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exactly.
Green Mamba
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More or less, but Mike Jones has even lower chances than Geno. None of his games were ever released in Japan. He wasn't even a sticker in Brawl, and freaking Sukapon was a sticker in Brawl.
Barrow Roll
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There are few actual true combos in the game since hitstun is so low and you can also cancel hitstun with an airdodge or an aerial attack. Whatever combos you think you're pulling off were probably escapable.
Have you played Melee recently? Rock solid 60fps. Only time it dips is on Fountain of Dreams with 4 players. That's why it's a neutral stage in tournament singles but banned in doubles.
man, no. zero sucks. how about megaman goddamn x.
Professor Beef
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I've never even heard of Star Tropics.
Legends 3: The Game That Would Sell 10 Copies?
Sir Ilpalazzo
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If they add more third-party characters, I hope they sort of take the Super Mario Bros. Crossover route and focus on characters who were big on the NES (like Simon Belmont and Ryu Hayabusa). I would love that.
DICKS AHOY
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I'd love Hawaiian-shirt Mario from Sunshine. Maybe if we're lucky they could even make the original red-overalls Mario a separate character!
Someone had an idea earlier in this thread that was about Toad, but having him on a gocart. Amazing idea if you ask me.
Edit: Here is the post.
a transforming mecha go kart
Oh shut up.
EDIT: Capcom didn't even give us the demo to determine how it'd sell anyways.
Better than having fucking Daisy on a go-kart.
Nocturnowl
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It is the best scream ever, if Toad makes the cut this needs to be his star ko scream.
Dracula X counts, right? We're going to get ugly modern Simon anyway.
They wouldn't put him in, only Beefcake Man.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Dynamo >>>>>>>> X and Zero
He also has the best theme music
Why is Sie Kensou wearing weird armor
He also has the best theme music
Was he even on a Nintendo system? I dunno. Who cares?
Why is Sie Kensou wearing weird armor
Starphoenix
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Here is a SSB4 poll a user has been running on Smashboards, Gamefaqs and Nsider. It has received a lot of votes, and I cannot see it hurting to extend the poll out to other demographics. One important note is you can only vote ONCE in the poll.
http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/545228
http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/545228
Now if Banjo and Kazooie or Rayman are in this game I'll be totally re-psyched. Unfortunately pretty unlikely since Rare and Michel Ancel have pretty contentious relationship with Nintendo
So we're at that point where everyone's shitting on everyone else's thoughts on the roster now huh?
Also Classic Megaman is just right for this game. I say this as someone that prefers the X series too.
eeeewwwwwwww
Also Classic Megaman is just right for this game. I say this as someone that prefers the X series too.
eeeewwwwwwww
Professor Beef
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You'll get Zero again and you'll like it.
Professor Beef
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What makes you think I can't appreciate camp? :lol
I'll give you this round though.
Classic Mega Man, and all his moves should be shooting something. No punches or kicks. Every move, normals and specials, should have him stick out his gun and fire one of the many, many power-ups from the 10 classic series games.
The only exceptions are d-tilt, which has to be his slide, and n-air, which has to be Top Spin.
The only exceptions are d-tilt, which has to be his slide, and n-air, which has to be Top Spin.
Up B needs to be him riding Rush like a hoverboard MM8 intro style.
Yea... but if you wanted to differentiate, Bowser Jr. could have Shadow Mario/Paintbrush related abilities. He's also been seen to use the clowncopter. Baby Bowser fights more like Bowers (ground pounds and the like) and relies more on Kamek.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
A27_StarWolf
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I don't know if that has been put out there, but Girahim was such a memorable charcter and he has AMAZING Smash Brothers Potential.
Alright now think about this, I imagine he could play as a mewtwo character crossed with link.
Alright now think about this, I imagine he could play as a mewtwo character crossed with link.
This is somewhat correct. Though, in all actuality, Melee and Brawl share the same hitstun value. The key difference is what you said, you can cancel the hitstun with an attack or an air dodge, making it impossible to actually follow-up from anything above 40-50% (or a little higher, depending on the move).
The only things that ever will combo legitimately in Brawl are those that induce weak stun, or put you into the state before the tumble state. Things like Sheik's Ftilt at low %s can be linked into themselves over and over again, but the main reason that works is because you can't DI during weak stun (or weak tumble, depending on the terminology you prefer). Yes, you can still SDI those moves, but most moves that do that tend to have really low SDI multipliers making SDI ineffective for escape.
It's also why DDD's down throw is a chain grab, why Falco's down throw is a chain grab, and so on. Had you been able to DI during this state (weak stun/weak tumble) a lot of the problems Brawl has would immediately be solved. Unfortunately, Sakurai thought it was a cool idea to disable the ability to DI during weak stun as if to possibly make up for the fact that he got rid of comboing at higher %s. Which as everyone who has watched competitive SSBB can see now broke a lot of things (I say broke because DDD's Dthrow wasn't intended to CG most likely).
Anyway, this is partially off topic, I just wanted to bring that to light as a deeper explanation on it. Most people prefer to just say Brawl has low hitstun however partially incorrect that may be when there's a lot more factors involved in how combos were possible in Melee.
As far as the new Smash games go, I'm keeping my eye on them and hoping for a lot more NEW characters this time around. Hoping Sakurai doesn't cut anyone at all at this point and only adds to the roster (I mean, why would you cut Ganondorf for example, in favor of Ghirahim when Ganondorf has been in the last two Smash games? Would make a lot of players upset). I'd also hope that maybe he'll actually allow for combos again but that seems highly doubtful and is only wishful thinking on my part.
I would certainly like to see Megaman in this like everybody else does, he makes a perfect fit for the game and in fact, started off on Nintendo's consoles so... it only makes sense. =\
Just gotta hope Sakurai doesn't do anything as stupid as tripping this time around. God forbid he makes characters have any more "realistic accidents" occur...
Done rambling lol.
I completely agree.. If they were gonna add a Zelda character I can't think of a better candidate.
Ghirahim is likely, but I thought he was a shitty villain. Oh well.
I guess I meant how they are likely to include a character from the most recent game. Skull Kid would be awesome! But I really liked Ghirahim so I'd love to see them use him again. I can just imagine his annoying voice yelling out during a match.
Barrow Roll
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Truth be told, I actually knew all of this and learned a lot of it from following the Project M development thread since it's inception. Glad that you went into detail though because I certainly didn't care to when I knew it was just going to be glossed over by more character wishing/speculation anyways. Most of the time it's easier to just say that the hitstun is lower since being able to cancel it almost immediately gives the same end result anyways, even if it is technically a half truth.This is somewhat correct. Though, in all actuality, Melee and Brawl share the same hitstun value. The key difference is what you said, you can cancel the hitstun with an attack or an air dodge, making it impossible to actually follow-up from anything above 40-50% (or a little higher, depending on the move).
The only things that ever will combo legitimately in Brawl are those that induce weak stun, or put you into the state before the tumble state. Things like Sheik's Ftilt at low %s can be linked into themselves over and over again, but the main reason that works is because you can't DI during weak stun (or weak tumble, depending on the terminology you prefer). Yes, you can still SDI those moves, but most moves that do that tend to have really low SDI multipliers making SDI ineffective for escape.
It's also why DDD's down throw is a chain grab, why Falco's down throw is a chain grab, and so on. Had you been able to DI during this state (weak stun/weak tumble) a lot of the problems Brawl has would immediately be solved. Unfortunately, Sakurai thought it was a cool idea to disable the ability to DI during weak stun as if to possibly make up for the fact that he got rid of comboing at higher %s. Which as everyone who has watched competitive SSBB can see now broke a lot of things (I say broke because DDD's Dthrow wasn't intended to CG most likely).
Anyway, this is partially off topic, I just wanted to bring that to light as a deeper explanation on it. Most people prefer to just say Brawl has low hitstun however partially incorrect that may be when there's a lot more factors involved in how combos were possible in Melee.
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