Chet Rippo said:Because I'm not.
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Chet Rippo said:Because I'm not.
Watch Da Birdie said:I think it would be cool to see how Sakurai could reflect the puzzle genre in Lip's moveset somehow, yet at the same time I'm kind of worried to see Lip redone in order to appeal to the modern Japanese gamer. Let's just say that I can see Travis Touchdown taking a liking to her.
IntelliHeath said:Oh Hey Ezalc, I guess we are going to through other smash together are we?
I want Little Mac, Takamaru, Issac/Matthew, Magus and Tom Nook.
Tom Nook is just for a dumb reason. My friends hate animal crossing and I would love to beat them with the character that they hate most.
Snakey said:Little Mac is certainly deserving for inclusion, and is among the most requested newcomers for Smash 4 among the Western Smash Bros. fanbase.
However, there are two possible obstacles to his inclusion. One is that the Punch-Out series is not popular in Japan and Little Mac is not requested at all by the Japanese Smash fanbase.
The second obstacle is that Sakurai might deem Little Mac "too boring" to warrant being given a playable spot (since all of his moves would likely only be punches). Sakurai excluded the Urban Champion for similar reaons, one of several characters that Sakurai had considered for the retro spot in Melee that later went to the Ice Climbers. His reason for excluding the Urban Champion was that "he could not do much of anything with him". In the original game of Urban Champion, all the titular character could do was punch and throw a bomb.
On the topic of Japan-exclusive retro characters (Takamaru, Lip, Sukapon), the most likely of them to be made playable in Smash 4 is Takamaru, the main protagonist of Nazo no Murasame. Nazo no Murasame has become a cult hit in Japan, and Takamaru is among the most requested newcomers for Smash 4 among the Japanese Smash fanbase. Takamaru also had a prominent cameo in the Wii version of Samurai Warriors 3 (as well as being a major NPC in Captain Rainbow, though that game bombed). Takamaru's main obstacle though is that he is basically unknown to Western Smash fans. However, Sakurai has said he has no qualms with including Japan-exclusive character if he believes that they would have international appeal.
you can change it to that other toph pic.Billychu said:I wish I was allowed to change my avatar.
You're not?Billychu said:I wish I was allowed to change my avatar.
Ezalc said:Also another thing is that Sakurai is only catering to Japanese fans, now that's great but fuck this will be an international game.
If I change my avatar to something that's not Toph I keep getting people asking me in threads and PMs to change it back.Chet Rippo said:You're not?
Snakey said:Sakurai has gone on the record to say that he does pay attention to requests outside of Japan. This has been inferred by his statements regarding the inclusion of Pit and Sonic. Sakurai mentioned on including Pit that Pit was popular in both Japan and America. Regarding Sonic's inclusion, he said he found out after he had decided most of the roster that Sonic was the most requested newcomer among the Western Smash Bros. fanbase.
So yes, Sakurai does get a memo about what the Western Smash Bros. fanbase wants.
Javier said:Considering how many different unique characters the Fire Emblem series has, one thing I'd love to see is the series getting its own Assist Trophy/Pokeball item that summons an FE character to assist the summoner. I suppose the Rescue Staff would fit for that.
I'm sure tons of people would be pleased that way.
Snakey said:Sakurai has gone on the record to say that he does pay attention to requests outside of Japan. This has been inferred by his statements regarding the inclusion of Pit and Sonic. Sakurai mentioned on including Pit that Pit was popular in both Japan and America. Regarding Sonic's inclusion, he said he found out after he had decided most of the roster that Sonic was the most requested newcomer among the Western Smash Bros. fanbase.
So yes, Sakurai does get a memo about what the Western Smash Bros. fanbase wants.
Ezalc said:I kind of doubt that before Brawl Pit was more requested to be in Smash than Lil' Mac. As for Sonic he's always been requested like everywhere.
Uhh... yes? How does that change anything?Ezalc said:Lyn was already an assist trophy in Brawl.
I wouldn't take that as "the West is why Sonic got in".Snakey said:I have been following the Smash Bros. fanbase extensively since 2001, and I can assure you that Pit was by far the most requested retro character prior to Brawl's unveil.
On the matter of Sonic, Sakurai specifically mentioned that much of Sonic's requests came from the United States. Sonic is not popular at all in Japan.
Sakurai said this:
"At the time we announced Snake, we actually put together a survey for our users, asking which characters they would like to see in the game. And a huge amount of people said Sonic, epsecially in the United States."
Ookami-kun said:Give Wolf a better Up B and have his normal attacks have some weird high priority, Sakurai.
Oh and make him crawl. I find it odd that his crouch is an all-fours but he couldn't crawl.
Snakey said:Wolf is only five moves away from being a completely unique character. Same with Lucas. They only need different specials and a different Final Smash and then they are completely unique characters.
The only veteran series that need newcomers are Mario (Toad, Paper Mario, or Bowser Jr.), Metroid (Ridley), Donkey Kong (K. Rool or Dixie Kong), and Kid Icarus (Palutena and/or Medusa). Pokemon (and maybe Fire Emblem) will get their "flavors of the month". Also, bring back Mewtwo and Roy (perhaps even re-incorporate Dr. Mario as a costume).
Aside from that, I think Smash 4 should focus on Nintendo series that currently lack a playable character in Smash Bros. Miis from the "Wii" series, Little Mac from the Punch-Out series, Starfy from the Legendary Starfy series, Isaac/Matthew from the Golden Sun series, Saki from Sin & Punishment.
We are basically tapped out now for characters from Nintendo's veteran franchises (series that already have a playable character in Smash Bros.).
Snakey said:Little Mac is certainly deserving for inclusion, and is among the most requested newcomers for Smash 4 among the Western Smash Bros. fanbase.
However, there are two possible obstacles to his inclusion. One is that the Punch-Out series is not popular in Japan and Little Mac is not requested at all by the Japanese Smash fanbase.
The second obstacle is that Sakurai might deem Little Mac "too boring" to warrant being given a playable spot (since all of his moves would likely only be punches). Sakurai excluded the Urban Champion for similar reaons, one of several characters that Sakurai had considered for the retro spot in Melee that later went to the Ice Climbers. His reason for excluding the Urban Champion was that "he could not do much of anything with him". In the original game of Urban Champion, all the titular character could do was punch and throw a bomb.
On the topic of Japan-exclusive retro characters (Takamaru, Lip, Sukapon), the most likely of them to be made playable in Smash 4 is Takamaru, the main protagonist of Nazo no Murasame. Nazo no Murasame has become a cult hit in Japan, and Takamaru is among the most requested newcomers for Smash 4 among the Japanese Smash fanbase. Takamaru also had a prominent cameo in the Wii version of Samurai Warriors 3 (as well as being a major NPC in Captain Rainbow, though that game bombed). Takamaru's main obstacle though is that he is basically unknown to Western Smash fans. However, Sakurai has said he has no qualms with including Japan-exclusive character if he believes that they would have international appeal.
Snakey said:And that is the reason why I think Lip will never be playable in Smash Bros.
The most likely retro character that I can see getting a modern revival in Smash Bros. 4 is probably Mach Rider. The design aesthetic for the trophy in Melee was very appealing.
On the topic of female newcomers though. The most likely additions will be Palutena and/or Medusa. There is also the possibility that Dixie Kong might be added since she was planned for Brawl, though K. Rool has more requests than her both in the West and Japan.
I think Sakurai should add both goddesses in. They are definitely both aesthetically appealing, and will surely be recognizable characters assuming Kid Icarus Uprising is a massive retail success.
Other female characters I believe is just wishful thinking.
Snakey said:Wolf is only five moves away from being a completely unique character. Same with Lucas. They only need different specials and a different Final Smash and then they are completely unique characters.
IntelliHeath said:Well, we could see Magus for Kid Icarus. Also We should see Tom Nook for Animal Crossing serie, and Takamaru from mysterious castle.
Pretty much this. Hell, I barely consider Fox and Falco clones because their move properties differ so much.Ookami-kun said:They're already unique. Similar but different special attacks don't make them clones.
Ookami-kun said:They're already unique. Similar but different special attacks don't make them clones.
GamerSoul said:Lucas is pretty awesome so I can't complain. Idk wtf happened to Falcon and Ganondorf. yeesh.
Billychu said:If I change my avatar to something that's not Toph I keep getting people asking me in threads and PMs to change it back.
You can dress up Toph as other characters, or other character as Toph.Billychu said:If I change my avatar to something that's not Toph I keep getting people asking me in threads and PMs to change it back.
Snakey said:Sakurai made Ganondorf a clone of Captain Falcon because he was aware of how requested he was and the only other character on the roster that had a similar body shape to him was Captain Falcon. Sakurai said if it were not for this, Ganondorf would not even have been playable in Melee.
Also, keep in mind that it was originally planned that Melee would only have 20 playable characters. However, with some development time left over to implement more characters, Sakurai decided to implement six "model swaps" (clones) before the game's release. Clone were not a sign that Melee was rushed, but rather an attempt to add even more content onto the game.
I'm sure Pokemon will get more than one new character. Melee got 2 and brawl got 4 (with the tragic loss of Mew2 ... I guess Pichu just evolved into Brawl Pikachu).Snakey said:The only veteran series that need newcomers are Mario (Toad, Paper Mario, or Bowser Jr.), Metroid (Ridley), Donkey Kong (K. Rool or Dixie Kong), and Kid Icarus (Palutena and/or Medusa). Pokemon (and maybe Fire Emblem) will get their "flavors of the month". Also, bring back Mewtwo and Roy (perhaps even re-incorporate Dr. Mario as a costume).
Aside from that, I think Smash 4 should focus on Nintendo series that currently lack a playable character in Smash Bros. Miis from the "Wii" series, Little Mac from the Punch-Out series, Starfy from the Legendary Starfy series, Isaac/Matthew from the Golden Sun series, Saki from Sin & Punishment.
We are basically tapped out now for characters from Nintendo's veteran franchises (series that already have a playable character in Smash Bros.).
Black-Wind said:I'm sure Pokemon will get more than one new character.
And SF ... just put in Krystal using Dino-Staff skills. It would be nice to have a SF character that fights completely different to the others.
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Ezalc said:If you make an Amarant one I'm calling dibs man. Love me some Flaming Salamander.
You'd be surprised.Snakey said:Also, Krystal has no point in being add (in addition to be a character that probably has more people hating her than actually has fans).
Chet Rippo said:You'd be surprised.
spanks said:Since most people just want Krystal for her staff-based moves, why not just give the staff to Fox? Traditional Fox players can still use Falco and Wolf, and three clones is too much anyway.
I realise it would seem crazy to most super-serious Smash players, but it's better than having Krystal, who pretty much represents everything that is wrong with Starfox since its descent into outsourced shit.
Krystal would have to get a redesign to fit in with the other SF members, much like Wolf was designed to fit in with Fox.Snakey said:Krystal is a horrible choice. The character is practically synonymous with the downfall of the Star Fox series. Also most people find the idea of an anthro-fox in a bikini to be squick. Besides, there is now Palutena and Medusa for staff based movesets.
"Flavor of the month" basically means Zoroark seeing as it's supposed to serve the same purpose as Lucario for the 5th gen of Pokemon.Snakey said:I wrote in that post that Pokemon's newcomer would likely consist of a "flavor of the month" and Mewtwo returning. Zoroark is pretty reduntant to add, especially coming off of Lucario. If a Black/White Pokemon were to be added, I think Victini would prove to be a better addition.
I would need a citation for that last bit.Your comment on Ridley is also pretty ill-informed, however, I am sure that others in this thread have already commented on the foolishness of the size issue. With so few big name characters not yet playable, I am sure that Sakurai will be much more willing to take the time and patience to implement Ridley as a playable character this time (fyi, Sakurai said Ridley could be made into a playable character, but speed would be greatly compromised).
"Furries" are a perfectly valid party in a fanbase. Not going into the details of how the term has been bastardized into giving the sexual impression you get when talking about it on the web but yeah, it's a common demo companies tap.I am well aware of how Krystal is the video game postergirl for the furries. I was talking about non-furries in my post.
Snakey said:Again, we now have not one but TWO characters that utilize staffs that are going to likely become very well known (and popular) in the next few months. And what is even grander about them is that Sakurai himself is very familiar with the characters (being the director for Kid Icarus Uprising) and can thus exploit most of their in-game abilities into their prospective movesets.
See one of my previous posts on this page to see what Palutena and Medusa look like.
spanks said:I don't think the onslaught of Uprising characters is set in stone. Where is the precedent? Sakurai didn't add Metaknight or Dedede until a decade after he started on Smash. And that is for a fairly popular and long-running Nintendo series. Kid Icarus has had two games in nigh-on 30 years! People think that Roy was added for advertising reasons, but your FE post says otherwise. I mean, there is a good chance of one of them getting in, but going from one KI character to three, when classic Nintendo series like F-Zero or Mother only have one or two... Sakurai's not that egotistical, imo.
PokéKong said:In what sense are they not clones? All of their specials are modified versions of the exact same attacks, and they're not even in different weight classes.
A fact which I found very disappointing. The amount of effort put into Lucas seemed downright disrespectful, from a fan of the Mother series' perspective. I mean there's such a wide variety of PSI abilities, the functions and appearances of which are almost completely open to whatever interpretation the makers of Smash choose, yet they just take all of Ness' and tweak them a bit and call it good. And then of course PK Flash is the only one of their specials which either of them actually have in the games, if I wanna get extra nitpicky here.
Snakey said:4. F-Zero has not had a new game since 2004 (and the last two games it did get bombed very hard in sales). As such its understandable as to why the series is continued to be represented with only one playable character in the Smash Bros. series.
The Xtortionist said:Not having F-Zero for WiiU in the launch window would be a huge mistake imo. It's pretty much the most hardcore franchise they have.
Then Samurai Goroh can be in the next Smash. He can't lose in his Fire Stingray!
And just like that i'm imagining Goroh using his surprising gymnastic flips to enter his car, damn those GX cutscenes!The Xtortionist said:Not having F-Zero for WiiU in the launch window would be a huge mistake imo. It's pretty much the most hardcore franchise they have.
Then Samurai Goroh can be in the next Smash. He can't lose in his Fire Stingray!
Nocturnowl said:And just like that i'm imagining Goroh using his surprising gymnastic flips to enter his car, damn those GX cutscenes!