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[Schnozberry]

They could be using Denver cores if it is a new SoC.

Again, early dev kit.

Adding Denver into the mix late in the game would be a huge pain in the ass unless Nintendo and Nvidia were able to made it completely seamless through software. Denver cores only perform really well with code that can be broken down into recursive loops, and you'd need software to be able to be able to assign instructions to the proper core and maintain cache coherence. It has a native arm recompiler, but it would be noticeably slower than just adding more A57 cores to the mix.

Nvidia seems to have found a home for Denver in the automotive business and AI.

 

[TwilightPrincess]

Adding Denver into the mix late in the game would be a huge pain in the ass unless Nintendo and Nvidia were able to made it completely seamless through software. Denver cores only perform really well with code that can be broken down into recursive loops, and you'd need software to be able to be able to assign instructions to the proper core and maintain cache coherence. It has a native arm recompiler, but it would be noticeably slower than just adding more A57 cores to the mix.

Nvidia seems to have found a home for Denver in the automotive business and AI.

How about Arm A72? I don't believe those specs a bit. Nikki even said i shouldn't take them too seriously. If we believe LCGeek the CPU part should be stronger than the XboxOne CPU. with a57 they would need about 8 cores to beat it if I am right?

 

[Radius4]

Adding Denver into the mix late in the game would be a huge pain in the ass unless Nintendo and Nvidia were able to made it completely seamless through software. Denver cores only perform really well with code that can be broken down into recursive loops, and you'd need software to be able to be able to assign instructions to the proper core and maintain cache coherence. It has a native arm recompiler, but it would be noticeably slower than just adding more A57 cores to the mix.

Nvidia seems to have found a home for Denver in the automotive business and AI.

But denver opens up interesting possibilities.
Denver succeeds (or failure) depends on the software side of things. They can improve the code optimizer over time, and maybe (not sure on the technicalities involved) but maybe they could have PPC binary translator too! (or maybe not).

It's interesting at least.

 

[notaskwid]

Nintendo can't sell this thing for more that 250 if they don't want to repeat a wiiu like scenario. Its like some of you are expecting miracles, taking in consideration the form factor here.
There might have been better or worse options, but seeing the concept of the console and the reality of the market, there were not too many.

 

[lupinko]

Will Nvidia find a way to screw Nintendo like they did Sony and Microsoft?

 

[KingBroly]

Will Nvidia find a way to screw Nintendo like they did Sony and Microsoft?

Nvidia are apparently the ones who were aggressive in getting this deal, so...maybe not?

 

[CrAzY FiNgErS]

Will Nvidia find a way to screw Nintendo like they did Sony and Microsoft?

Nvidia are apparently the ones who were aggressive in getting this deal, so...maybe not?

It will be a long time before we know if they will screw Nintendo over. I'd say from the rumors Nintendo got a good deal this time around, but years from now when Nintendo needs a new GPU for their next tablet console upgrade who knows if Nvidia will be so generous?
Hopefully they can maintain a good working relationship with each other for the benefit of gamers everywhere.

 

[kimifan141]

The A57 had heating issues right ? most of mobile processors now moved to A72 . keeping the A53 for power saving.

http://www.ibtimes.com/snapdragon-8...xed-newer-smartphones-launch-improved-2013236

 

[Seloth]

Of course it will have expandable memory with SD cards or something similar. Why are people carrying on about 32GB internal memory? Lmao

 

[th3sicknness]

why would Nvidia allow Nintendo to use an old SOC to represent their hardware? I firmly believe it is either something newer or pascal based.. no way it is old tech.

 

[n0razi]

So its powered by a SoC and GPU from late 2015/early 2016?

Like an iphone6 ductaped to a GTX 940

 

[Fess]

why would Nvidia allow Nintendo to use an old SOC to represent their hardware? I firmly believe it is either something newer or pascal based.. no way it is old tech.

I get what you're saying, this is an important console for nvidia too since it's their way back into the console business, but aren't consoles normally using old tech?

 

[n0razi]

I get what you're saying, this is an important console for nvidia too since it's their way back into the console business, but aren't consoles normally using old tech?

The GPU in the PS4 and Xbone were cutting edge when they were announced, The GPU in the PS4 Pro compares to a mid/high end Radeon 480

The Switch is not even being released until 2017 and these leaks claim GPU tech from over a year ago

 

[Schnozberry]

But denver opens up interesting possibilities.
Denver succeeds (or failure) depends on the software side of things. They can improve the code optimizer over time, and maybe (not sure on the technicalities involved) but maybe they could have PPC binary translator too! (or maybe not).

It's interesting at least.

It adds a layer of complication as well. I'm not saying it's impossible, but it seems like it would be a serious curve ball for developers considering it wasn't present at all in the TX1 dev kits.

 

[Fess]

The GPU in the PS4 and Xbone were cutting edge when they were announced, The GPU in the PS4 Pro compares to a mid/high end Radeon 480

The Switch is not even being released until 2017 and these leaks claim GPU tech from over a year ago

Cutting edge? GDDR5 was kind of new but the GPU and CPU? Wheren't people complaining that they were too low powered just to have a lower price?

 

[antonz]

The GPU in the PS4 and Xbone were cutting edge when they were announced, The GPU in the PS4 Pro compares to a mid/high end Radeon 480

The Switch is not even being released until 2017 and these leaks claim GPU tech from over a year ago

Considering the Tegra X1 is superior to even the A10 Fusion in the IPhone 7 the tech remains cutting edge for portable space. The Parker is even better. Nintendo is going as cutting edge as you can in mobility market.

 

[Schnozberry]

How about Arm A72? I don't believe those specs a bit. Nikki even said i shouldn't take them too seriously. If we believe LCGeek the CPU part should be stronger than the XboxOne CPU. with a57 they would need about 8 cores to beat it if I am right?

A72 isn't something I would immediately discount. Nintendo wouldn't be tied to any existing Tegra design. Nvidia is going to custom build them what they want. The thing that throws me off is that they were clearly using the Tegra X1 to ballpark the final performance of the Switch in the Dev Kits, but the rumors indicated a noisy active cooler. The Shield TV Android device that runs the full power Tegra X1 has an active cooler, but it's nearly completely silent even up close. My guess is Nintendo did some overclocking to approximate the performance they expect from the final Switch Hardware, so A72 and Pascal don't seem completely out of the question. How much of a performance boost we are talking about is unknown, but they should be able to get better power consumption when in handheld mode, and much higher clocks and thermal performance in docked mode with an A72/Pascal combination.

 

[Mr Swine]

I think people are wishing to much that the Switch will both have a A72 CPU and a Pascal based GPU (which is more likely to be) so I think that the A57 and Maxwell based GPU is probably what Nintendo went with

 

[th3sicknness]

I was thinking they went custom maxwell.. the best part of pascal is the 16nm tech vs the 20 in the maxwell chips... Maybe they just modded maxwell to use the new fab process and threw on some magic memory like they always do?

Why else would Nvidia not say which chipset it is based off of? I just find it hard to believe Nvidias foray into this console generation is going to use their older gpu rather than their more power efficient newer chipset. Especially when AMD is starting to use Polaris in the newer xbox / ps4 pro.

 

[the-pi-guy]

I get what you're saying, this is an important console for nvidia too since it's their way back into the console business, but aren't consoles normally using old tech?

Consoles usually use crazy good tech for launch.
In fact PS2 was more powerful than PC at release.

"It's no longer possible for a console to be a better or more capable graphics platform than the PC," he said. "Certainly with the first PlayStation and PlayStation 2, in that era there weren't really good graphics on the PC. Around the time of the PS2 is when 3D really started coming to the PC, but before that time 3D was the domain of Silicon Graphics and other 3D workstations. Sony, Sega or Nintendo could invest in bringing 3D graphics to a consumer platform. In fact, the PS2 was faster than a PC.

"By the time of the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3, the consoles were on par with the PC If you look inside those boxes, they're both powered by graphics technology by AMD or NVIDIA, because by that time all the graphics innovation was being done by PC graphics companies," he added. "Sony and Microsoft simply can't afford to spend that kind of money.

http://www.polygon.com/2013/9/25/47...never-more-powerful-than-pcs-says-nvidia-exec

 

[ultrazilla]

So tech GAF, in "Video Game Tech for Dummies" terms, if this devkit leak is
"legit", what are we looking at in terms of performance for the Switch? Still below
Xbox One? Not sure I'm liking that at all. IMHO this *has* to be stronger than a Xbox One, preferably closer to PS4 performance. I guess it depends ultimately what kind of "custom" chip they went with?

 

[SalvaPot]

why would Nvidia allow Nintendo to use an old SOC to represent their hardware? I firmly believe it is either something newer or pascal based.. no way it is old tech.

Well, Nintendo does like to do their signature "Lateral Thinking", using old technology in new, creative ways. Keeps costs low and keeps profits high. It is possible Nintendo themselves asked Nvidia to try an older but proven hardware over a new, overpriced one.

 

[Schnozberry]

I was thinking they went custom maxwell.. the best part of pascal is the 16nm tech vs the 20 in the maxwell chips... Maybe they just modded maxwell to use the new fab process and threw on some magic memory like they always do?

Doesn't make much sense. Pascal is essentially Maxwell shrunken down to 16nm.

 

[Schnozberry]

So tech GAF, in "Video Game Tech for Dummies" terms, if this devkit leak is
"legit", what are we looking at in terms of performance for the Switch? Still below
Xbox One? Not sure I'm liking that at all. IMHO this *has* to be stronger than a Xbox One, preferably closer to PS4 performance. I guess it depends ultimately what kind of "custom" chip they went with?

It wasn't new information. The Devkit that Eurogamer leaked in July ran on some version of a Tegra X1, which is what is described in the "leak". It's literally the specs from a Jetson TX1 development board off of Nvidia's website.

 

[OrbitalBeard]

So tech GAF, in "Video Game Tech for Dummies" terms, if this devkit leak is
"legit", what are we looking at in terms of performance for the Switch? Still below
Xbox One? Not sure I'm liking that at all. IMHO this *has* to be stronger than a Xbox One, preferably closer to PS4 performance. I guess it depends ultimately what kind of "custom" chip they went with?

I think you're setting yourself up for major disappointment with those expectations.

 

[th3sicknness]

Well, Nintendo does like to do their signature "Lateral Thinking", using old technology in new, creative ways. Keeps costs low and keeps profits high. It is possible Nintendo themselves asked Nvidia to try an older but proven hardware over a new, overpriced one.

They started to buck trends near the end of Iwatas time with the company. They started doing things not Nintendo like.. Licensing IP out to make cell phone games, theme parks, cartoons, and so on.. This system within itself is along with how they did the marketing and message is them actually listening to people somewhat (which is rare normally they are tone deaf).

I think they are going to move towards region free and unified account structure (storing purchase by account rather than device). This pretty much ties into them using Nvidias newest chipset rather than oldest in my mind.

 

[Astral Dog]

So tech GAF, in "Video Game Tech for Dummies" terms, if this devkit leak is
"legit", what are we looking at in terms of performance for the Switch? Still below
Xbox One? Not sure I'm liking that at all. IMHO this *has* to be stronger than a Xbox One, preferably closer to PS4 performance. I guess it depends ultimately what kind of "custom" chip they went with?

No way a portable is stronger than an Xbox ONE, at least not for a few years

 

[ultrazilla]

I think you're setting yourself up for major disappointment with those expectations.

I know. :/ I'm still getting it though!

 

[Schnozberry]

So tech GAF, in "Video Game Tech for Dummies" terms, if this devkit leak is
"legit", what are we looking at in terms of performance for the Switch? Still below
Xbox One? Not sure I'm liking that at all. IMHO this *has* to be stronger than a Xbox One, preferably closer to PS4 performance. I guess it depends ultimately what kind of "custom" chip they went with?

I think everyone should settle on being optimistic about the Switch being modern and powerful enough to get ports. Asking for Xbox One or PS4 power in a tablet format is still a year or two out.

 

[Hermii]

Since this thread isn't closed. Is this leak reliable?

 

[Galactic Specter]

I think everyone should settle on being optimistic about the Switch being modern and powerful enough to get ports. Asking for Xbox One or PS4 power in a tablet format is still a year or two out.

I agree with this, I'm not expecting the switch to be pass any of the current systems but I'm hoping it's powerful enough to facilitate modern multiplats being ported to the system so third parties won't have a rough time like they did with the Wii U.

 

[lwilliams3]

Considering the Tegra X1 is superior to even the A10 Fusion in the IPhone 7 the tech remains cutting edge for portable space. The Parker is even better. Nintendo is going as cutting edge as you can in mobility market.

Can you link to the benchmarks of that?

 

[SalvaPot]

They started to buck trends near the end of Iwatas time with the company. They started doing things not Nintendo like.. Licensing IP out to make cell phone games, theme parks, cartoons, and so on.. This system within itself is along with how they did the marketing and message is them actually listening to people somewhat (which is rare normally they are tone deaf).

I think they are going to move towards region free and unified account structure (storing purchase by account rather than device). This pretty much ties into them using Nvidias newest chipset rather than oldest in my mind.

I don't really agree with the notion that Nintendo is listening to people or giving them what they want with the Switch. I think they are giving them what "They didn't know they wanted until they saw it" and in a way this is exactly the way Nintendo always conducts itself.

There is a lot of ways to interpret what people "want", and listening to people can be maddening if you can't decide who to listen to. Is it the people who want Nintendo to go third-party? Is it the hardcore? Is it the family market?

So Nintendo takes the a third option. They always do. For better or for worse. The Switch is for better, I think. And you are right in that the marketing this time was right, a clear contrast with the disaster on the Wii U.

 

[R00bot]

Ha, my phone has more RAM than that.

This should be enough power though, right? I mean 8 gigs on any portable is pretty much unheard of (I think 6 gigs is the most any phone has).

 

[icecold1983]

So tech GAF, in "Video Game Tech for Dummies" terms, if this devkit leak is
"legit", what are we looking at in terms of performance for the Switch? Still below
Xbox One? Not sure I'm liking that at all. IMHO this *has* to be stronger than a Xbox One, preferably closer to PS4 performance. I guess it depends ultimately what kind of "custom" chip they went with?

On the assumption that the leak turns out to be legit, xbone is 2.5x faster at an absolute minimum. The difference would likely be much bigger in practice due to the absolutely pathetic amount of memory bandwidth in switch. Not to mention this is using the max rated 1ghz clock as a basis. Its possible that clock wont be sustainable

 

[Milly Osworth]

When can we expect actual specs? When someone takes it apart?

 

[n0razi]

Ha, my phone has more RAM than that.

This should be enough power though, right? I mean 8 gigs on any portable is pretty much unheard of (I think 6 gigs is the most any phone has).

Phones (iPhone 8S, Galxy S8) in 2017, the year Switch is actually released, are going to wipe the floor with those specs

 

[Clessidor]

When can we expect actual specs? When someone takes it apart?

Yeah, a few days/weeks after the release would be the time we will actually find out about the tech behind the system. Even if Nintendo/Nvidia would decide to give out more information about it, which is unlikely, they wouldn't give us exact details then.
So we would have to wait for people analyzing the system by themselves.

 

[Fess]

Consoles usually use crazy good tech for launch.
In fact PS2 was more powerful than PC at release

Those days were fun, but what about the later consoles which went with "regular" PC parts? PS4? XB1?
My PC made my PS4 and XB1 seem like laptops, very very far from cutting edge. I just think it's unfair to assume that Switch will be top of the line, especially considering what they're going for. I'd be perfectly fine with mobile phone-like power, going further than that will only cause heating and battery problems.

 

[kimifan141]

i Wonder if they had let crazy ken develop Ps4 , he probably would have come up with another 500$ + monster that was equal or better than a pc, isn't ps3 cpu something to behold still ?

 

[Herb Alpert]

Phones (iPhone 8S, Galxy S8) in 2017, the year Switch is actually released, are going to wipe the floor with those specs

people are still comparing console specs to phone specs?

 

[Rodin]

Phones (iPhone 8S, Galxy S8) in 2017, the year Switch is actually released, are going to wipe the floor with those specs

1) those aren't the official specs
2) good luck playing Zelda on your 2017 phone

 

[japtor]

Phones (iPhone 8S, Galxy S8) in 2017, the year Switch is actually released, are going to wipe the floor with those specs

And they'll cost $700.

Anyway some resolution chat, dynamic resolution is a thing these days. If there's some disparity in docked and portable mode clocks that'd seem like a good way of helping with the performance difference. Like 720-1080 when docked and 480-720 or something while portable. Or much less than that from EA.

 

[wazoo]

Ha, my phone has more RAM than that.

This should be enough power though, right? I mean 8 gigs on any portable is pretty much unheard of (I think 6 gigs is the most any phone has).

Wake me when a phone game has access to such amount of RAM. Even 1GB would be a lot. Those phone are heavily multi tasking systems.

 

[DieH@rd]

And they'll cost $700.

They cost that much because Apple and Samsung and others want to earn a lot of money from their sales. Those phones cost ~$250 to be made.

Console business operates differently. Customers expect affordable HW prices, and manufacturers earn bulk of their money from software.

 

[J_ToSaveTheDay]

Well, these leaks completely dash the hopes that Nintendo had somehow created a hybrid console that would compete with PS4 and Xbox One. I'm okay if this ends up being true -- I still like the design, have a lot of use for the design in my own lifestyle, and want access to Nintendo's latest 1st-party software. Breath of the Wild is among my most anticipated games ever and the bonus of the Switch version being able to convert to portable is excellent to me, I just hope with the reports of poor battery life that Nintendo has a pretty good recharging solution in place. I mean, the 3DS charger is fine, but having a more standardized/versatile format like micro-USB or USB type-C (the latter not feeling likely given the leaks about USB 2.0 still being prevalent in the dock).

Still excited. A bit disappointed, but it's a Nintendo flagship and Super Mario and Legend of Zelda keep me loyal. I'm currently viewing it as a two-product successor to both the WiiU and the 3DS, and kind of expect the strong Japanese support of the 3DS to continue on in the Switch.

 

[Principate]

Well, these leaks completely dash the hopes that Nintendo had somehow created a hybrid console that would compete with PS4 and Xbox One. I'm okay if this ends up being true -- I still like the design, have a lot of use for the design in my own lifestyle, and want access to Nintendo's latest 1st-party software. Breath of the Wild is among my most anticipated games ever and the bonus of the Switch version being able to convert to portable is excellent to me, I just hope with the reports of poor battery life that Nintendo has a pretty good recharging solution in place. I mean, the 3DS charger is fine, but having a more standardized/versatile format like micro-USB or USB type-C (the latter not feeling likely given the leaks about USB 2.0 still being prevalent in the dock).

Still excited. A bit disappointed, but it's a Nintendo flagship and Super Mario and Legend of Zelda keep me loyal. I'm currently viewing it as a two-product successor to both the WiiU and the 3DS, and kind of expect the strong Japanese support of the 3DS to continue on in the Switch.

These "leaks" are from someone that was certain Nintendo wasn't using tegra architecture (they are) and are litterally stock specs you can find on any tegra device. The only shocking thing is that people are putting stock in it. I could come up with these "leaks".

 

[Ninja Dom]

Ha, my phone has more RAM than that.

This should be enough power though, right? I mean 8 gigs on any portable is pretty much unheard of (I think 6 gigs is the most any phone has).

Phones (iPhone 8S, Galxy S8) in 2017, the year Switch is actually released, are going to wipe the floor with those specs

The most powerful and fastest phone at the moment has 2GB/3GB of RAM, iPhone 7/7 Plus.

Also...this

To be honest, even some Vita games (Killzone!) look better than 99% of games available on mobile today. GPU prowess doesn't really matter on phones, they will never use it to full potential.

 

[LordKano]

Since this thread isn't closed. Is this leak reliable?

No it's not, and I don't understand why the thread isn't locked already.

 

[royox]

https://twitter.com/NWPlayer123/status/789116886109655041

Four ARM Cortex-A57 cores, max 2GHz
NVidia second-generation Maxwell architecture
256 CUDA cores, max 1 GHz, 1024 FLOPS/cycle
4GB RAM (25.6 GB/s, VRAM shared)
32 GB storage (Max transfer 400 MB/s)
USB 2.0 & 3.0
1280 x 720 6.2" IPS LCD
1080p at 60 fps or 4k at 30 fps max video output
Capcitance method, 10-point multi-touch

How can you translate this info for non-engineers?

Almost a PS4? Buffed WiiU?