ethomaz
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I thought it was only Sony GAF FUD...
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SportsFan581
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Can't believe the scalpers are starting to sell the console before Sony. 
SportsFan581
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The Xbox community on twitter and the like have been assuming this since the 10GB rumors started. Were there people here saying this wasn't true?
Blue Spring
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I bet they were told beforehand.
NY_Metropolitan
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No Antonio Banderas/PS5? 
Thirty7ven
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TheAssist
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I'm probably late, but Media Markt is part of the Metro group which is the 4. largest retailer group in the world.
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Three Jackdaws
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Interesting comment from RGT, he's mentioned a few times in his videos now that he was told by developers that both the PS5 and Series X games will form their own "distinct looks" early on in next-gen, I assume he's talking about the first party games but I'm curious as to what this "distinct look" will be.
TheContact
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well that confirms the digital and physical editions have the same storage size. so the only difference is likely just the blu ray player.
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ethomaz
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Kenneth Haight
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yeah a few pages back. Things move fast in here.
FunkMiller
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Because perception is reality, and the perception from this is that Series S is weaker than One X. It may not be technically true... but technically doesn't mean shit to the public.
3liteDragon
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(5:40 - talks about RDNA 2 performance)
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DeadOblivion78
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Bro it's like an anti-vaxxer telling a doctor they don't know shit about vaccines.
Metroiddarks
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Because in a console of "new" gen from a company which us using the BC as one of its
main reason to buy it, in some way is even worse than a console of the current gen.
Is similar like with the Switch light, yes is more portable but you lost some of key features of
the main console like the "HD rumble".
So I have a question about PS5 and the the super fast NVME drive soldered into the board or whatever... like there is 825MB of usable space on that drive, and we saw Sony demo the magic drive for Spriderman and in Ratchet - with very impressive results. Even in the unreal tech demo.. But lets say you install Warzone, the new BLack Ops, Destiny 2, a couple others and suddenly your 825 built in super drive is full. Xbox has an expansion card slot for additional memory, which I suppose will have a similar i/o speed to its internal nvme - which isn't as fast as Sony's to begin with. My point being tho, if I install a game on the internal nvme o r the external expansion, the performance delta will be minimal - correct?
But Sony has that internal drive that's twice as fast as Xbox's, directly interfacing the mobo and gpu and all that.. surely they can't get the same performance out of an external memory card? What happens to a game like Ratchet or whatever in that case, a game that needs access to the magic drive at all times to maintain IO speeds that the gameplay was designed around? Or like in the unreal tech demo where they said all the assets were streaming in real time from the NVME, not ram... What happens when you buy a game like that but install it on your secondary storage option? Will you have to install certain games on the magic drive (games that were "only possible on the PS5 SSD"?).. And then have like cross platform games that were not built custom for the PS5 nvme IO ... and those ones can go on your external storage?
TLDR: Do we know anything of Sony's external storage option, and if /how that would affect games custom built to the IO performance of PS5's NVME? What happens if you move Ratchet and Clank to Sony's version of a memory slot?
But Sony has that internal drive that's twice as fast as Xbox's, directly interfacing the mobo and gpu and all that.. surely they can't get the same performance out of an external memory card? What happens to a game like Ratchet or whatever in that case, a game that needs access to the magic drive at all times to maintain IO speeds that the gameplay was designed around? Or like in the unreal tech demo where they said all the assets were streaming in real time from the NVME, not ram... What happens when you buy a game like that but install it on your secondary storage option? Will you have to install certain games on the magic drive (games that were "only possible on the PS5 SSD"?).. And then have like cross platform games that were not built custom for the PS5 nvme IO ... and those ones can go on your external storage?
TLDR: Do we know anything of Sony's external storage option, and if /how that would affect games custom built to the IO performance of PS5's NVME? What happens if you move Ratchet and Clank to Sony's version of a memory slot?
zaitsu
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You buy nextgen xbox to play RDR2 in worse graphic than on old xbox but in higher framerate.
Its like just they have trade some GPU for CPU in XOX, made framerate mode and call it a day.
kyliethicc
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That's been confirmed by Sony months ago.
TheContact
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ah good to know, was the first i heard of it
Blue Spring
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Everything points to Series S being just too weak for next gen. I still believe that devs will mainly target PS5 because of the sales advantage it will hold over Xbox but if devs have to design their games around the Series S. We will mainly get higher resolution and higher framerate of slightly supped up current gen games.
Thats not what I want out of next gen.
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kyliethicc
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PS5 has an expansion bay for an internal M.2 NVMe SSD you can buy on the open market. Some will be supported. The supported drive will have to deliver the same speed performance as the PS5's custom SSD does.
Daniel_Mallorca1985
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kyliethicc
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"As you saw, there is a small difference in the form factor of the two consoles. I'm sure you also observed, the basic design aesthetic is consistent between them. So there is that and the fact that the digital edition does not have a disk drive. That is it. Other than that, they are identical products."
Jim Ryan, CEO of SIE
Sony's PS5 design is 'bold, daring and future facing," PlayStation CEO says
The PlayStation head, in an interview with CNET, discusses the new PS5 design, launch games like Spider-Man, and pre-orders.
www.cnet.com
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Blue Spring
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If I remember right. The SSD that can get slotted in must actually be faster than the internal SSD.
7GB/s or something along those lines according to Cerny.
IMO I think the reason people are upset is the expectation that a new gen system should perform better then last gen in general. so the xbox one x is the the top tier last gen then the series s should perform atleast better then it or be able to run the games like it but higher fps or less fluctuating resolution. Its seems like a half step backwards, like upgrading a pc with a new cpu but downgrading the gpu.
3liteDragon
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Holy mother of god, a 128MB infinity cache system for PC RDNA 2, makes sense as to why it only has 16GB of GDDR6 memory.
kyliethicc
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Because it will need overhead on raw read speed to deliver the same performance as the PS5 SSD.
Imtjnotu
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Which is why I'll use my external ssd to just move games between.
LucidFlux
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All we know about SSD expansion so far is from Cerny's GDC talk back in March. External drives can be used as storage for ps4 games. For PS5 games you will need to use an NVME SSD approved for both speed and fitment by Sony. I believe at the time Cerny estimated this would need to be a drive with speeds of 7 GBps to match/exceed the PS5s built in drive.
kyliethicc
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Both consoles will also support USB 3 HDDs for storing/playing old gen games. And probably for all games as cold storage as well (unconfirmed on PS5, Xbox has said yes.)
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Yeah i think this is the best solution if you dont want to redownload alot. just leave your most played on the internal ssd and have a external for storing. Atleast until ssd prices drop and the speed is more mainstream.
silent head
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OrionNebula
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kyliethicc
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shots fired
kyliethicc
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Thats a guy selling on ebay. Scalper. Implies he thinks retail will be below that.
hemo memo
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kyliethicc
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Blue Spring
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Slight corretions.
You can play and store PS4 games on external drives. HDD or SSD.
You can also store PS5 games on either external HDD or SDD but not play them.
The only way to play PS5 outside of the internal drive is like you said the SSD expansion.
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kyliethicc
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unconfirmed.
Leo_Barcellos
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zufuel
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Blue Spring
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Really? I thought it was confirmed.
Would be stupid not to have that ability.
Rocco Schiavone
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I don't see shit.
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