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Next Super Smash Bros. discussion thread, Community Edition
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Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
I'll let you indulge in your thoughts then. Clearly you have no idea what theme-making is.
Hot Coldman
Banned
Even cross-overs need limits. Otherwise you end up with dumb shit like Cole in SFxT.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
I am thinking about running it for good. I think we should have a deadline which would be before June 2012. (Before e3 2012.)
However, I need a help with rules.
How many characters as maximum?
I think 45-50 is being reasonable.
How many third party slots?
I would say, 2 or 3
I would like to include stage prediction as well but I am not sure what purpose it would serve. Maybe in case if we have draw. I'm not sure.
What exactly would be wrong with including Goku? Apparently not having origins as a video game character makes that character ineligible to be included in Smash Bros? If that's the case, then why do we have Pikachu, Mewtwo, Pokemon Trainer and the like in Smash Bros? They are not originally video game characters and appear from an anime. Please explain.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Psssh, limits? What limits?
I guess I've seen the deep end of the fandom that somehow I can classify the general worst things about the stupidity spouting from their mouths :lol
Wait, you don't know they came from a game first?
Not sure if trolling or serious...
Definitely mixed, although it gets quite a few merit points for the amount of pieces overall. Melee's orchestral soundtrack, although short, was consistantly amazing.
I remember being pretty disappointed in the Metroid selection, which I was looking forward to the most. Although dat hard-hitting Ridley theme was pretty awesome.
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Oh, come on. This should have been a dead give-away that it's trolling.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Honestly I wouldn't mind revealing all characters but in silhouettes. With each specific day we get to see them revealed.
But then again a lot of the characters are like TF2 cast - easily recognizable silhouettes.
Hot Coldman
Banned
Aha, I think Sayah is like 12
Togglesworlh
Banned
ahaha you are a riot
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Actually after seeing that "Most joke posters in NeoGAF" thread in OT I think that may not be the case.
I wasn't aware Kefka was in FFX
No......not really,lol.... but srsly, why is having origins as a video game character essential?
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Sakurai said it. Must be from a video game first, and must be in a Nintendo console first.
Actually from general GAF opinions, I could say the same to you!
The Pokemon series is owned by Nintendo.
Yes, why haven't they remade that stage in Brawl?!?!
Imagine if this started playing on the last minute/stock in a match where a Black/White song was chosen.
And we need those instrumental flourishes when an enemy gets hit in the Zelda series too.
ElectricBlanketFire
Member
How about adding a black character for once:
Here's what I personally want:
Little Mac
Takamaru
Ghirahim
Waluigi
Prince Fluff
Dragon Quest Hero
Ganondorf (new moveset)
Black Shadow (Ganondorf's old moveset revamp)
Mewtwo (make him playable)
Roy (new moveset)
What we'll probably see:
Zoroark
6th gen Pokemon
Fire Emblem new protagonist
2 Kid Icarus: Uprising characters
Toon Zelda
Little Mac
Takamaru
Ghirahim
Waluigi
Prince Fluff
Dragon Quest Hero
Ganondorf (new moveset)
Black Shadow (Ganondorf's old moveset revamp)
Mewtwo (make him playable)
Roy (new moveset)
What we'll probably see:
Zoroark
6th gen Pokemon
Fire Emblem new protagonist
2 Kid Icarus: Uprising characters
Toon Zelda
How long ago was that? That philosophy doesn't seem very reasonable. Then that also means there can't be any Sora in Smash Bros.
He best have had his mind changed by now.
I don't want to get involved in this pissing match, but has it ever been stated that the aim was to make a Nintendo fighter, rather than that simply being what it eventually happened to become? When the idea first came up to turn Sakurai's original fighter into a crossover mascot brawler do you honestly think Sakurai thought "yes, now I can fulfill my dream of making a game with and only with Nintendo characters"?
The fact that Snake and Sonic are both in suggests the development team is not as close to being as concerned with this staying this way as some people seem to think they are. Yes, you can say that Snake only got in as a "favour", and Sonic only got in because the fans wanted him, but it was still ultimately up to the development team whether to implement it. If I'm writing a sequel to War and Peace, and my buddy / the fans of the previous books come up to me and ask me to include Jar Jar Binks, I don't have to do it. Doing so would cloud the vision that I have. If the Smash Bros games were only about being Nintendo focused, then neither of the two would have made it in, fan requests / favours or not.
And it's better off for it
As long as they've been featured in a game on a Nintendo console, and they're first and foremost from a video game, they could be considered for inclusion. That was the rule of the poll for Brawl and it's reasonable and flexible enough that they would use it for every game. They could have Sora thanks to CoM, Days, Re:Coded and 3D.
No. Stop it. Mickey/Goku has no chance in SSB4. Why would they accept non-video game characters in it? Have you actually played Smash Bros? I mean... seriously....
Togglesworlh
Banned
GENERAL GAF OPINIONS, HUH
Probably. But for entirely different reasons. :3
The original plan didn't involve Nintendo character at all, I believe. Don't quote me on that, though. I think I read it in Brawl's Iwata Asks, but my memory is notoriously awful and prone to fill in blanks with false information.
EDIT: Not that that means anything at all, of course. Plans change, as is obvious by the direction they eventually took Smash Bros. Plans could change again. It all depends on circumstances. U:
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Alright,
12 characters in SSB
25 characters in SSBM: 12 veterans and 14 newcomers (26 with Sheik)
35 characters in SSBB: 20 veterans and 15 newcomers (40 with Sheik, Zero Suit Samus, Charizard, Squirtle and Ivysaur)
Weird thing, if you look at 40 characters, then we would have 18 new characters.
You are correct.
The title suppose to be Dragon King: The Fighting Game.
12 characters in SSB
25 characters in SSBM: 12 veterans and 14 newcomers (26 with Sheik)
35 characters in SSBB: 20 veterans and 15 newcomers (40 with Sheik, Zero Suit Samus, Charizard, Squirtle and Ivysaur)
Weird thing, if you look at 40 characters, then we would have 18 new characters.
You are correct.
The title suppose to be Dragon King: The Fighting Game.
I don't care if it's the only FE5 representation Smash Bros. gets. This track needs to be in the game.
No, I'm 99% certain you are right. What I mean is, when the idea finally came up to turn it into a crossover fighter, I doubt the intention was for it to necessarily be Nintendo only, its just that at that point in time, this was the best way to go. In other words, I'm sure that if the creators of Snake, Sonic, Megaman, whatever approached the team at this point (obviously ignoring the fact some of this would have been impossible), the first Smash, I think, would have almost certainly featured them. I really really doubt they would have gone "No. Get out of here. This is a Nintendo only fighting game".
I mean, you can't say that for sure, I know, but surely.
How about adding a black character for once:
Man, I just remembered Mac has the perfect Final Smash with Giga Mac. He really needs to get in, with a Punch-Out stage that has the other boxers as cameos.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
The game wasn't originally to star Smash Bros. but rather different, original characters. They decided to turn them into Nintendo characters however to increase selling point. It became a Nintendo fighter however, since that transformation.
And yes, the two were included. But like I said, they were very minor that in the end you can pretty much still see the whole party as being Nintendo with guests. However you have people pretty much asking the roster to be 75% third party, which is stupid and nonsensical. Yes, I am exaggerating (the closest is 50%), but it does paint a picture on what sort of bizarre idea they are trying to show.
I'm not saying 3rd parties are bad - I'm saying that they should be treated as they are - guests. A lot of people seem to forget that and assume that they can pretty much chug in a lot of shit they can think of.
I've played all 3 Smash Bros. I don't see why people would have a problem with including non-video game characters that have nonetheless starred in some quality games. It's not like Mickey has only appeared in some shovelware spin-off movie game. In any case, to each his own.
I had Brawl Plus for a little while but I got rid of Homebrew shortly afterwards. It's using Marth's moveset, though. :/
Well the thing is that I think if the franchise ever introduced characters like Goku, James Bond, or whatever then pretty much anything could happen. Which is neat and all, but keeps this very inconsistent level and deviates from the original purpose.
Snake and Sonic while they got representation they were still guest characters, the majority of Brawl focused on Nintendo history so it still keep it's core purpose.
Even then, if Smash Bros. would stick to something, it has to be video games. We can't crossover anime, movies, TV shows, whatever too cause thematically it would just clash with the game's aesthetic.
Now if this game was titled: Nintendo vs. Sega: Super Smash Bros. 4 then yeah there would be different expectations there and that would be understandable. But I doubt that'll happen anytime soon cause fans will still demand to see characters like Megaman in the game.
Thank you. This honestly needed to be said. I don't really get how people have such a hard time believing 3rd parties are more like guest characters.
Because it's not gonna happen and seriously believing Mickey has a chance is ridiculous.
Is anyone asking for 50% third party characters, though? There were 33 Nintendo characters in Brawl (not including the transformations and the like) and 2 third party ones, I sincerely doubt anybody wants 31 new third party characters to bring that up to balance. The most I've ever seen is people asking for 50% of the new characters to be third party, and even thats not all that common.
You can still keep the game Nintendo focused AND bring in a half dozen new third party characters. Thats what I would like to see, personally. It doesn't need to overwhelm the whole thing, but just having one or two again seems pointless.
I wouldn't have a problem with this idea at all if the game was originally called, "Any character from the cartoon, anime, and video game forms of entertainment fighter".
We can talk about it all we want, which isn't a problem, but the probability of something like this actually happening is small right now, until something is announced about the game by someone who is involved with the game.
The original Super Mario Kart and Super Mario Sunshine did not feature Mario characters. The originaly Kirby Tilt N Tumble did not feature Kirby. Many prototype - early game concepts concentrate on the the template more so than finalized characters and themes. But Smash Bros is a "Nintendo fighting game" more so than "random video character fighting game". It has an identity. It is part of the reason people love it so much. Because of all the Nintendo lore and history.
There are still several popular and niche characters and worlds from Nintendo that have not been represented.
I knew this would happen again. A lot of people expecting off the wall characters for Brawl too, years ago, and lo and behold, none of them came. The cycle continues today. Keep exceptions in check, as Mickey Mouse, Goku, Sora, Sephiroth, Yugi Muto will never be in a Smash Bros. game, period
Togglesworlh
Banned
I don't think we're talking about what we believe. Just general wishlists. Is that so wrong, given some of the other ridiculous, disgusting shit has gone on in this thread?
(Note that I've expressed no similar wishes. The only characters I have explicitly stated that I desire are Slime Knight riding a Chocobo (mostly jokingly) and Skullkid (completely seriously).)
I guess I'm different from all you Nintendo fanboys* in that I only care if the characters included are fun and worthwhile, not whether or not they stay true to the immaculate purity of Nintendooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.Big One said:
Fuck that shit. I play this game because it's fun to play and I get some stupid nerd fantasy bullshit of Mario versus Link played out a million times on my TV screen. These two characters have jack-all to do with each other, outside of sharing the same creator, and yet, there they are. Swordsman versus plumber. Versus electric rat versus speedy hedgehog versus guy with bandana versus whatever. None of it matters as long as it's fun.
If people would seriously be bothered by the inclusion of Megaman, Slime, Rayman, Pac-man, or whatever, then they need to reevaluate their lives, because they've got issues.
*I guess I should really stop using this phrase, as I don't necessarily mean it in an insulting manner, even though it's always going to come off as such. I just don't know how else to describe this attitude. Smash fanboy? Is that more appropriate?
I have no issues with wanting 3rd party characters outside of Snake and Sonic. I just hate it when people have unrealistic expectations and asks for Mickey. Like... come on.
On a side note: Togglesworlh, a Slime Knight would actually be a cool idea for a Dragon Quest rep. Slime is very iconic to the franchise, and having a Slime Knight would give it good potential for a moveset!
Personally, I wouldn't mind MegaMan. He's my top wanted 3rd party character... but I doubt Capcom is gonna include him knowing how they've been treating his franchise lately.
On a side note: Togglesworlh, a Slime Knight would actually be a cool idea for a Dragon Quest rep. Slime is very iconic to the franchise, and having a Slime Knight would give it good potential for a moveset!
Personally, I wouldn't mind MegaMan. He's my top wanted 3rd party character... but I doubt Capcom is gonna include him knowing how they've been treating his franchise lately.
Togglesworlh
Banned
Please, explain.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Nothing against Dragon Quest seris. I would love to see Crono or Geno. I know they have very slim chance to be in.
Slime from Dragon Quest are more likely than Crono and Geno.
If Geno gets in, he might count more as a Mario rep than a SE rep. So I think it'd be okay if they can get away with a SE character + Geno in the roster. I can be wrong though.
And yeah, you're right. DQ has a higher chance than CT.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Like I said, it wasn't a Nintendo fighter at first, but pretty much became that identity the moment it was sold... wait a minute, why are you quoting me when we share the same idea?
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