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[Panajev2001a]

Should be visible in the teardowns.

This is what the power supply looks like in the Xbox One S

It's probably something like this in the Series X.

Look at the quote in the TV error, it implies it is an external power brick while XOX had it internal one IIRC.

 

[sircaw]

Looks like another okie doke. Cold boot that bitch. Don't clip what you want people to see. Was this suppose to counter the 2K news??

Xbox are going on overtime with this quick resume and quickness talk. When they know fully well they are slower.There's too much overcompensating going on. Even the xbox minions at it. Why are they going so hard ,what are you trying to get in front off.

If you got it ,just show it. The market will decide. All these apologist doing extra work. Hella suspect.

i guess if you keep flooding the airways with a gazzlion loading screen videos, eventually people will get so sick of them, by the time sony shows theirs, people will be like no, no more, i don't care anymore.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Fourth from the right in the pic is the PSU.

How can I place the power supply or the console near a heat source if the power brick is inside the console? That seems like a dumb or fake message... or the power brick is external.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Fourth from the right in the pic is the PSU.

I see it clearly in this picture.

Didnt know what the PSU looked like until I saw the vent on the bottom of it.

 

[scalman]

just say it that you don't have money to buy it in the first place.

whole comment if filled with plot holes.

point is we buy consoles for games not consoles for nothing ... where are games ? like 10-15 next gen games that should launch with consoles ... no problem to buy it but whats the point ?

 

[GermanZepp]

oopsie time?
Looks fake to me ngl but who knows.

The series x has a brick power supply? Edit. Seems fake

 

[Panajev2001a]

I see it clearly in this picture.

Didnt know what the PSU looked like until I saw the vent on the bottom of it.

Which means that the message is either stupid or fake.

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

How can I place the power supply or the console near a heat source if the power brick is inside the console? That seems like a dumb or fake message... or the power brick is external.

It is fake doing a quick Google search. It is the warning for the OG Xbox One.

 

[Garani]

Gonna be just Astrobot videos

Yeah, we got that info a couple of days ago. We will be seeing a could of other games, but it's just going to be Astrobot.

oopsie time?
Looks fake to me ngl but who knows.

It's fake. Microsoft would not be so stupid to send out a box that bricks after 2 hours. All hell would break loose. It's fake, don't worry.

 

[Handy Fake]

It is fake doing a quick Google search. It is the warning for the OG Xbox One.

Hmm.
While I think it's fake I don't think it comes from that. Glare and perspective of the text is different.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Which means that the message is either stupid or fake.

It doesn't make sense. However any console will overheat if you suffocate it. I wouldn't be surprised if these systems shut down once they get too hot.

Which isn't a bad thing because it protects your system from damaging itself.

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

Hmm.
While I think it's fake I don't think it comes from that. Glare and perspective of the text is different.

I'm not saying that is the specific image the fake was made from (it was a random Google image from a Reddit thread over year ago from someone getting the message on a Xbox One), but it is clearly a message that belongs to the Xbox One and not the Series X. It would be funny if Microsoft just kept the same wording though!

Edit: I see now the user says they have a One X....So maybe Microsoft have just copy/pasted the wording over as the One X PSU is internal!

 

[geordiemp]

So your example of assets with greater than 50% compression is a page that returns images on the max setting presented at about 50%.

Its not my page, if you read its rad tools examples.

And labda 40 is not the compression amount, go read., its an RDO factor.

Lamda 40 is likely the max that devs will use for RDO for both consoles, and PC.

Why the GIF, you dont understand and I was trying to help you, this will be common across all games (RDO texture), names of technique my change depending on the vendor,. but its the same thing.

BCPack does same thing if you must know.

 

[hemo memo]

On my PS4 PRO with regular SSD roughly 20 seconds that Russian leak was absolutely fake, PS5 as fast as PS4 Pro on regular SSD? There is no way.

My launch PS4 is 39 seconds.

 

[reksveks]

This seems strange to me. Why were game locked from preview? why 200? Also do any of those games have updates to use new features of the hardware?

Could also be a marketing tactic honestly, keep getting new tests and news stories out there.

 

[sircaw]

I'm not saying that is the specific image the fake was made from (it was a random Google image from a Reddit thread over year ago from someone getting the message on a Xbox One), but it is clearly a message that belongs to the Xbox One and not the Series X. It would be funny if Microsoft just kept the same wording though!

Edit: I see now the user says they have a One X....So maybe Microsoft have just copy/pasted the wording over as the One X PSU is internal!

So the one piece of fud we finally get about the Xbox and you go and dispel it in 30 seconds.

This was our one chance to get some justice back for all the Sony Fud.

WTF Dude, hope an urn falls on you, strike that i hope you go to work drunk and try to milk a Bull.

SHAME SHAME SHAME

 

[Elysion]

lets wait the deep analisys. lol

I remember a time when gifs or off-screen footage used to make games look better, by hiding certain imperfections. Now that's no longer true; the native footage of Demon's Souls looks much better than gifs like this.

 

[SportsFan581]

Its not my page, if you read its rad tools examples.

And labda 40 is not the compression amount, go read. Its not the compression amount, its an RDO factor.

Lamda 40 is likely the max that devs will use for RDO for both consoles, and PC.

Why the GIF, you dont understand and I was trying to help you, this will be common across all games (RDO texture), names my change depending on the vendor,. but its the same thing.

Clearly the discussion was about the final compression value post zlib/kraken whatever. You do you. We'll see if we see a lot of textures getting to 70%+, personally, I doubt it.

P.S. I'm just playing with you man, that's my thing. Harassing the tech experts with nonsense is a great amusement to me.

 

[sircaw]

My launch PS4 is 39 seconds.

What is that dirty thing, button right hand corner?

 

[Orky]

oopsie time?
Looks fake to me ngl but who knows.

lol. Fake as hell. The power supply is inside the console.

 

[ethomaz]

Edit.

This is the partition layout for a drive from the PS4. Again, as this is Windows, it uses GiB for the number but labels them as GB. It's a total of 466 GiB (so 500GB).

Now, the user space which is what shows up in the storage settings on the PS4 is the 420 GiB partition. Just like my PS4pro, it displays this as 419.4GB, but this is 419.4GiB.

So, the values shown in the PS4 UI are clearly GiB but labelled as GB, just like FreeBSD, and Windows.

Windows is dumb uses GiB and calls GB lol

PS4 UI shows GB.
I already did the test with a pendrive.

 

[ethomaz]

My launch PS4 is 39 seconds.

Do you mean boot?

My launch PS4 cold boost in less than 10s... I remember doing cold boot + Killzone in gameplay in less than 15s at launch.

 

[MastaKiiLA]

Maybe that person isn't giving the Series X room to breathe?

I know it has a big fan and they say the cooling is good. But it still needs to breathe. Same with the PS5.

Agreed. Even if that screenshot is real, it could be a lot of different things, including buggy demo hardware. I'd prefer to see the actual placement and positioning of the console, if real. Could be that the person crammed it into a tiny cabinet, so that it can't draw or expel much air.

 

[SlimySnake]

How many more Tflops do you want? 10.3 Tflops from 1.8 Tflops is already gigantic leap from old generation. Increasing more Tflops will only result in diminishing returns rather than improving on I/O, Cerny is not stupid, trust him, that dude is in gaming industry for god knows how long. 30 fucking years, its the same as my age. He's making games since i was drinking milk from my mom's breast. So chill relax and give some time and wait for the games and let them speak for itself

Sorry, but I was told to wait and let the games speak for themselves back in March when Cerny showed up without a demo.

So I did.

Then the games were shown in June and I was like where is this SSD being used? I looked through their own PR to see if it was being used for anything other than loading and nope. It's like they literally had to build the game around this gimmick to take advantage of it. Spiderman, GT7, Demon Souls, Horizon and all the other games shown in September are not using the SSD.

So now the goalposts have shifted. Now im supposed to wait 2-3 years to see what games can do. Sorry but thats the same shit MS fanboys have been telling me since july. no thanks. when i buy a new console, i want next gen experiences on day one.

And no one is saying that they cant improve the I/O. He couldve built the I/O and still went with a cheaper 2.4 gbps ssd. you dont need 5.5 gbps for the two games this gen that might end up using it. 2.4 gbps is still 40x what we had last gen, still a massive leap. And you dont have to settle for 650 GB of usable storage.

22 seconds for cold boot after all shoving that ssd down our throat for months is simply unacceptable.

And look at the ray tracing performance in spiderman. look at how DMCV can only do ray tracing at 60 fps at 1080p. you need all the tflops you can get. it was true last gen. it will be true next gen and the gen after. tflops are the most important piece of the puzzle. you can have the best cpu in the world capable of all the destruction, NPC counts, and physics and your GPU still needs to be powerful enough to render it. If anything, as games get more and more complex you need more. a 5x increase in tflops simply isnt enough. especially when it comes at the expense of an SSD that no one is gonna be utilizing beyond loading.

If a year ago, an MS fanboy came here and said the PS5 would cost the same as XSX, has fewer tflops, worse ram bandwidth, smaller SSD and be a bigger console, he would literally get laughed off outta here. I understand the need to defend Sony, ive been there as a sony fan myself, but lets not kid ourselves here. we waited for the games to be shown and lets just say we are still waiting.

 

[Nickolaidas]

lol. Fake as hell. The power supply is inside the console.

What the fuck happened to your Orko avatar?

we waited for the games to be shown and lets just say we are still waiting.

'we' as in 'you'.

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

So the one piece of fud we finally get about the Xbox and you go and dispel it in 30 seconds.

This was our one chance to get some justice back for all the Sony Fud.

WTF Dude, hope an urn falls on you, strike that i hope you go to work drunk and try to milk a Bull.

SHAME SHAME SHAME

All that matters now is the three amigos are back together. You, Bo and Mod of War:

 

[SlimySnake]

What the fuck happened to your Orko avatar?


'we' as in 'you'.

we as in people who didnt drink the koolaid.

 

[BlueXImpulse]

I can't wait to see more from the GOTY tomorrow

 

[jasondefaoite]

Windows is dumb uses GiB and calls GB lol

PS4 UI shows GB.
I already did the test with a pendrive.

Please read what I mentioned. The UI shows GiB after it has formatted the drive for either internal or extended storage.

Pen drives or USB drives which are not used by the system for storage display as GB. They also don't show up under the storage part of the PS4 UI.

Don't know why there is a difference. But the storage UI shows GiB 100%.

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

lol. Fake as hell. The power supply is inside the console.

Probably in regards XSX, but the legit message you get on One X is the same and that also has a internal PSU.

 

[Dave_at_Home]

It all adds up and points to Sony making one dumb move after another with this console. Going narrow and fast resulted in that gigantic console. Shoving ssd down our throat instead of focusing on tflops like they should resulted in a console just as expensive. Even their own studios aren't using this thing for anything more than loading.

These are all bad ideas.

Said this in a different thread, but worth posting here just for you.

When your SSD and I/O is as fast as what's in the PS5, it literally changes how you utilize RAM. The amount of assets and the sheer quality of those assets goes up tremendously. Not to mention you no longer need to keep "cold" assets sitting in RAM just in case. I'd also like to point out from Cerny's talk that he mentioned he wanted to stream in assets faster than the player could turn around. If that is the case, than you save on unnecessary GPU utilization. So yeah, in a roundabout way, PS5's SSD and I/O does improve graphics while addressing memory constraints.

 

[SportsFan581]

Probably in regards XSX, but the legit message you get on One X is the same and that also has a internal PSU.

Probably an odd tick of the shared UI across the systems.

 

[sircaw]

All that matters now is the three amigos are back together. You, Bo and Mod of War:

I sense you're trying to say the fine-looking Fella next to Bo( the driver is me)

And yes that is Modofwar in the back, in the CHILDS SEAT
YOU HEAR THAT Mod of War .
He called you a child

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Spoiler: Black magic ball predicts.

I have a sense this is not going to end well for me.

 

[jimbojim]

Good video from Alex. The only thing I didn't like is him comparing PS5 to a 2060 Super.

inb4 threads saying DF confirms PS5 gpu is 2060 super level.

you gotta love alex's bullshit.

Yeah I've seen the 2060 super, would love to see XSX comparison later. Let's keep this a standard then, as Halo has struggled at below 4K without RT. Many devs are delaying RT on XSX for some reason.

In Alex defend, i think he comparing RT capabilities between PS5 and 2060.

Please don't kill me if i'm on Alex's side

 

[Dibils2k]

Sorry if posted already

man people keep saying there isnt a big enough jump this gen but for me SSD is one of the greatest additions to consoles since HD graphics

i am so excited to have these consoles

 

[SportsFan581]

I can't wait to see more from the GOTY tomorrow

Hospitals filling from injuries associated with PS5 players trying to blow their own joysticks again. I can see the headlines already.

 

[SlimySnake]

Said this in a different thread, but worth posting here just for you.

When your SSD and I/O is as fast as what's in the PS5, it literally changes how you utilize RAM. The amount of assets and the sheer quality of those assets goes up tremendously. Not to mention you no longer need to keep "cold" assets sitting in RAM just in case. I'd also like to point out from Cerny's talk that he mentioned he wanted to stream in assets faster than the player could turn around. If that is the case, than you save on unnecessary GPU utilization. So yeah, in a roundabout way, PS5's SSD and I/O does improve graphics while addressing memory constraints.

I have said this before, I feel like i have a PHD in Cerny's road to ps5 talk simply because ive seen it so much.

you can even go back in this thread and watch me explain this very thing to several different posters since the Cerny talk.

However, we are talking about the actual application of these enhancements and Im not seeing it. And it's not just me, they are not marketing it. i went through all the PR they had for their five aaa games at the june reveal and aside from ratchet, no one is admitting it to using this ssd to enhance the graphics.

at some point, sony has to show us what all that talk means and ten months later we still havent seen it in action.

 

[sircaw]

man people keep saying there isnt a big enough jump this gen but for me SSD is one of the greatest additions to consoles since HD graphics

i am so excited to have these consoles

the loading time is fabulous, there is no two ways about, Games with a lot of dying or when people try very extreme hard modes are going to love ssds.

Its the second best thing about this generation

 

[MastaKiiLA]

I hope Astros has a platinum trophy. It would certainly make me more likely to play through it.

 

[Wraith Phantom]

i guess if you keep flooding the airways with a gazzlion loading screen videos, eventually people will get so sick of them, by the time sony shows theirs, people will be like no, no more, i don't care anymore.

Ahh I see the first mentality. This doesn't work in competitive area. People always look around. And if what you show is worse than the comp. You are going to look bad. I have no idea why they keep preaching speed when they are the slower box period. Weird bunch.

 

[smallpotatosan]

Xbox share the same OS though

 

[sircaw]

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Ahh I see the first mentality. This doesn't work in competitive area. People always look around. And if what you show is worse than the comp. You are going to look bad. I have no idea why they keep preaching speed when they are the slower box period. Weird bunch.

you got to get your positive spin when you can, i mean lets say Sony's ssd time for older games are better.

Let's say Red dead redepemtion loads in 40 seconds on the xbox and 20 seconds on the ps5, we have already heard some people calling the xbox remarkable. what would that make the ps5 then.

It certainly would take the shine of the xbox, so yer i guess they are making sure they get there pr now.

that's my guess.

all i know is a 5-6 second loading time on Doom for me is very acceptable, if ps5 matches that i am happy, if they go below that even more thrilled.

 

[smallpotatosan]

Ahh I see the first mentality. This doesn't work in competitive area. People always look around. And if what you show is worse than the comp. You are going to look bad. I have no idea why they keep preaching speed when they are the slower box period. Weird bunch.

to be honest, other than us who hopeless spent too much time in game forums, regular ps customers don't even care what Xbox does. I have been playing games recently and was not following news. those Xbox video didn't even reach me without me actively looking for it. MS is approaching social media in an interesting way. But again their goal is to defend the turf, which seems working judging how active Xbox friends are recently.

 

[SportsFan581]

Ahh I see the first mentality. This doesn't work in competitive area. People always look around. And if what you show is worse than the comp. You are going to look bad. I have no idea why they keep preaching speed when they are the slower box period. Weird bunch.

Repeating nonsense over and over hoping that something sticks would be a weird tactic. Has anyone ever made that work?

Spoiler

 

[Mod of War]

I sense you're trying to say the fine-looking Fella next to Bo( the driver is me)

And yes that is Modofwar in the back, in the CHILDS SEAT
YOU HEAR THAT Mod of War .
He called you a child

BAN BAN BAN

Spoiler: Black magic ball predicts.

I have a sense this is not going to end well for me.

 

[Dave_at_Home]

I have said this before, I feel like i have a PHD in Cerny's road to ps5 talk simply because ive seen it so much.

you can even go back in this thread and watch me explain this very thing to several different posters since the Cerny talk.

However, we are talking about the actual application of these enhancements and Im not seeing it. And it's not just me, they are not marketing it. i went through all the PR they had for their five aaa games at the june reveal and aside from ratchet, no one is admitting it to using this ssd to enhance the graphics.

at some point, sony has to show us what all that talk means and ten months later we still havent seen it in action.

The question is: How do you know you're not seeing it already?

It's possible the reason Ratchet and Clank can have so much shit on screen at the same time could, in part, be due to the I/O. The density and quality of Demons Souls environments could be attributed to the I/O as well. We just don't know yet. Possibly reasons relating to NDA, but maybe developers haven't gotten around to talking about that stuff. It may also be possible that it's not entirely taken advantage yet. It may take a bit more time to fully be taking advantage of. Either way, there's no trickery here.

Sony did this for a very specific reasons which you know, but some others trolling here may not.

• Improve the quality and quantity of data that the GPU can draw.​
• Massively reduce load times.​
• Address memory constraints as best as possible through those SSD and I/O speeds​

 

[Faithless83]

I have said this before, I feel like i have a PHD in Cerny's road to ps5 talk simply because ive seen it so much.

you can even go back in this thread and watch me explain this very thing to several different posters since the Cerny talk.

However, we are talking about the actual application of these enhancements and Im not seeing it. And it's not just me, they are not marketing it. i went through all the PR they had for their five aaa games at the june reveal and aside from ratchet, no one is admitting it to using this ssd to enhance the graphics.

at some point, sony has to show us what all that talk means and ten months later we still havent seen it in action.

So we don't need to explain the geometry engine to you and how it can save performance. Yet you expect Sony to show this to the average joe? How is this information actually relevant to the average consumer again? They showed games and that's what most people care about. We like to discuss the tech stuff, but we are the outlier, not the rule. I'm sure once the NDAs are lifted there will be plenty of talk from devs on how this enables them to go the extra mile. Until then, don't fret.

 

[SportsFan581]

Mod of War post remaster (the animations were a better fit with this model).

 

[Dodkrake]

There is a video posted. You can choose to believe it or not. Not my concern. This is a speculation thread where we discuss rumors from fucking 4chan. If you are getting triggered by any criticism of Sony then i suggest you leave this thread and go to a safe space like era.

You're accusing me of being triggered while you're crying like a little bitch. Lol

 

[Garani]

at some point, sony has to show us what all that talk means and ten months later we still havent seen it in action.

Well, at least Sony showed us something. There are other manufacturer that still board the "most powerful console" and still have to show a single game captured on their flagship.

Mind you, I am not saying that MS hasn't done it's homework, but more like "at least we DID get something from Sony".