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Sporting News NFL @sn_nfl · 1h 1 hour ago
Troy Brown thinks Andrew Luck 'is as good as Andy Dalton’ http://dlvr.it/80B7Fd

Yup.

...wait, what?

I'd love to see the current Bengals lineup with Luck at QB.

 

[FrenchMovieTheme]

Sporting News NFL @sn_nfl · 1h 1 hour ago
Troy Brown thinks Andrew Luck 'is as good as Andy Dalton’ http://dlvr.it/80B7Fd

Yup.

...wait, what?

I mean it's a true statement. He is as good and then also better.

Like the old mitch joke goes: I used to do drugs. I still do but I used to too

 

[bionic77]

Washington could learn something from this.

I am sure they could learn about how not to risk young players and a lot more from the Steelers and other real football franchises.

 

[Bowser]

From Barnwell's Wild Card preview this morning:

Luck, once a leading MVP candidate, dropped off considerably during the second half. His 72.9 QBR was sixth-best through Week 10; after returning from his bye the following week, Luck’s QBR fell all the way to 48.9, placing him just below Geno Smith (49.1) and Jay Cutler (49.3) over that same time frame. DVOA further drops Luck for the relative lack of quality competition he faced.

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/together-we-make-playoffs-the-2015-nfl-wild-card-preview/

Yikes.

 

[Grexeno]

Smart thing to do.

No reason to risk such a talented young player.

Just need to beat Baltimore and he should almost certainly be good to go for Denver.

 

[Kave_Man]

Looking at the list very pleased with Joel Bitonio getting a vote.

Also think Gipson may have got a few more votes if he didn't get injured.

 

[eznark]

Barnwell writes a whole column using QBR? Didn't that guy used to pretend to be legit?

 

[Milchjon]

Barnwell writes a whole column using QBR? Didn't that guy used to pretend to be legit?

Pretty sure he's been doing that forever.

Probably forced to by ESPN

 

[chuckddd]

So no one else has to go hunting.

Offense
Quarterback
Aaron Rodgers, Green Bay, 44; Tony Romo, Dallas, 3; Tom Brady, New England, 2; Andrew Luck, Indianapolis, 1.

Running Backs -- x
DeMarco Murray, Dallas, 48; Le'Veon Bell, Pittsburgh, 44; Marshawn Lynch, Seattle, 7.

Fullback -- y
John Kuhn, Green Bay, 18; Anthony Sherman, Kansas City, 14; Marcel Reece, Oakland, 12; Bruce Miller, San Francisco, 3; Marshawn Lynch, Seattle, 1; Kyle Juszczyk, Baltimore, 1.

Tight End
Rob Gronkowski, New England, 50.

Wide Receivers
Antonio Brown, Pittsburgh, 49; Dez Bryant, Dallas, 24; Jordy Nelson, Green Bay, 15; Demaryius Thomas, Denver, 11; Odell Beckham Jr., New York Giants, 1.

Tackles
Tyron Smith, Dallas, 35; Joe Thomas, Cleveland, 22; Andrew Whitworth, Cincinnati, 14; Jason Peters, Philadelphia, 12; Ryan Clady, Denver, 4; Sebastian Vollmer, New England, 3; Joe Staley, San Francisco, 3; Ricky Wagner, Baltimore, 2; Trent Williams, Washington, 1; Lane Johnson, Philadelphia, 1; Jared Veldheer, Arizona, 1; Bryan Bulaga, Green Bay, 1; Louis Vasquez, Denver, 1.

Guards
Marshal Yanda, Baltimore, 38; Zach Martin, Dallas, 24; Josh Sitton, Green Bay, 22; Kyle Long, St, Louis, 5; Mike Iupati, San Francisco, 4; Evan Mathis, Philadelphia, 2; Jahri Evans, New Orleans, 2; Joel Bitonio, Cleveland, 1; Dan Connolly, New England, 1; James Carpenter, Seattle, 1.

Center
Maurkice Pouncey, Pittsburgh, 21; Travis Frederick, Dallas, 14; Nick Mangold, New York Jets, 7; Jason Kelce, Philadelphia, 5; Corey Linsley, Green Bay, 1; Rodney Hudson, Kansas City, 1; Ryan Kalil, Carolina, 1.

Placekicker
Adam Vinatieri, Indianapolis, 25; Stephen Gostkowski, New England, 21; Matt Bryant, Atlanta, 1; Dan Bailey, Dallas, 1; Chandler Catanzaro, Arizona, 1; Justin Tucker, Baltimore, 1.

Kick Returner
Adam Jones, Cincinnati, 17; Darren Sproles, Philadelphia, 15; Devin Hester, Chicago, 14; Jacoby Jones, Baltimore, 3; De'Anthony Thomas, Kansas City, 1.

***

Defense
Ends
J.J. Watt, Houston, 45; Mario Williams, Buffalo, 24; Calais Campbell, Arizona, 11; Fletcher Cox, Philadelphia, 5; Cameron Wake, Miami, 5; Michael Bennett, Seattle, 3; Elvis Dumervil, Baltimore, 3; Everson Griffen, Minnesota, 1; Jerry Hughes, Buffalo, 1; Robert Quinn, St. Louis, 1; Muhammad Wilkerson, New York Jets, 1.

Tackles
Ndamukong Suh, Detroit, 41; Marcell Dareus, Buffalo, 24; Gerald McCoy, Tampa Bay, 13; J.J. Watt, Houston, 5; Kyle Williams, Buffalo, 4; Aaron Donald, St. Louis, 4; Sheldon Richardson, New York Jets, 4; Sen'Derrick Marks, Jacksonville, 2; Fletcher Cox, Philadelphia, 2; Calais Campbell, Arizona, 1.

Outside Linebackers
Justin Houston, Kansas City, 47; Elvis Dumervil, Baltimore, 13; Von Miller, Denver, 11; Connor Barwin, Philadelphia, 11; DeAndre Levy, Detroit, 7; Clay Matthews, Green Bay, 5; Ryan Kerrigan, Washington, 3; Lavonte David, Tampa Bay, 2; Terrell Suggs, Baltimore, 1.

Inside Linebacker
Luke Kuechly, Carolina, 43; Bobby Wagner, Seattle, 31; C.J. Mosley, Baltimore, 9; DeAndre Levy, Detroit, 4; Lawrence Timmons, Pittsburgh, 4; Jamie Collins, New England, 2; Dont'a Hightower, New England, 2; D'Qwell Jackson, Indianapolis, 1; Brandon Marshall, Denver, 1; Clay Matthews, Green Bay, 1; Larry Foote, Arizona, 1; Mychal Kendricks, Philadelphia 1.

Cornerbacks
Darrelle Revis, New England, 42; Richard Sherman, Seattle, 41; Chris Harris Jr., Denver, 9; Brent Grimes, Miami, 4; Vontae Davis, Indianapolis, 2; Aqib Talib, Denver, 1; Joe Haden, Cleveland, 1.

Safeties
Earl Thomas, Seattle, 39; Eric Weddle, San Diego, 16; Kam Chancellor, Seattle, 14; Glover Quin, Detroit, 13; Harrison Smith, Minnesota, 7; Antoine Bethea, San Francisco, 5; Devin McCourty, New England, 2; Tashaun Gipson, Cleveland, 2; Charles Woodson, Oakland, 1; Rashad Johnson, Arizona, 1.

Punter -- z
Pat McAfee, Indianapolis, 26; Johnny Hekker, St. Louis, 12; Sam Koch, Baltimore, 8; Kevin Huber, Cincinnati, 2; Bryan Anger, Jacksonville, 1.

x -- one voter selected only one running back.
y -- one voter did not select a fullback.
z -- one voter did not select a punter

 

[Bowser]

We all know the Stafford 0-17 on the road against winning teams statistic, but...wow:

Scott Kacsmar @FO_ScottKacsmar
BUF won, so Stafford has finally played a 9-7 team. He also didn't win that game, so 3-30.

Doesn't include the GB game, so make that 3-31 vs. teams with winning records in his career.

 

[ActStriker]

Devin Hester is still on the Bears, apparently.

 

[Dutch Gronk]

Gronk deserved all 50 of those votes, he is leagues ahead of every other TE.

This is why you're my friend

 

[eznark]

Gronk deserved all 50 of those votes, he is leagues ahead of every other TE.

He single handedly saved Lady's career, so yeah. definitely best TE in football and probably second on my MVP ballot.

 

[BeautifulMemory]

We all know the Stafford 0-17 on the road against winning teams statistic, but...wow:



Doesn't include the GB game, so make that 3-31 vs. teams with winning records in his career.

Roar!!!!!

 

[Alligatorjandro]

Isn't it strange how the best QBs always seem to have the best receivers

 

[Sweeney Tom]

We all know the Stafford 0-17 on the road against winning teams statistic, but...wow:



Doesn't include the GB game, so make that 3-31 vs. teams with winning records in his career.

we did it friends

it's been restored

 

[BaltimoreLarry]

Borland was the best defensive rookie this year

Everyone knows it's Mack even if they don't give it to him. Played in the toughest situation against the best teams.

Have to disagree, also:

Inside Linebacker
Luke Kuechly, Carolina, 43; Bobby Wagner, Seattle, 31; C.J. Mosley, Baltimore, 9; DeAndre Levy, Detroit, 4; Lawrence Timmons, Pittsburgh, 4; Jamie Collins, New England, 2; Dont'a Hightower, New England, 2; D'Qwell Jackson, Indianapolis, 1; Brandon Marshall, Denver, 1; Clay Matthews, Green Bay, 1; Larry Foote, Arizona, 1; Mychal Kendricks, Philadelphia 1.

It's nice to see people noticed.

 

[FrenchMovieTheme]

Have to disagree, also:



It's nice to see people noticed.

Of course you disagree!

 

[bionic77]

Isn't it strange how the best QBs always seem to have the best receivers

This is true.

Isn't it weird how Tammy can't make any wide receivers household names anymore?

 

[cdyhybrid]

Gronk's pretty good, but he's no Tony Moeaki.

 

[Mackenzie 92]

Have to disagree, also:



It's nice to see people noticed.

He's a great player for sure, but different positions and situations and he struggled at times.


Mack

Mosley

 

[bionic77]

Just need to beat Baltimore and he should almost certainly be good to go for Denver.

He should be ready to go against Denver but Bell is not going to decide who wins that game.

It is going to be Mannings body.

If we get gimp Manning (the one that has been playing for the Broncos for the past month of so) we have a great shot of winning that game. I mean fucking Andy Dalton outplayed the gimp in a night game! If we get a healthy Manning I don't think we can beat the Broncos with out garbo defense.

Hopefully Indy finally beats NE on the other side of the bracket and we get a safe AFC Championship where no one loses no matter who wins.

 

[Alligatorjandro]

This is true.

Isn't it weird how Tammy can't make any wide receivers household names anymore?

Pretty sure he made Edelman and Lafell pretty good this year.

If your wife actually let you watch football you would know.

 

[Bread]

Gronk's pretty good, but he's no Tony Moeaki.

:jnc

i remember having this debate with a chiefs fan once.

 

[Draxal]

Barnwell writes a whole column using QBR? Didn't that guy used to pretend to be legit?

He always pretended but all football metrics sites are pure garbage.

 

[BigAT]

Borland was the best defensive rookie this year

 

[FrenchMovieTheme]

He's a great player for sure, but different positions and situations and he struggled at times.


Mack

Mosley

Now put both of these jokers against borland for the same weeks played

 

[jbug617]

Sucks that Bell is out.

 

[Buckethead]

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Party like it's 1995

 

[bionic77]

Pretty sure he made Edelman and Lafell pretty good this year.

If your wife actually let you watch football you would know.

She must always change the channel everytime they have hooked up for passes more than 15 yards!

 

[Alligatorjandro]

She must always change the channel everytime they have hooked up for passes more than 15 yards!

Did you forget that 80 yard pass he threw against the steelers last year.

 

[Dragon]

She must always change the channel everytime they have hooked up for passes more than 15 yards!

The fact you're losing an argument to Gata should tell you you need to step away my man!

 

[TheFatOne]

cough.....cough....

LOL He's not even as good as Mike Vrabel as a TE.

 

[Bowser]

AJ Green officially listed as doubtful.

And now my Cincy +10.5 teaser pick doesn't look as tasty as it did on Monday :/

 

[jbug617]

AJ Green listed as doubtful for Sunday.

 

[BaltimoreLarry]

Now put both of these jokers against borland for the same weeks played

Are we only counting Borland against the run? Because he was trash in coverage.

 

[Duxxy3]

Bell is out. Well that blows, because that means the Ravens will be visiting the Pats next week. Was hoping to avoid the AFC north teams if possible.

 

[MechDX]

AJ Green officially listed as doubtful.

And now my Cincy +10.5 teaser pick doesn't look as tasty as it did on Monday :/

Colts secondary and pass rush is almost non existent. Control Hilton and you control the Colts offense.

Bell is out. Well that blows, because that means the Ravens will be visiting the Pats next week. Was hoping to avoid the AFC north teams if possible.

Ben vs. the Ravens secondary is like Gata vs common sense. Seriously lopsided.

 

[TheFatOne]

He single handedly saved Lady's career, so yeah. definitely best TE in football and probably second on my MVP ballot.

Agree 100%

 

[bionic77]

Did you forget that 80 yard pass he threw against the steelers last year.

Thats very admirable that Tammy can still get it done against one of the 3 worst pass defenses in the league!

The same defense that Hoyer lit up for like 20 points in 10 minutes!

 

[BaltimoreLarry]

Why do people think Bell being out change things for this game? Seriously, three people at work have already come to me saying this, you all are saying this, am I missing something? Is Roethlisberger out? Did Jimmy Smith get healthy? Antonio Brown hurt? If anything, they'll just be passing more. I stand by what I said earlier, if our pass rush gets going, and Joe Flacco goes crazy, we can win in a shootout. If not, it's going to playoff records galore for Ben.

 

[Shamrock7r]

2 days away! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQV4HISN5LI

 

[Alligatorjandro]

Thats very admirable that Tammy can still get it done against one of the 3 worst pass defenses in the league!

The same defense that Hoyer lit up for like 20 points in 10 minutes!

I hope we get to play the steelers this year

 

[bionic77]

I hope we get to play the steelers this year

You are dumber than I thought.

The Steelers are one of the few AFC teams that could give the Pats problem (assuming Peyton really is dead for the season).

Why do people think Bell being out change things for this game? Seriously, three people at work have already come to me saying this, you all are saying this, am I missing something? Is Roethlisberger out? Did Jimmy Smith get healthy? Antonio Brown hurt? If anything, they'll just be passing more. I stand by what I said earlier, if our pass rush gets going, and Joe Flacco goes crazy, we can win in a shootout. If not, it's going to playoff records galore for Ben.

That would be so nice.

I don't think I have been happy inside since the helmet catch!

 

[Dutch Gronk]

Girls are the absolute worst

 

[shadyspace]

Girls are the absolute worst

Yes that show sucks.

 

[Mackenzie 92]

Now put both of these jokers against borland for the same weeks played

Not too shabby.

 

[Duxxy3]

Ben vs. the Ravens secondary is like Gata vs common sense. Seriously lopsided.

Playoff flacco ain't no joke. Ben will have to put up almost 40, without the help of a running game.

If the steelers lose tomorrow they can blame it on a single personnel move - dumping blount for nothing.

 

[Dutch Gronk]

Gonna send Jimmy an email, he probably knows what to do.

 

[Alligatorjandro]

You are dumber than I thought.

The Steelers are one of the few AFC teams that could give the Pats problem (assuming Peyton really is dead for the season).


That would be so nice.

I don't think I have been happy inside since the helmet catch!

Who on the steelers would cover Gronk