And yet, there was actually a boycott campaign against Play-Asia, as I already showed. For there to be no outrage, then there we wouldn't have seen any attempts to mobilize a boycott.
Cool, so the side that resorted to doxxing.
Yeah but i don't think the "punch a nazi" line was meant for those originally. When a liberal says "punch a nazi" he really means "punch that guy who i say is a nazi".
No, there wasn't. Again, you are gullible.
Nope. There was no side who resorted to doxxing. You are confused with right wings sites like Voat or lolcow.
lol, like Horrizon? Uncharted 4? TloU remaster? Oh, people called GoW SJW too, does that count too?
Ad hominem attack and Proof of Assertion. Please prove to me that the archived Tumblr boycott campaign is not a boycott campaign.
The person who doxxed the CDPR employee is from ERA. Nothing to do with Voat.
I don't get it. Why use that specific phrase that everyone knows is used as a means to use violence against those with different opinions? And in a game where you kill nazis? Isn't that a bit "tone deaf"?
Prove me that it was effective, widesprean and a major impact. You understand on the Internet this happens every second? That's why I called you gullible. You basically think any tumblr post can be taken seriously because it feeds your narrative.
So a person doxxed him? Very interesting. You said a side did. Show me the liberal, coordinated attack against this person that involves multiple people and it's approved by the majiority of liberals. I'm waiting.
Who called GoW SJW? All I remember were the usual journalists trying to make GoW political because it " Gets rid of toxic masculinity"
Strawman fallacy. Your original claim was that there as no boycott. "No boycott" means absolutely no one mobilized a boycott campaign. The archive I provided proved that there was a person on Tumblr who tried to run one, which disproves your claim. Sorry, but that is how basic logic works.
Can't find the original tweet that screenshot the original post since the post is no longer in the forum. However, this YouTuber shows it at 3:57. Other YouTubers have covered this issue, too.
Another strawman fallacy. For you to ask me to prove that there was a liberal, coordinated attack, I would have already claimed it earlier. I said a side doxxed the CDPR employee. That side the the people who were offended by the joke. I also didn't claim that it's approved by the majority of liberals. This is yet another strawman.
One is used as a joke. The other isn't.
Doesn't change that the doxxing from that side happened. It also debunks the notion of equivalence of outrage from both sides since the the group of people who liked the joke didn't resort to doxxing.
All those folks proclaiming they won't buy the game or they see the game in a different light are literally irrelevant. Its 0.1% of 0.1% of 0.1% making a big deal out of it. Its just empty outrage, nothing more. Because if they actually meant what they would say, then you would see it in the sales.
Here is a chart from 2015 to see how much this outrage influences sales:
Its literally a very vague blip on the radar as the biggest factors are Story/Premise, Price and Word of Mouth.
The last one is especially interesting, as it begs the question: Will people who are this outraged on the web, tell others about it in real life (Say, family, friends, randoms)? - I am sure a few will, but most folks likely won't know what the issue is about, won't know what (in this case) Cyberpunk is about, and i am sure a group of people also does not really care what friend/cousin/random Adam has to say about this game (For the aforementioned reasons).
Conclusion: All this outrage, all these threats on boycotting a game/not buying a game/saying you won't buy a game because of reason X is just hollow in nature for the most part. Those 3% will literally be nothing for any big game and game developer to worry about. It will just be seen as collateral damage.
And that's all it really is.
The joke exists because demanding from others to guess your chosen gender and proceed to get offended if they don't is unreasonable. It has nothing to do with bigotry.
Well this just shows that you didn't actually read the entirety of my previous posts since I also said that the mod team was complicit of the doxxing (i.e. the person was not banned whereas other people were banned for far less severe reasons) and the large userbase of ERA possibly means a lot of members over there supported the action.
If it's "some cases" then the outrage of both sides are not equivalent because the condition of equivalence can only be met if all cases are equivalent. There's nothing in between 'equivalent' and 'not equivalent'.
Not related to the topic of the thread.
Remember Mortal Kombat? That caused huge outrage and nearly led to a total ban on games. And then there’s Geralts philandering in the Witcher games. A huge part of the games industry is freedom of artistic expression.
You are fully wrong. That game was not made because Rockstar Games was pandering to a certain group or forced to do so. They wanted to create a game about the 90's hood culture (for a part), and made the best GTA til date IMO. Black characters were not forced in just for diversity's sake, it was a story about them, period. It would have been really weird if we had played as a white character. If only they remade that game with a modern engine...
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. There are many new YouTube and Twitter personalities that are getting popular by being anti-SJW and looking for the people that others say are "outraged". They are getting their numbers up too by labeling themselves the "protectors of pure gaming" while creating a narrative that says if you have a big problem with something in a game that has a political slate, you are a snowflake, SJW, and outraged argh!
You gotta be careful
Just be careful not to fall for the trap.
I understand, but my point is that you can't compare these, because the concerns today are legit when you have such things like AC Odyssey including a woman spartan warrior just for diversity's sake. I'm not against playing as a woman, I played and enjoyed games where the main character was a woman but in those cases it was natural, here it seems wrong. And I would still feel the same if for example people forced the developers to play as a male version of Lara Croft in the next TR.You gotta be careful
Just be careful not to fall for the trap.
You missed the point. I agree that Rockstar didn't create that game to pander to a certain group. But there were MANY people that did honestly believe that. I agree that black characters were not forced in and I also think it's still the best GTA to date like you. I and many others made the exact same point you just made about GTA 3: SA, yet there was a large set of people (on GAF too) that wasn't having that. They didn't believe us.
Forward to today and you'll see the same stuff, except this time it's not GTA3: SA.
You have the right to defend yourself. Not start shit.
According to the dictionaries, equivalent means equal in value which does mean 100% the same. And the definitions of dictionaries are dependent on how words are used in everyday conversation. This is from the Oxford Dictionary's FAQ:
And here is the relevant portion from Merriam-Webster's FAQ:
You do not know what you're talking about.
The trailer was not a joke whereas the tweet that a CDPR employee made was a joke. Did you even read the article? The OP even quoted this portion of the article (emphasis on certain words are mine):
I would also like to add that you have veered so far away from your original theses that you are now only arguing for the sake of it. None of your responses to me actually address the counterpoints I presented from about a day and a half ago.
