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Newly Elected Governor Strips 140,000 Of Voting Rights, Lowers The Minimum Wage
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SlickShoesRUCrazy
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Am I wrong not feel bad for this women if she does lose her health insurance?
OrangeGrayBlue
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Kind of. She's been played by the constant narrative that liberal politicians aren't like her and don't understand her needs and are only interested in letting gay people and muslims take over the country at her expense. I'd guess that she's poorly-educated, not masochistic. While I find those views abhorrent, I don't think someone who literally votes to have their health insurance taken away is more worthy of scorn than pity.
psynergylover
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FUCK. THAT. NOISE.
That line in the 14th amendment is the dumbest thing that allows states to continue to deny felons the right to vote.
Exactly what is gained from keeping felons from voting, at least after the their time is served? If our goal is rehabilitate people back into society after time served, there seems to be no point in barring them from voting, or going through an arduous process of which to restore their voting rights.
I also don't see the reason of "they're bad decision makers" to really enter into any legitimate support of felony disenfranchisement when we don't allow any sort of test to vote. You don't have to be smart to vote, or even know who the candidates are or how old the Earth is. That's not the point.
Exactly what is gained from keeping felons from voting, at least after the their time is served? If our goal is rehabilitate people back into society after time served, there seems to be no point in barring them from voting, or going through an arduous process of which to restore their voting rights.
I also don't see the reason of "they're bad decision makers" to really enter into any legitimate support of felony disenfranchisement when we don't allow any sort of test to vote. You don't have to be smart to vote, or even know who the candidates are or how old the Earth is. That's not the point.
PhoncipleBone
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My wife and I have only lived her for a bit over a year, and it saddens us to see this happen to the state.
CarpeDeezNutz
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I need Slo's thoughts on this.
Religion, white nationalism lite or 'tradition'. No gay rights, keeping imagined 'freeloaders' and 'welfare queens' down these are all in the GOP playbook they lay out to their dumbfounded flock.
Quite what people who's lives are usually shit and will remain shit and yet still vote against their own best interests time and time again get out of it I'm sure we'll never know.
Shame is also on the people who can make a difference but choose not to vote. And that's not saying the democrats are 100% perfect but compared to the shitshow that is the GOP it should be a no brainer.
Not a Kentucky native, so I'm not sure to what extent his actual campaign rhetoric was openly anti-gay (I'm guessing it was very much so) but he's made it clear he considers gay marriage to be the gateway to parent-child marriage and a thousand years of darkness because that's how his mind works.
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/bevin-same-sex-marriage-will-lead-parent-child-marriage
Or, make sure there are less people that can vote against your party in future elections
Bevin is an asshole who is hated by the Kentucky Republican establishment and shouldn't have won his primary, let alone a state-wide election. Compare a Jack Conway to a John Bel Edwards and you see how badly the Democrats fucked up with their candidate selection.
But then what's the point after you're out of jail? Or even after parole? At some point, it becomes punitive and reinforces recidivism by divorcing the person from their community in small but meaningful ways.
But then what's the point after you're out of jail? Or even after parole? At some point, it becomes punitive and reinforces recidivism by divorcing the person from their community in small but meaningful ways.
Conway is basically unelectable at this point. I think he's dropped 3 quite easy elections so far. (No one expected Bevin to win in November, but abysmal voter turnout will do that)
I didn't vote for him but the general rhetoric I see around here is the whole Conway = Obama thing. I'd imagine that's a big issue in other states as well, but specifically in Kentucky, there were plenty of ads that tied the two together. And as this is a huge coal-dependent state, Obama is generally disliked. It killed Alison Grimes when she ran against Mitch McConnell last year, too.
edit: and this is totally unrelated too, but Matt Bevin endorsed cockfighting recently. Thought it was funny.
I didn't vote for him but the general rhetoric I see around here is the whole Conway = Obama thing. I'd imagine that's a big issue in other states as well, but specifically in Kentucky, there were plenty of ads that tied the two together. And as this is a huge coal-dependent state, Obama is generally disliked. It killed Alison Grimes when she ran against Mitch McConnell last year, too.
edit: and this is totally unrelated too, but Matt Bevin endorsed cockfighting recently. Thought it was funny.
I'm sure his thoughts will be well reasoned and analytical.
I know, right? Imagine, working a minimum wage job and coming in the next day to find you're making almost three dollars less. I'd be fucking livid. Luckily I live in a state where this sort of bullshit will never happen. I feel even worse for all those now disenfranchised. History will certainly not look highly upon this man.
DJ Lushious
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Someone better not let Mike Pence (Rep.) hear someone's nipping at his heels for the "Most Despicable Subhuman in Office" award.
PhoncipleBone
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Yeah, almost all the ads I saw here through the season were "I will fight Obama's anti Kentucky initiatives!" Or you could do a check box of how many times they said, "conservative" in each ad. They were hammering home any minor endorsement of Obama for anything as a negative. Meanwhile, I think we saw one Democratic ad for about every twenty "conservative" ads.
CarpeDeezNutz
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More bullish than what mac would say, trolls have their different methods.
My favorite part was the whole "controversy" over whether Alison Grimes voted for Obama. Same thing happened with Conway, I think.
Local/state politics are amazing and so frustrating at the same time.
That was so amazing/terrible.
Conway did not fight. He choked.
We need more JBE:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Osxl8YfV2Q
We need more JBE:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqdY9-z8UTQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpzMQ-z-QsY
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Blackage
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Jezebel commentor said this:
There was a story in NPR about the election of this dude and how he was going to (or did) end the ACA Medicare expansion enacted by the previous governor.
A white woman/who was insured BECAUSE of the expansion-voted for the new dude. Why, you ask?
“Because stopping abortion and gay marriage is more important than me having insurance.” -_-
Sure, if you can figure out a way to decisively measure that someone is too stupid to participate in an election, then go ahead an implement it. She seems like Exhibit A.
Amazing how some people care so much about who is marrying whom and what women do with their bodies. By the way, the Supreme Court settled gay marriage, so why even bring it up?
Cute.
To be blunt, I don't particularly care if felons ever have their rights fully restored. I'm not obligated to care. We separate crimes by severity. "Aw shucks I fucked up!" crimes are called misdemeanors. "I'm a second class citizen from here on out" crimes are called felonies.
Christian shariah. Been going strong (in some regions at least) for 40+ long years now. Even asshole Goldwater warned Conservatives about the religious right.
But, why? Why do we want anyone to be a second class citizen if they do their time? Calling someone as "second class citizen" is one excellent way for increased recidivism. We don't actually want people to go back to jail. Not allowing them to be full members of their community is a contributing factor in this.
PhoncipleBone
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Exactly why this is all fucked up. Thank you.
CarpeDeezNutz
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Coakley basically insulted the Red Sox in MA. Her qualities as a candidate ceased to matter. She put a political gun to her head and pulled the trigger.
Trojita
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Since he is a new government worker, let's start him off at his own minimum wage.
adamsappel
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The workers who got a raise get to keep it, and I imagine "Fuck you, got mine" comes into play. I never understand why any government worker votes Republican. George W. once stopped a government worker automatic pay raise because the cost of the Afghan war was too high; funny how that was the only time he was fiscally responsible.
Giant Panda
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The idea is that a lower minimum wage would create more jobs, even if some people ended up with a lower wage. This would actually reduce the inequality between the "haves" and the "have-nots" among the poor. This is the same principle that dictates that rent controls will result in a lucky few that get the lower than market value accommodations while many others won't be able to rent at all. However, other research has shown that there could be net benefits to improving the wages of the poor. The way to achieve better wages for the poor with less market distortion would be along the lines of wage subsidies or a basic income.
DragonSworne
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Yes. Can we please?
My wife is in fact a social worker. What I do for a living isn't relevant, but I do volunteer my time as a firefighter and first-responder. On nights and weekends I get woken up at 3:00 AM to lift strangers out of puddles of their own shit, and I do it for free.
I'd wager I've been in more trailer houses and shitty 1 room apartments than most members of this forum. My opinions about the worst members of society, the meth heads and felons and deadbeats, is generally formed by my experience of them calling every Saturday night because they got liquored up and beat the shit out of their baby-mama again. Or my wife having to figure out who gets custody of their kids after they beat or molest them.
And for the record, in the area I live, the overwhelming population of worthless shitheads is white.
Muppet of a Man
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Racism summed up in the US to a tee.
DragonSworne
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Voysa Reezun
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OrangeGrayBlue
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It sounds like you're taking a "tough on crime" stance without any consideration for the question, "Does this strategy make things better, or worse?" If your view on criminal punishment is "the harsher, the better" without any thought for why that is the case, you can't be upset when people don't take your views seriously. Detail what evidence or rationale has led to this hard-line stance and you might make a solid case. "I don't give a damn about felons because I don't give a damn about felons" isn't a reasonable stance. Their inability to secure employment or vote for elected officials who might be able to enact policies that reduce recidivism could ultimately result in, say, your house being burglarized. Their problems don't exist in a vacuum outside of your own life.
They don't, obviously. Money makes the world go around, and the only limitation to human potential is will, because one has to tap into the souls God gave them. Like being a Power Ranger, I think.
I wouldn't pass this off lightly as one might, because we're in a bad fucking environment as is. This race to the bottom does not do shitbrained thinking like this governer has any favors. And that's what gets me: this is not the time or place to be regressive with our major social problems, but forward thinking. So long as modern Republican values can even be reasoned, we have problems because of how metastasized the views of that party have become. Milton Friedman they are not.
Link
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I work in an ER and am also a volunteer firefighter. I constantly see plenty of lower class and even homeless people come in or call for things that don't require a hospital. I don't let it color my view of people as a whole. You know why? Because I'm not a shitty person who uses anecdotal experiences and because I have empathy. The problem with Republicans is they find the worst example for something and use it to demonize the system as a whole. Constantly making perfect the enemy of good because their voters are stupid enough to think it's sound logic.
"Someone is abusing a service? Might as well just shut the whole thing down!"
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