Games that run with unlocked framerates in PS4 Pro performance mode and used to have trouble maintaining it are running at locked 60fps are benefitting from the faster GPU (with full clock).
Some games run downclocked. AssCreed Unity is suspected to run downclocked, for example.
If every game runs on Game Boost with PS5s higher frequencies, then the legacy modes are useless. Pick your poison.
I honestly think they just fallback to a legacy mode when the game gets beyond broken, but I think only someone with a devkit could really test this out.
Games that run with unlocked framerates in PS4 Pro performance mode and used to have trouble maintaining it are running at locked 60fps are benefitting from the faster GPU (with full clock).
Some games run downclocked. AssCreed Unity is suspected to run downclocked, for example.
I haven't seen a single statement from any reliable source that any games don't have improved performance though.
edit: IN fact that includes AC Unity... so AC Unity is definitely not using downclocks... DF are dumb with their theory that it's using the full CPU but not the GPU lol.. that's just ridiculous
If every game runs on Game Boost with PS5s higher frequencies, then the legacy modes are useless. Pick your poison.
I honestly think they just fallback to a legacy mode when the game gets beyond broken, but I think only someone with a devkit could really test this out.
It was all speculation based on how boost mode worked on PS4 Pro. Cerny himself only made the vague statement that didn't mention "modes" but just said plainly they expect PS4 games to run with improved performance.
But Sony has yet to make any statements about downclocking on PS5... only vague ones about "Game Boost" and how only some games "take advantage of it."
But in watching the DF video on BC.. every game saw improved performance. AC Unity tanks in some scenes, and they are left to speculate "maybe the GPU is downclocked?" and it makes zero sense since the game is 60FPS half the time and the game unlocked / unpatched on PS4 never got near that.
I haven't seen a single statement from any reliable source that any games don't have improved performance though.
edit: IN fact that includes AC Unity... so AC Unity is definitely not using downclocks... DF are dumb with their theory that it's using the full CPU but not the GPU lol.. that's just ridiculous
The only games that don't run at double framerate are the ones that were capped to 30fps so far, as far as I've seen.
The games that are listed as "having issues" would probably be running downclocked. But I don't know.
It just makes sense that since some games are blacklisted, and others prompt warnings, the OS would handle the choice of downclocking the GPU in some cases.
Why does it sound ridiculous to you that the CPU and GPU would run at different clocks in some BC games?
Not sure if already posted, but Jeff and Brad on the Giant Bombcast (posted today - live yesterday) have noticed that the PS5 version outperforms the XSX of WatchDogs:L and NMS,
Jeff - "Because I started playing it on PS5 and it might run a little better there..." "the framerate might be slightly smoother"
Brad - "I'm surprised that No Man's Sky runs noticeably smoother on the PS5 than on the Series X" -
Jeff - "Yeah, same."
saying it seems to run smoother, purely anecdotal, but we're speculating with scraps. Starts at 2:14:00
The only games that don't run at double framerate are the ones that were capped to 30fps so far, as far as I've seen.
The games that are listed as "having issues" would probably be running downclocked. But I don't know.
It just makes sense that since some games are blacklisted, and others prompt warnings, the OS would handle the choice of downclocking the GPU in some cases.
Why does it sound ridiculous to you that the CPU and GPU would run at different clocks in some BC games?
It sounds ridiculous to me that the GPU is running at last-gen clocks and somehow outputting 60FPS much of the time for AC Unity because of the CPU.
And no, what you said doesn't really make sense.. the games that are having issues on PS5.. are having issues on PS5. Why does it make sense that these games are downclocked?
It sounds ridiculous to me that the GPU is running at last-gen clocks and somehow outputting 60FPS much of the time for AC Unity because of the CPU.
And no, what you said doesn't really make sense.. the games that are having issues on PS5.. are having issues on PS5. Why does it make sense that these games are downclocked?
I can see where you're coming from here mind.
I think it'll be a combination of a few things. In my mind, it's certainly downclocked to the PS4/Pro profile settings to ensure compatibility but perhaps the makeup of the chipset can handle load better?
It’s because of the amount of 7nm transistors on the APU and efficiency of RDNA 2 and Zen 2, PS4/Pro clocks on RDNA 2/Zen 2 will obviously be more performant than on GCN/Jaguar.
And no, what you said doesn't really make sense.. the games that are having issues on PS5.. are having issues on PS5. Why does it make sense that these games are downclocked?
Like Cerny said during the Road to PS5 presentation, some game code in BC games can’t handle the frequency boost (2.23GHz/3.5GHz on PS5) and that’s why BC titles are tested on a title-by-title basis. Regarding the frame rate drops in AC: Unity at certain times, that’s most likely because of their engine code, not because of PS5 emulation limits.
It’s because of the amount of 7nm transistors on the APU and efficiency of RDNA 2 and Zen 2, PS4/Pro clocks on RDNA 2/Zen 2 will obviously be more performant than on GCN/Jaguar.
Like Cerny said during the Road to PS5 presentation, some game code in BC games can’t handle the frequency boost (2.23GHz/3.5GHz on PS5) and that’s why BC titles are tested on a title-by-title basis. Regarding the frame rate drops in AC: Unity at certain times, that’s most likely because of their engine code, not because of PS5 emulation limits.
And no, what you said doesn't really make sense.. the games that are having issues on PS5.. are having issues on PS5. Why does it make sense that these games are downclocked?
In case it wasn't obvious, I'm speculating the behavior based on what we "know" ever since the github leaks.
Best scenario: Game runs without issues at full clocks. -> Launch the game, boosted.
Next scenario: Game runs with minor issues at full clocks, but no issues at reduced clocks. -> Launch the game, downclocked.
Next scenario: Game runs with minor issues even at reduced clocks. -> Launch the game and issue a warning (downclocking should make it safer to launch the game).
Worst scenario: Game runs with major issues regardless of clocks, or not at all. -> Blacklist the game, issue an error and do not launch.
It’s because of the amount of 7nm transistors on the APU and efficiency of RDNA 2 and Zen 2, PS4/Pro clocks on RDNA 2/Zen 2 will obviously be more performant than on GCN/Jaguar.
Like Cerny said during the Road to PS5 presentation, some game code in BC games can’t handle the frequency boost (2.23GHz/3.5GHz on PS5) and that’s why BC titles are tested on a title-by-title basis. Regarding the frame rate drops in AC: Unity at certain times, that’s most likely because of their engine code, not because of PS5 emulation limits.
"Good morning Phil, listen we got issues, screen tearing, frames all over the place, dips in-game performance is rampant, games can't hold their 60 fps mark, everything seems to be running better on the ps5, What do we do?"
Phil responds " Postpone the videos, hold out as long as you can, CUSTER'S LAST STAND IF YOU CAN, i have already requested a couple of patches, i am pulling strings left-right and god damn center atm.",
Richard responds " but the power of the beast, we don't understand it, plus we need to release soon our content soon, there are other outlets showing their videos comparisons as we speak, we can't continue like this, this will bankrupt us."
Phil- " don't worry about cash, we got you covered, if the worst comes to it, we will just buy you out, we are fucking loaded, just be warned we might sell you off in a couple of years and your content might go down in quality"
Richard "Thanks a lot Phil, that's a load of my mind, so what should we do in the meantime"
Phil " like i said, hold out, release a couple more videos about Bc, our fanbase, loves that shit, or try a new quick resume video, try and stretch it out to 20 mins in length, if all that fails, just release another gears video, if you don't have time to make a new one, just release the first one in the series, there have been so fucking many of them they fans won't remember it."
Richard " Damn now i know why your the boss, amazing, btw i forget to thank you for the free tickets you sent me last week to the game, amazing dude"
Phil " Focus on the problem at hand please, all guns on deck, we need to combat that Cerny dude somehow, no fucking idea how Sony managed to get him and i ended up will Greenburg" Fuck my life. Listen i need to go, i got Dealer, Timdog and Deedog on another conference call, just hold out, remember the buzzwords, even if it ends up being a complete a shit storm, keep spamming that 12 Tfop number, SDK is still in the oven, the power of the fucking cloud, Velocity architecture, "
Richard " ok Phil, thanks, you're the best"
As the phone hits the receiver, the distant sounds of " that mother fucker Cerny" echo out.
In case it wasn't obvious, I'm speculating the behavior based on what we "know" ever since the github leaks.
Best scenario: Game runs without issues at full clocks. -> Launch the game, boosted.
Next scenario: Game runs with minor issues at full clocks, but no issues at reduced clocks. -> Launch the game, downclocked.
Next scenario: Game runs with minor issues even at reduced clocks. -> Launch the game and issue a warning (downclocking should make it safer to launch the game).
Worst scenario: Game runs with major issues regardless of clocks, or not at all. -> Blacklist the game, issue an error and do not launch.
Already discussed; Cerny only mentions instruction sets, not clocks, when discussing modes.
I'm aware of how PS4 Pro works.. of Github leaks.. my point is there's no info from Sony saying anything downclocks on PS5, and I've been watching a ton of BC videos.. and every game tested has improved performance.
I'm not seeing any actual evidence of downclocking; and there are absolutely no statements from Sony about it.
This causes screen tearing. Both systems can have issues here, especially in cutscenes, and sometimes in gameplay. However, the key takeaway is that PlayStation 5 is much closer to the 60fps target more of the time, while Xbox Series X can struggle. In fact, at its worst, we noted PS5 delivering a 15 per cent performance advantage over its Microsoft equivalent in identical scenarios.
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