The problem i see with your complains is that they are been made outside of any game desing considerations.
Everything is "sluggish, slow, loose" because it needs to be in benefit of the palyer. The navigation is based around physcis simulations with the players creating and manipulating objects in realtime, this has the potential to create a vast amount of scenarios that could brake the system down. There needs to be a margin of error and "loseness" to acomodate things, specially for online multiplayer.
Not your favorite meal? No problem, but there are design reasons for the game to be like that.
Sure, but I'd argue the game is actually more straight-forward then you are suggesting. There's almost a bit of an identity crisis going on where the game has the basic framework to be this physical sandbox you are making it out to be but then fails (or decides against) realising that premise. And it's that kind of framework that is not known to be that great to begin with for things like character movement. I'm sure you would agree that, if put into a more neutral tone, the statement of physics-y games being very much about floatiness and looseness would hold true (think first-person PC games, LBP, etc.) - and you might well be right that it's not my cup of tea, exactly, *but* I can still try and make a case for why I think it doesn't work in Trine 2.
You are looking to much into it. Is basically the "room by room" lay out of many puzzle games chained by a thematically cohesive level presentation.
Sure, I was just saying that I don't think it is pulled off particularly well. And granted, that is largely a repercussion of the movement being what it is. If you were given a Bobby Car, you probably wouldn't look forward to driving on a dirt track with it.
i know i made a desccription of both games in a previous post. But did you read what was the original comparison to Captain Toad?
It was about perceived value of the product vs price of entry. That was all. Notice how i haven't made any assessment in what game i think is better or which i prefer.
Well, that's a point we fundamentally differ on, then. I can talk about value (aka quality) but price is really a non-category for me. Trine 2 could be a buck and I would still recommend Captain Toad over it any day of the week because the former is heavily flawed while the latter is a great game. But ok, we don't have to pursue this line of discussion.
Lost Viking is a good comparison. Yet beyond the surface Lost Viking works differently, is not physics based and doesn't acomodate much of emergent gameplay the way Trine does.
Why do you think Captain Toad feels new and fresh? It's kind of interesting when we had many discussions about something like Toki Tori in this Nintendo Downloads threads.
While I do think CT feels fresh (for the simple reason that we have not seen many games like it before), my main point was lost due to poor phrasing on my part, so apologies. I was just trying to say that the games are very different and that I wouldn't consider them to be of the same ilk, in any fashion. They only thing they have in common is the puzzle aspect, something they share with millions of other games. I really can't think of any similarities beyond that, at all.
daydreaming & TheMoon; is it viable to create a second NNID/Europe acct so you can play games like these that don't spring for German ratings?
Yeah, like Muwando said, it is not an option.
I don't even know what's more annoying in all of this, region locking/restrictions or game exclusivity. I guess the second one will always persist while Nintendo could easily do away with the first one.
I'm sorry, I'm not trying to poke fun - those two responses in a row like that just made me laugh, imagining them.
That's fine. It is a rather comical state of affairs, after all.
