

Wii U was a projected flop before it was even released when the public didnt even know what to make of it. They needed every person to switch to Wii U fast. Also Twilight Princess a brand new Zelda came out for both Wii and Wii U. They milked Mario Kart 8 for 10 years, you can bet MK9 is going to be on both Switches.

 

[Robb]

Someone should make a thread poll about this being cross-gen or not. I’d vote ‘no’, can’t see the framerate holding up with 24 racers. But maybe they’d be willing to release it at sub 30fps on Switch (or maybe they’ve got it to work at 60fps somehow).

 

[Emedan]

Someone should make a thread poll about this being cross-gen or not. I’d vote ‘no’, can’t see the framerate holding up with 24 racers. But maybe they’d be willing to release it at sub 30fps on Switch.

Id be really surprised if this is cross gen. Nintendo don’t do that.

 

[Robb]

Id be really surprised if this is cross gen. Nintendo don’t do that.

It’d be disappointing for sure. But I mean, Nintendo doesn’t name their systems with just “2/3/4” either, yet here we are.

There’s a first for everything.

 

[BlackTron]

Wii U was a projected flop before it was even released when the public didnt even know what to make of it. They needed every person to switch to Wii U fast. Also Twilight Princess a brand new Zelda came out for both Wii and Wii U. They milked Mario Kart 8 for 10 years, you can bet MK9 is going to be on both Switches.

This is the dumbest take ever that Wii U was a projected flop before it was even released, why did they release it then.

"We usually release a really strong Mario to support a console. This time we're gonna launch it with an exclusive 2D Mario because we project the system to be bad, even though the last system can play the same game and we sold 30 million copies of NSMB on it" it's basically contradicting yourself.

Let me guess, next you'll tell me BOTW was cross gen not because Nintendo promised WiiU owners it would come out, but because they wanted to sell more copies to a tiny base of people.

Same deal with Twilight Princess coming out on GameCube, two days after Wii version. They were moving on, didn't really want to do it, and preferred an exclusive game to make you upgrade. It was just as not to become liars. This is the only two times it's happened...and both times it was exactly one game they started making and hyping on the last hardware.

Edit: I think it just dawned on me what is REALLY going on with this crossgen topic.

4 years ago we were lauding Sony as kings for "we believe in generations" vs MS wishy washy strategy. Then they slowly deconstructed that till now everyone just says cross gen and multi plat is "the future".

Nintendo is not allowed to be #1 by sticking to their guns. They need to adopt the same strategy as the competition now, or be ridiculed.

 

[Panajev2001a]

It’d be disappointing for sure. But I mean, Nintendo doesn’t name their systems with just “2/3/4” either, yet here we are.

There’s a first for everything.

Super Switch would have worked better IMHO, but eh… expected some more Nintendo like quirks from Switch 2, but this is likely what people had been calling Switch Pro…

 

[delishcaek]

Someone should make a thread poll about this being cross-gen or not. I’d vote ‘no’, can’t see the framerate holding up with 24 racers. But maybe they’d be willing to release it at sub 30fps on Switch (or maybe they’ve got it to work at 60fps somehow).

I'd say people really need to hold on to their judgement before we get proper footage (the compression here kills all details) and especially more elaborate courses because the track shown here looks worse than some MK8 tracks. There is nothing going on here.

Just looking at cart and character models however, this supposed MK9 footage here doesn't look any worse than Sonic Racing or Crash Team Racing and both these games also had some really shitty looking tracks. CTR also had a 30fps cap on top of that.

 

[BlackTron]

Super Switch would have worked better IMHO, but eh… expected some more Nintendo like quirks from Switch 2, but this is likely what people had been calling Switch Pro…

Super Switch maybe for the mid gen refresh. They REALLY need to drive home this is a full gen change. I don't think they could have picked a better name, though my heart says Super Nintendo Switch.

 

[Darkmakaimura]

I do not like new Dankey Kang.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Super Switch maybe for the mid gen refresh. They REALLY need to drive home this is a full gen change. I don't think they could have picked a better name, though my heart says Super Nintendo Switch.

I think this IS the mid gen refresh… allowed to have its exclusive titles… anyways I get their fears but Super Nintendo Switch > Switch 2 for me.

 

[Caffeine]

I still think this is a cross gen title.

 

[SaintALia]

This is the dumbest take ever that Wii U was a projected flop before it was even released, why did they release it then.

"We usually release a really strong Mario to support a console. This time we're gonna launch it with an exclusive 2D Mario because we project the system to be bad, even though the last system can play the same game and we sold 30 million copies of NSMB on it" it's basically contradicting yourself.

Let me guess, next you'll tell me BOTW was cross gen not because Nintendo promised WiiU owners it would come out, but because they wanted to sell more copies to a tiny base of people.

Same deal with Twilight Princess coming out on GameCube, two days after Wii version. They were moving on, didn't really want to do it, and preferred an exclusive game to make you upgrade. It was just as not to become liars. This is the only two times it's happened...and both times it was exactly one game they started making and hyping on the last hardware.

Edit: I think it just dawned on me what is REALLY going on with this crossgen topic.

4 years ago we were lauding Sony as kings for "we believe in generations" vs MS wishy washy strategy. Then they slowly deconstructed that till now everyone just says cross gen and multi plat is "the future".

Nintendo is not allowed to be #1 by sticking to their guns. They need to adopt the same strategy as the competition now, or be ridiculed.

DOn't know how this topic came up, and I apologise in advance for butting into this, but I can see what they mean.

The Wii U had a bunch of issues before it released. Likely Nintendo had projections for presales and preorders, and I can't imagine them looking too good past month 2.

They spent years developing the hardware, so it's not like they could just withhold it and cancel it. I think the plan was to release it, weather the bad sales storm for a while, and when the software starts coming around, and pivot the marketing to help people'truly' get it, it will fly off the shelves. And yeah, the SOFTWARE flew off the shelves, but the hardware pretty much stayed put. Didn't help that yet again, third parties abandoned them, leaving Nintendo to do pretty much all the work. I don't even know how many WIi U third party games sold over a million copies.


Only wanted to comment on that bit. DOn't know the rest of context of the conversation to butt in more.

On topic though.

I'm really interested to see where they take this Mario Kart.
24 racers seem cool, don't know if Nintendo's online play infrastrcuture can hold that up yet but okay. The gas and refueling rumour thing sounds interesting. I saw people throwing out Mario Wonder type track transformations, there are lots of ways Nintendo can go with this. But I don't want to speculate too much, Nintendo tends to slip the script a lot, and sometimes people speculate and dream grand dreams and get utterly disappointed when it's nothing like what they dreamt up in their heads.

 

[RetroGamingUK]

Hopefully this 24 player thing is limited to certain modes/tracks.

24 seems too many and the track shown in the demo is too wide for my liking.

 

[BlackTron]

DOn't know how this topic came up, and I apologise in advance for butting into this, but I can see what they mean.

The Wii U had a bunch of issues before it released. Likely Nintendo had projections for presales and preorders, and I can't imagine them looking too good past month 2.

They spent years developing the hardware, so it's not like they could just withhold it and cancel it. I think the plan was to release it, weather the bad sales storm for a while, and when the software starts coming around, and pivot the marketing to help people'truly' get it, it will fly off the shelves. And yeah, the SOFTWARE flew off the shelves, but the hardware pretty much stayed put. Didn't help that yet again, third parties abandoned them, leaving Nintendo to do pretty much all the work. I don't even know how many WIi U third party games sold over a million copies.


Only wanted to comment on that bit. DOn't know the rest of context of the conversation to butt in more.

On topic though.

I'm really interested to see where they take this Mario Kart.
24 racers seem cool, don't know if Nintendo's online play infrastrcuture can hold that up yet but okay. The gas and refueling rumour thing sounds interesting. I saw people throwing out Mario Wonder type track transformations, there are lots of ways Nintendo can go with this. But I don't want to speculate too much, Nintendo tends to slip the script a lot, and sometimes people speculate and dream grand dreams and get utterly disappointed when it's nothing like what they dreamt up in their heads.

You aren't off base there might have been bad confidence within N about WiiU by the time it was too late. As for its impact on the conversation, which I realize is beyond your intended scope -it's still hard for me to believe that had projections been better, Mario U would have been a Wii game to grab extra sales, because Wii U would be popular "anyway" without "needing" its support.

They port old to new, but always avoided the inverse at any cost, so it's too early to assume a course change. Mind you, I do expect them to keep throwing Switch 1 games...but the same "twilight years" stuff we have now like Mario vs DK and remakes, with any actual real ass game requiring 2. If this makes a grey area -OOT remake gets priority as a real ass game and wouldn't be on Switch 1. Hell this game is their secret weapon - "in case of emergency break glass". I remember waiting for a new version of OOT for what seemed like half my life, then when 3DS was in deep shit a hot bundle manifested in like a second. None of that good shit with leverage will be cross gen...any of it.

I do think N has a few surprises left in hardware before we just go directly to games. In fact it wouldn't surprise me if there is some sort of joint hardware-software surprise represented in the new Kart. Not Wii Remote level or anything like that, but just a way to use the system and play Kart we weren't expecting. 24 racers somewhat implies other changes in the game to accommodate the scope else it'd be instant rampant congested chaos. "Bigger, wider courses" seems too simple and obvious a solution to me, for a series that went antigravity last time. Imagine if they gave us a track editor, Mario Kart Maker pretty much, and the mouse actually worked in it. I can hardly believe it, but that kind of stuff works wonders to chisel out good software on gens you're iterating 2 and not chasing the next gimmick.

 

[RoadHazard]

Also Twilight Princess a brand new Zelda came out for both Wii and Wii U.

Uh, no. You're a full generation off there.

 

[Robb]

Hopefully this 24 player thing is limited to certain modes/tracks.

24 seems too many and the track shown in the demo is too wide for my liking.

If they’re going to do it I hope it’s just the new standard and that they do a big re-balancing of items and add a lot of new ones as well. Add team based races, add a battle royale balloon fight mode with even more players etc. etc.

I’d like to see a big shakeup compared to MK8, personally. Especially after nearly 11 years.