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Obviously. As evidenced by Stafford throwing for 5000 yards and going absolutely no where, all the while taking fewing sacks, throwing fewer TDs and more INTs than Bradford, with the best receiver in the game to put up a truckton of garbage yards...
But good on you for realizing the Lions are on the fast-track to no where
I like the Lions and their fans. I think they are poorly coached, and I'm not much of a Suh fan, but Stafford has talent that just needs to be reined in. Won't go anywhere until Linehan and Schwartz (and maybe Mayhew) are replaced.
Some interesting stuff about the Rams:
-Only two players over 30
-Only 15 players remain from Spags era
-44 of 59 players on roster are 25 or younger
-26 of 32 players on offense are 25 or younger
-11 of 12 RBs, TEs and WRs are 25 or younger (Cook is 26)
First time in forever that the offense has a chance to do more than just try and survive. If they did it right, they can be good for many years, and it will be for cheap. A lot falls on Bradford. If he isn't up to it then they will replace him after the year, in a QB rich draft where they have 2 first round picks
Some interesting stuff about the Rams:
-Only two players over 30
-Only 15 players remain from Spags era
-44 of 59 players on roster are 25 or younger
-26 of 32 players on offense are 25 or younger
-11 of 12 RBs, TEs and WRs are 25 or younger (Cook is 26)
First time in forever that the offense has a chance to do more than just try and survive. If they did it right, they can be good for many years, and it will be for cheap. A lot falls on Bradford. If he isn't up to it then they will replace him after the year, in a QB rich draft where they have 2 first round picks
Wellington
BAAAALLLINNN'
Surprised that the Rams did not go with a Tackle.
The team I think just nailed the draft was Jacksonville. I don't think the have the QB there, but they have acquired so many potentially good skill players that the rookie next year will step right in and succeed. Smart not to waste a pick on a QB that probably would be no better than Henne
They said were going to use the 3rd round pick they eventually used on Bailey on Terron Armstead, but NOLA got him first. I think they wanted to trade Saffold but could never find any takers. So he'll play RT for the season and they'll go from there.
I didn't love the draft. Hate the McDonald pick. Poor man's Taylor Mays. They also took Barrett Jones, which they admitted was a pick with an eye towards interior depth more than a starter. But they couldn't have worked the first round better, and I like Bailey.
They said were going to use the 3rd round pick they eventually used on Bailey on Terron Armstead, but NOLA got him first. I think they wanted to trade Saffold but could never find any takers. So he'll play RT for the season and they'll go from there.
I didn't love the draft. Hate the McDonald pick. Poor man's Taylor Mays. They also took Barrett Jones, which they admitted was a pick with an eye towards interior depth more than a starter. But they couldn't have worked the first round better, and I like Bailey.
Wellington
BAAAALLLINNN'
Saffold ended up going to the pro bowl in our Madden 13 league, so there is hope that he turns it around. ;p
I'm concerned over the Raiders QB situation. Who's the starter? Matt Flynn?
Anyway, Vernon is the type of player that will go across the middle, catch the ball, get blasted and still hold on for the 1st down. He will be a good fit depending on the system.
lol. As a Steelers fan I thought the same thing when they drafted him. One of the more baffling prospects to ever get his tires pumped. Tombert kept harping on his tape, but it's pretty clear on tape that the majority of his sacks came when he was allowed to run free. Kid is terrible at getting off blocks and takes terrible angles. The Auburn tape is especially damning, got stuffed all day long by a sophomore TE. Not to mention all of his work out numbers would have put him in the bottom 2 of all LB prospects at the combine. Had an acid flashback to the Huey Richardson pick.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
I see the beginnings of a Lions-Rams GAF alliance.
B For Bendetta
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Any word on the kicker we picked up as an UDFA squicken? Did placekicking and punting in school but doesn't seem to have the range of Zuerlein or the arm of Hekker. He just a camp body brought in for some competition or is there something we like about him?
B For Bendetta
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You haven't murdered me in DayZ so you cannot be my archnemisis.
Squicken is now a lions fan.
He had his keys taken away in high school by his dad cause he couldn't stop driving drunk. He claims it was a wake-up call.
l heard that interview....well he is right, Sparano sucks at coaching and Harbaugh turned out pretty good. lol
The_Darkest_Red
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Missing out on Harbaugh really sucked at the time, and it definitely had an impact on Sparano. It's nice to be going in a more positive direction these days but it's easy to say that before the team has played a game or two.
BlackGhost
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This is the time of optimism my friend.
AngmarsKing701
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Welp the draft is over. Hard to believe we're still 4+ months away from the season starting.
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The_Darkest_Red
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You got that right. Unbridled optimism. I'd actually be shocked if the Browns and Dolphins don't make it to the AFCCG after these killer offseasons.
Baltimore Ravens A-
Cincinnatti Bengals A-
St. Louis Rams A-
San Diego Chargers B+
Green Bay Packers B+
Philadelphia Eagles B+
Jacksonville Jaguars B+
Tennessee Titans B+
Houston Texans B
Kansas City Chiefs B
Tampa Bay Buccaneers B
Arizona Cardinals B
Minnesota Vikings B
Pittsburgh Steelers B
Atlanta Falcons B
San Francisco 49ers B
Seattle Seahawks B
New York Jets B
New Orleans Saints B
Detroit Lions B
Miami Dolphins B-
Denver Broncos B-
Oakland Raiders B-
Cleveland Browns C+
Indianapolis Colts C+
New York Giants C+
New England Patriots C+
Dallas Cowboys C+
Chicago Bears C+
Washington Redskins C+
Carolina Panthers C+
Buffalo Bills C-
Cincinnatti Bengals A-
St. Louis Rams A-
San Diego Chargers B+
Green Bay Packers B+
Philadelphia Eagles B+
Jacksonville Jaguars B+
Tennessee Titans B+
Houston Texans B
Kansas City Chiefs B
Tampa Bay Buccaneers B
Arizona Cardinals B
Minnesota Vikings B
Pittsburgh Steelers B
Atlanta Falcons B
San Francisco 49ers B
Seattle Seahawks B
New York Jets B
New Orleans Saints B
Detroit Lions B
Miami Dolphins B-
Denver Broncos B-
Oakland Raiders B-
Cleveland Browns C+
Indianapolis Colts C+
New York Giants C+
New England Patriots C+
Dallas Cowboys C+
Chicago Bears C+
Washington Redskins C+
Carolina Panthers C+
Buffalo Bills C-
FrenchMovieTheme
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sucks for the dolphins that they couldn't get a once-in-a-generation coach like harbs. they would be ruling the AFC East with an iron fist right now just as the niners rule the NFC West with one.
lesson learned ross: you can't buy a man of integrity like harbs!
lesson learned ross: you can't buy a man of integrity like harbs!
yankeehater
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Mary Kay Cabot ‏@MaryKayCabot #Browns CEO Banner helped draft Foles. Don't know yet if he'd be interested
Yes please.
Yes please.
Only question mark for the Giants draft was the pick for Nassib. Hopefully this go 'round they stick with him and give him 2-3 seasons of work. They gave up on Andre Woodson and Rhett Bomar fairly fast.
Other than that they've built up the OL and DL, which was sorely needed. They didn't go CB which is a bit surprising since Reese loves picking corners. I read they did not covet the names at #19, although since Hayden was gone they might've went in that direction if available.
Other than that they've built up the OL and DL, which was sorely needed. They didn't go CB which is a bit surprising since Reese loves picking corners. I read they did not covet the names at #19, although since Hayden was gone they might've went in that direction if available.
I've got the Dolphins winning back to back Super Bowls after this off-season
BlackGhost
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Da fuck? You following Browns beat writers now? You tryna take this beef to whole new levels brah!
Edit: but really I'd almost add anyone to the Qb comp, I thought eagles gaf liked Foles last season?
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Beat EviLore at pool.
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CriginsMcJuggs
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCdFFFAxLz0
I've been thinking about the Rams taking both the WVU receivers, and can't quite figure out the logic. Austin will be great, but I don't understand taking Bailey. Bailey is a possession receiver with great hands and OK speed, but he's only 5'10. 5'10 is slot receiver height in the NFL, not an outside receiver. It's extra perplexing when you consider seattle in their division with two corners over six foot. I love Bailey, but I just don't see where he fits in the NFL.
CriginsMcJuggs
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Same reason a dude with that kind of speed wasnt even a starter in college
Yeah teams always carry an extra kicker at camp. Just in case of injuries and to save the leg of the vet during camp drills
Which was? Too small? I dunno always find a role for someone that kind of speed
darkside31337
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http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2013/playmaker-score-2013
I'll be honest I never really got the Tavon Austin love (although I wouldn't have minded if the Jets drafted him because it gives me a reason to watch). He's a ridiculously undersized receiver whose playmaking ability has been overstated, at least it wasn't showing up in college to the point to merit a top 10 selection. History is definitely not on his side.
Time for a Lions draft wrap-up! Changes from last year plus new additions! Not including undrafted free agents.
QB: Stafford
WR: Megatron, Burleson, Broyles,Young Sr., about 40 others
RB: Bush, Leshoure, Bell, Riddick
TE: Pettigrew, Scheffler, Williams
RG:Peterman, Warford, Austin, Nagy, Gandy
RT:Cherilus, Hilliard or Fox
C: Raiola
LT:Backus, Reiff
LG: Sims
Riddick perhaps makes special teams contributions, including returning punts. Supposedly Bush-like, which leaves the Lions with Bush, Bell, and Riddick all having the same style. The offensive line looks brand new. Warford is supposed to bring far more in the run blocking game than the released Peterman, who was the weakest link of Detroit's offensive line last year. Austin, Nagy and Gandy will all fight for the spot as well, or push Raiola at C. Reiff was drafted as the LT of the future and started there last year in Backus' absence. We of Lions-GAF hoped for Fischer and Reiff being on the team allowing Reiff to take over the RT and having a solid inside line, but we'll now have to settle for Hilliard, a long-time backup, or Fox, oft-injured, taking over at RT. The offensive line might be bolstered by the addition of Michael Williams at TE, who will replace the Lions former blocking TE Will Heller. I know Drew Sharp of the Detroit Free Press is sad about the Lions missing out on Denard Robinson...but I don't think he or doctors have proven that he'll be able to catch or hold onto a football.
DE:Avril, vandenBosch, Ansah, Young, Taylor, Lewis, Jones
DT: Suh, Fairley
OLB: Levy,Durant, Palmer, Whitehead
MLB: Tulloch
CB: Houston, Slay, Bentley, Green, Greenwood, Black
FS: Quin, Spievey
SS: Delmas
The Lions are replacing Avril who still believes he is the best DE in the NFL and vandenBosch who got real old. Thus the DEs are brand new with Ansah projected to be a project by projectionists. Young had a let down after being super efficient the year before, and Taylor was taken for his size and pass rushing skills. The interior remains the same, as do the linebackers aside from the departure of Durant. The Lions return starter Houston at CB, plus three second year CBs. The addition of Slay creates lots of competition for the second starting spot, perhaps bolstering the Lions nickle spot as well as depth chart. A first in nearly a decade. Spievey has been up and down since converting to Safety from CB. He was on the up and up until a concussion against the Saints in the playoffs and hasn't seemed to recover. Quin shores that spot up next to Delmas, provided Delmas can stay healthy for more than five games.
K:Hanson, Akers, Kickalicious
P:Harris, Clingan, Martin
LS: Muhlbach
The Lions apparently want none of their new specialists to feel like the job has been handed to them, taking on two new players in each position.
QB: Stafford
WR: Megatron, Burleson, Broyles,
RB: Bush, Leshoure, Bell, Riddick
TE: Pettigrew, Scheffler, Williams
RG:
RT:
C: Raiola
LT:
LG: Sims
Riddick perhaps makes special teams contributions, including returning punts. Supposedly Bush-like, which leaves the Lions with Bush, Bell, and Riddick all having the same style. The offensive line looks brand new. Warford is supposed to bring far more in the run blocking game than the released Peterman, who was the weakest link of Detroit's offensive line last year. Austin, Nagy and Gandy will all fight for the spot as well, or push Raiola at C. Reiff was drafted as the LT of the future and started there last year in Backus' absence. We of Lions-GAF hoped for Fischer and Reiff being on the team allowing Reiff to take over the RT and having a solid inside line, but we'll now have to settle for Hilliard, a long-time backup, or Fox, oft-injured, taking over at RT. The offensive line might be bolstered by the addition of Michael Williams at TE, who will replace the Lions former blocking TE Will Heller. I know Drew Sharp of the Detroit Free Press is sad about the Lions missing out on Denard Robinson...but I don't think he or doctors have proven that he'll be able to catch or hold onto a football.
DE:
DT: Suh, Fairley
OLB: Levy,
MLB: Tulloch
CB: Houston, Slay, Bentley, Green, Greenwood, Black
FS: Quin, Spievey
SS: Delmas
The Lions are replacing Avril who still believes he is the best DE in the NFL and vandenBosch who got real old. Thus the DEs are brand new with Ansah projected to be a project by projectionists. Young had a let down after being super efficient the year before, and Taylor was taken for his size and pass rushing skills. The interior remains the same, as do the linebackers aside from the departure of Durant. The Lions return starter Houston at CB, plus three second year CBs. The addition of Slay creates lots of competition for the second starting spot, perhaps bolstering the Lions nickle spot as well as depth chart. A first in nearly a decade. Spievey has been up and down since converting to Safety from CB. He was on the up and up until a concussion against the Saints in the playoffs and hasn't seemed to recover. Quin shores that spot up next to Delmas, provided Delmas can stay healthy for more than five games.
K:
P:
LS: Muhlbach
The Lions apparently want none of their new specialists to feel like the job has been handed to them, taking on two new players in each position.
CriginsMcJuggs
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Shit I dunno lol. Kid with that speed in COLLEGE should be burning everyone.
Seems like they were trying to go with BPA as per their own evaluations. They got a lot of good value in the later rounds and that would explain the lack of D Lineman.
CriginsMcJuggs
Member
Ive watched all of Tavon's games the last 3 years(WVU student). I can promise you his playmaking is not overstated, the kid is a beast. Never missed a practice here, he's small but he's tough.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
I have no idea but Id like to hear some of the aftermath. You posted links before but I was on mobile and it wasnt connecting very well. Can you post links again?
If he was still posting on Gaf none of this would have happened. Clearly the Vikings saw his lack of commitment and were forced to make some moves.
47th selection Mike Nugent
No offense to you, but lists like this are such horseshit. I would love for someone to go back and evaluate a teams draft choices after the average career length and grade them. Lists like that just make me laugh because there is no real basis of what is good or bad, just Kiper's "expert" opinion which is usually pretty far off.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
Yes and that pick was a disaster, the Jets sucked and the GM got fired a year later.
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