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[blue_phazon]

Nintendo is avoiding E3 BECAUSE it is an important event. They don't want to share media coverage real-estate with all the other announcements.

It'll make more sense to do a big NX reveal in the fall, where they'll be the only thing headlining every video game site.

Of course, they are definitely going to make directs for upcoming games coming this year (like pokemon) later. Maybe in the summer

 

[brandonh83]

Zelda is actually all the games

True.

Nintendo is avoiding E3 BECAUSE it is an important event. They don't want to share media coverage real-estate with all the other announcements.

Stop being rational. This is not the thread for that shit.

 

[openrob]

But what if Zelda is amazing?

 

[Nerrel]

 

[Whompa02]

Another thrilling year for Nintendo...

 

[MoogleWizard]

The PS4 was revealed like 9 months before it went on sale. E3 is 9 months before their March 2017 date. I don't really understand why they aren't revealing this thing at E3. If your new console is going to be overshadowed by an updated console with better specs then it is time to get out of the game. Shows a complete lack of confidence in your product.

Maybe they want to reveal their new system at their own event? I'd welcome it. Why do they have to reveal it in June, why not August, September, November? I'm tired of this over reliance on one media event and hope the big 3 will start to move away from that. I'm also tired of gaming companies announcing stuff so far in advance. 9 months is almost a year. 6 or even 3 months is fine by me. And then the game announcements. Look at last years E3. All these " amazing" announcements, Last Guardian, FFVIIR, Shenmue. One year later, it's already the next E3. How many of these games can we play now? 0.

 

[moltonasty]

I'm trying to understand this move, but I just can't. It's not like they don't have other games coming out this year...it's a rough time to be a Nintendo fan that's for sure

 

[SunBroDave]

I don't see why they need a direct. They will host their own event when the time is right.
Don't see why an announcement should happen almost one year before the release.

Many know what happens showing tbeir games to early. They also want to be sure the idea will not be used by their competitors. I would probably do the same thing. Maybe even not showing zelda. Because it's better they show the nx version.

You...Can't possibly believe that.

 

[Vena]

I've seen off-hand comments on a few forums about there being issues, including one here about a mix-up causing a delay in manufacturing. We also had rumors about a staggered launch not long ago. If that was ever true, it was likely due to 14nmFF yields (yes, I'm not giving up on 14nm or Polaris yet) limiting lunch supply and ultimately leading to Nintendo delaying it worldwide to maximize supply. On the other hand, the mix-up might explain a lack of units ready for E3... maybe.

The mix-up doesn't really explain the E3 delay directly, its not like they were making the E3 units just now.

A delay on hardware would change their anticipated launch, though, so they may simply want a concise marketing campaign, and if that puts them outside of E3 then it puts them outside of E3.

They wasted a ton of money on E3 this year, though, for that floor space. Its almost guaranteed that something went to shit last minute (and wasn't some change of plans that they had planned for months but pulled out just now). If that AMD/GloFo thing is indeed the source, its going to be a funny run up to reveal.

 

[Kurt]

Maybe we get a zelda wii u demo for the holidays.

 

[Velcro Fly]

With livestreaming of almost everything, I don't know how people can make the argument it isn't as big. It is more accessible now than ever before to a lot more people. That in itself means it is bigger.

 

[DarkChronic]

I feel like I'm one of the very (very) few people who thinks this move makes sense.

Feels almost like a reboot.

Spoiler

The Nintendo

 

[pringles]

I'm pretty sure it's much bigger now than it's ever been.

Which isn't really important. What's important is that these days it's so easy to create an event of your own that you stream live to the entire world with 100% of the focus on YOU and your product. Of course E3 is huge with lots of viewers. But anyone who thinks it has the same status as it did 10 years ago is delusional.

Doesn't mean it's great for nintendo to 'skip' it, but it really isn't the dealbreaker people think. Once they create their own event and start hyping that up, all will be forgotten (if they have a good reveal).

 

[AlexMeloche]

What.

They still have plenty of 3DS stuff releasing, why no Direct for that? This sucks, I never cared for Zelda. :/

 

[-Horizon-]

I'm not gonna say E3 is losing its importance or anything like that but I remember someone posting here on gaf that E3 is actually smaller in comparison to Gamescom I think it was.

 

[Henkka]

The week of E3 is the most important marketing opportunity of the year. All eyes are on the gaming industry this week, even including many people outside the industry.

Sure, but at E3 they'll be competing for headlines against PS4K and possibly Xbox 1.5.

I think it's probably smarter to do a dedicated event for NX. That's what Sony and MS did, worked out pretty well. Wii U was revealed at E3, didn't work out so well.

 

[theechrisfox]

But what if Zelda is amazing?

The landscape of the games industry will change. Oops, its not 1985.

 

[atr0cious]

You're being obtuse because you pointed to dialogue at the opening as the thing that sets Zelda games apart from Souls games, even though every Souls game starts out with a narrated cutscene and is full of dialogue. You're coming at this from a very weird and troll-ish manner.

I quoted this guy saying:

I've always thought that the core method of interaction and gameplay is how titles should be compared, yes. That's how genres are formed or should be formed.

You do not do speech bubbles in souls games, plot is set dressing, and I'm pretty sure they don't have a single puzzle. But yea, I'm obtuse, because that one rare fight that uses basic ai is totally souls. Zelda II is the only Zelda similar to souls.

 

[AniHawk]

okay. now i think this is a terrible decision. why they think it's perfectly fine to ignore the 3ds is beyond me. the game has a bunch of third-party stuff slated for this year and a really big first-party game at the end of it.

and an all-day zelda stream about the only game at your booth seems like the quickest way to make people lose interest in following things you have to say after maybe an hour at most.

 

[LordRaptor]

I'm trying to understand this move, but I just can't. It's not like they don't have other games coming out this year...it's a rough time to be a Nintendo fan that's for sure

They're trying to teach people the difference between not having a live conference and not being at E3 I guess

 

[FleetingFlowAir]

I feel bad for Kirby Planet Robobot. That game is likely going to be the next 3DS gem and Nintendo is ignoring it despite it releasing mid-June.

It'll be bad if there's no May Direct and the one in March was the only exposure it got.

 

[KingSnake]

The fuck are you talking about? I stated things as a matter of observation. I was addressing the idea of "having nothing to show" which is illogical to consider in the face of the reality of development cycles. Unless the NX isn't launching until 2018 because they scrapped everything, they have things they can show but they have decided not to for whatever reason they have.

Calm down and read. I didn't say that NX is vaporware. I said that something happened that delayed the whole timeline with at least 4 months. And obviously they can't show NX now or in June. That doesn't mean the hardware doesn't exist, but rather that either there are still some pending decisions on it that would impact what they show or they needed to rethink something related to it (could be anything, like the controller or whatever). They can't show a prototype of the controller for example for the reveal, they need to show the final one. There are a lot of small things that can go wrong an impact that. Or medium things like clock speeds and such.

So relax and take a deep breath, because I never said that NX doesn't exist or it's dead. Just that something must have happened.

 

[CronoShot]

Sure, but at E3 they'll be competing for headlines against PS4K and possibly Xbox 1.5.

I think it's probably smarter to do a dedicated event for NX. That's what Sony and MS did, worked out pretty well. Wii U was revealed at E3, didn't work out so well.

That's because they confused everyone by constantly calling it a 'controller' and not even showing the actual console.

 

[brandonh83]

I feel like I'm one of the very (very) few people who thinks this move makes sense.

It does make sense, and it doesn't really matter. Nintendo will show Zelda at E3. It'll look damn good. Then when they reveal the NX and some games people will forget about this. It'll have its own hype and then no one will give a shit about how they approached E3 back in June.

 

[MuchoMalo]

For starters, make a MyNintendo account. This service will be central to the NX experience, notice how overly simplified the interface is, how front and centre your Mii and its cute sounds/animations are. I think people are being intentionally blind because the casual/mobile direction is against their wishes. Just take a step back and observe what Nintendo has actually been doing lately: AC Amiibos, AC home decoration spinoff, AC festival. Various experiments with f2p models on 3DS, such as the badge arcade game. Look at the recent 3D Mario with all the rabbit chasing and funny goomba outfits. The freaking theme of Tri Force Heroes is some lady robbed the kingdom of its sense of fashion and her main weapon is an umbrella, we're talking about their most "epic" franchise here. Wake up

So, you're opinion is that NX will be 100% focused on Blue Ocean and bringing back the Wii audience? Well, that'll last at least two months before before being dropped and going 100% mobile. Something like that would flop worse than Ouya and Virtual Boy for sure.

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

Heh. What there going to spoil half of the game?

That's s fear, hope it's as vast as it seemingly will be.
As for a a Direct, it doesn't bother me at all because it would be like a normal Direct or worse without showing NX stuff.

 

[Dark Cloud]

I hope Nintendo has a Nintendo Direct this month for the 3DS games if they don't plan on showing them at all at E3.

 

[Tatsumi Oga]

Even under the most ideal of circumstances, these decisions make literally 0 sense from a business perspective unless there is something absolutely MONSTROUS going on behind the scenes with EITHER Zelda or NX itself that is a positive for either of the two.

Otherwise, they are just strictly bad decisions under any scenario.

I've been watching Nintendo for enough decades to know that it is rare for Nintendo to have a true master plan in place. I'm pretty sure they are just bad decisions.

I see, yeah that doesn't sound good then. So much for believing the new president would actually turn things around for the better. So far we've seen nothing of it.

Nintendo status: doomed until further notice

Shit i guess......their silence on the NX information sure doesn't help. People in general expected them to reveal it at E3 and rightfully so, it would make the most sense. At the end of the day though, Reggie last year did say they would TALK about NX next year. But he also said that right at the start of their digital E3 show, of course people are going to expect a NX reveal for E3 then.

A great friend of mine, a huge Nintendo fan, always positive about them mostly...has currently lost all faith in them too. Boy was he hyped for the NX. I can understand the disappointment, it just sucks we still have no clear idea wtf this NX even is, if its specs are something to be happy about etc. Sigh.

 

[Anth0ny]

It's actually both. Nintendo should have a greater presence at E3 in an ideal world where the NX was ready, which it clearly isn't. But the long term trend is that E3 has been diminishing in importance since it's peak, and that will continue as Video Games more closely emulate the larger entertainment industry with independent events and social marketing.

I have a very hard time believing Nintendo has NOTHING to show for their new console a mere 8 months before launch.

In fact, it leads me to believe NX won't even launch in March 2017, and will probably end up being pushed to Holiday 2017.

 

[Calamari41]

I quoted this guy saying:

You do not do speech bubbles in souls games, plot is set dressing, and I'm pretty sure they don't have a single puzzle. But yea, I'm obtuse, because that one rare fight that uses basic ai is totally souls. Zelda II is the only Zelda similar to souls.

Zelda is full of combat. Just because it's bad doesn't mean it isn't there. The basic mechanics (lock-on, strafing, dodging, blocking, backstab) are all there in Zelda. In fact, many invented by Zelda.

 

[Menitta]

Last Month: "I can't fucking wait for E3!! It's gonna be huuuuge!!!"

This Month: "E3 is irrelevant. Nobody watches that shit."

 

[Good Guy Gone Bad]

Nintendo is avoiding E3 BECAUSE it is an important event. They don't want to share media coverage real-estate with all the other announcements.

Sony and MS were able to show off their consoles at E3 and announce prices and show games and still commanded lots of media coverage. I don't see why Nintendo couldn't do the same with a blowout at E3.

And there's been no confirmation of a "fall event" at this point, only that it'd be discussed later in the year.

 

[Stairouais]

I hope Nintendo has a Nintendo Direct this month for the 3DS games if they don't plan on showing them at all at E3.

No. But they'll have tweets! TWEETS!

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

It does make sense, and it doesn't really matter. Nintendo will show Zelda at E3. It'll look damn good. Then when they reveal the NX and some games people will forget about this. It'll have its own hype and then no one will give a shit about how they approached E3 back in June.

This is all going to be the case.

 

[Loco4Coco]

For a game that's less than a year away I wonder how much they're actually gonna show.

 

[atr0cious]

Zelda is full of combat. Just because it's bad doesn't mean it isn't there.

Yea that tried and true stamina based combat zelda is known for...

Grass is the new mob.

 

[Mato]

This meme needs to stop

Well you see, those aren't E3 attendance numbers. This graph is more indicative of Twitch's proliferation. I think E3 in the traditional sense, a physical location where people of the industry and gamers come together is becoming irrelevant. Showing your goods on the internet come early June is what people have come to expect. The E3 is just a banner, a tag for that.

 

[Vena]

Calm down and read. I didn't say that NX is vaporware. I said that something happened that delayed the whole timeline with at least 4 months. And obviously they can't show NX now or in June. That doesn't mean the hardware doesn't exist, but rather that either there are still some pending decisions on it that would impact what they show or they needed to rethink something related to it (could be anything, like the controller or whatever). They can't show a prototype of the controller for example for the reveal, they need to show the final one. There are a lot of small things that can go wrong an impact that. Or medium things like clock speeds and such.

So relax and take a deep breath, because I never said that NX doesn't exist or it's dead. Just that something must have happened.

What I am saying is that this conclusion doesn't make sense. They're not going to pivot to such a major degree as to be unable to show or reveal the even most basic of information of the hardware.

Hence the "2018" statement.

There are extenuating circumstances to this decision, obviously, we just have no idea what they are but the idea I am putting forth is that this isn't related to a "lack of stuff to show".

 

[Bishop89]

10 min* zelda preview for nintendos e3 offering.

Lol

Spoiler

*random number

 

[Finalow]

Doesn't mean it's great for nintendo to 'skip' it, but it really isn't the dealbreaker people think. Once they create their own event and start hyping that up, all will be forgotten (if they have a good reveal).

you mean like a Nintendo direct? Oh, that could work.

I can't see how this makes any sense because it doesn't,

Which isn't really important. What's important is that these days it's so easy to create an event of your own that you stream live to the entire world with 100% of the focus on YOU and your product. Of course E3 is huge with lots of viewers. But anyone who thinks it has the same status as it did 10 years ago is delusional.

but I'll go ahead and stop reading the thread, it's not very healthy.

 

[SunBroDave]

Sure, but at E3 they'll be competing for headlines against PS4K and possibly Xbox 1.5.

I think it's probably smarter to do a dedicated event for NX. That's what Sony and MS did, worked out pretty well. Wii U was revealed at E3, didn't work out so well.

It can NOT BE overstated just how pivotal E3 2013 was in determining the public perception of both the X1 and PS4. It was a major victory for Sony and defeat for Microsoft.

 

[rhandino]

I feel bad for Kirby Planet Robobot. That game is likely going to be the next 3DS gem and Nintendo is ignoring it despite it releasing mid-June.

It'll be bad if there's no May Direct and the one in March was the only exposure it got.

???

Kirby games are always good performers among the casual audiences that most likely dont follow E3 news.

 

[Tatsumi Oga]

It does make sense, and it doesn't really matter. Nintendo will show Zelda at E3. It'll look damn good. Then when they reveal the NX and some games people will forget about this. It'll have its own hype and then no one will give a shit about how they approached E3 back in June.

If all goes well. This is the best case scenario. Worst case is that the NX is underpowered as hell, a Xbox One at best and basically it'll be another Wii U situation again where this time Sony releases/has released a much more powerful system and maybe MS as well around that time. This is why we need some info, we are still completely in the dark about the damn thing.

 

[Rodin]

But what if Zelda is amazing?

How dare you suggesting something like that.

Maybe we get a zelda wii u demo for the holidays.

If they were serious about this, they would have released the demo on the eShop after the E3 show.

It's actually both. Nintendo should have a greater presence at E3 in an ideal world where the NX was ready, which it clearly isn't. But the long term trend is that E3 has been diminishing in importance since it's peak, and that will continue as Video Games more closely emulate the larger entertainment industry with independent events and social marketing.

Yup.

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

But what if Zelda is amazing?

You would think they believe it is if they are going all in with it.

 

[Rösti]

For a game that's less than a year away I wonder how much they're actually gonna show.

One could perhaps look to the demo of The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess at E3 2006 for an estimate of this.

 

[Calamari41]

Yea that tried and true stamina based combat zelda is known for...

Grass is the new mob.

Lock-on, blocking, strafing, dodge rolling, backstab... come on. You wonder why I think you're being obtuse? Dark Souls is a deeper version of Zelda's combat, and it had better be since it is the focus of the games and came out 10+ years after OoT.

And if you think that the Iron Knuckle fight is a rare instance of combat in 3D Zelda games, then I wonder if you've even played any of them.

 

[Dark Cloud]

It can NOT BE overstated just how pivotal E3 2013 was in determining the public perception of both the X1 and PS4. It was a major victory for Sony and defeat for Microsoft.

It's about presentation and what you show. This can be done at a Nintendo standalone event.

 

[Plinko]

Last Month: "I can't fucking wait for E3!! It's gonna be huuuuge!!!"

This Month: "E3 is irrelevant. Nobody watches that shit."

Please point out specific cases of this phenomenon.

 

[MuchoMalo]

It's actually both. Nintendo should have a greater presence at E3 in an ideal world where the NX was ready, which it clearly isn't. But the long term trend is that E3 has been diminishing in importance since it's peak, and that will continue as Video Games more closely emulate the larger entertainment industry with independent events and social marketing.

Literally the only logical post on this topic I've read in this thread. Good job.