Nintendo Switch Dev Kit Stats Leaked? Cortex A57, 4GB RAM, 32GB Storage, Multi-Touch.
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That is what is likely as the point. Well actually a custom 16nm pascal tegra. Could be better than the x2 for all we know. I'm guessing it is.
I really want you to find a tablet that currently exists right now that pushes 512GFLOPS and costs $100 US.
Please.
Like go take a look at the $100 tablet market right now.
It's a pile of low end MediaTek and Allwinner garbage that you'd be hopeful to get something higher than 60GFLOPS at most, paired with a shitty screen, 2GB of ram if you're lucky, on top of extremely underperforming CPU cores.
There is no way that this thing costs any less than $200US at minimum, and it's entirely where I would expect it to end up (or probably more likely $250) given how NVIDIA has priced their own products (the Tegra K1 based Shield Tablet was launched at $300, the Shield TV at $200).
nitekrawlwer
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The lack of 8GB of ram will cut it off from AAA ports. I don't think this generation's games are elegant enough to scale that low. Not that Nintendo needs them at the end of the day.
I'm actually more curious about hidden cameras, accelerometers, mics, and other surprises than I am straight horsepower.
I'm actually more curious about hidden cameras, accelerometers, mics, and other surprises than I am straight horsepower.
ArchedThunder
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Maxwell and 4GB of RAM makes me think fake. Didn't Emily Rogers say it was Pascal?
I don't think she ever gave computing specs outside of "Nvidia".
NeOak
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Seems likely
The specs listed are the off-the-shelf Tegra X1 you get if you buy a Jetson TX1 dev board.
And RAM is in the same chip package as the CPU/GPU, so if you want a different version you gotta pay $$$$$. No reason when it was an early dev kit.
NVIDIA already said Pascal.
ShadowFox08
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Its a good thing Nintendo is holding off on the specs until next year then. They still have time to finalize it to bump it. And by that, I mean the RAM that people are so worried about. Then again, we have no official confirmation of the RAM in the first place. All we know is that it uses Pascal.
ArchedThunder
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So then this probably isn't accurate since Switch has a custom Tegra then?
Did they?
ArchedThunder
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It doesn't say Pascal by name, I assumed when reading that this morning that it meant Pascal, but it is vague enough that they could be referring to Maxwell.
But it's probably Pascal.
ShadowFox08
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Right, but this is first and foremost a "home console" advertised by Nintendo.
All they said was it's "based on the same architecture as the worlds top-performing GeForce gaming graphics cards".
You can read that as right now the world's top-performing Geforce cards are Pascal based, so they must mean Pascal, but it's not a direct confirmation unless they've made any other statement.
GameAddict411
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The fact they are being vague with the specs says that it's not going to be very powerful. More powerful than the Wii-U and some handhelds devices for sure, but it will not do that well compared to the XO and the PS4. I think they were aiming at at tablet that can run Wii-U games level of quality.
I don't mind that level of performance, but the problem is that it will not be able to handle current gen ports even at 720p. Add to the fact that it will run on battery power and it's just impossible.
I don't mind that level of performance, but the problem is that it will not be able to handle current gen ports even at 720p. Add to the fact that it will run on battery power and it's just impossible.
NeOak
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No. It is Pascal. There is no version of Maxwell sub 28nm, and the only current top GPUs are Pascal. The TX1 is way too hot to be put in a tablet of this size.
Also, it is a custom version. You can bet it isn't an off the shelf Tegra X2, since that at the moment is pretty much the Drive PX2.
NDAs are a bitch.
Aztechnology
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Except not really? That completely preys upon not understanding the differences in markets. Console and video games sales are linked. And while consoles are hardware, they don't share a similar business model to phones. You have to account for subsidization, audience and price segmentation.
Affeinvasion
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That's because that's basically what it is. I'll be shocked if the market supports this device. If it can't play modern games day and date with the console leaders even in a downscaled fashion, it's done.
Sword Of Doom
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Too logical
Windle Poons
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Obvs came into this thread late however 32 gig for saves surely if the games are now running off carts again?
No installs due to slow blu ray drives on this fucker.
Possible with Pascal Tegra and high speed ARM cores it can achieve good performance with the lower overhead over x86 architecture. I assume when docked the gpu and cpu run at full speed. Undocked it probably lowers clocks as it only needs to render a 900p screen. Looks pretty thick so it may have a good size battery.
NeOak
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Very late:
32GB is not confirmed. And most likely you can use SD cards.
Could be like the 3DS that requires a SD Card.
NeOak
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Nintendo has never used built in memory for handhelds. 3DS comes with a 4GB SD card. They will most likely do the same here.
Pancakes R Us
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I don't agree on the $300 figure. Too high for a Nintendo product, IMO. OG Wii could've hit that figure and been fine. Unless Switch has an amazing hook we're unaware of (let's face it, this hybrid stuff isn't going to excite anyone but us Nintendo fans), I don't see how it'll sell well at this price. I'd love to be wrong.
Also the cost of flash storage and the product yield which 128GB+ variants probably aren't going to work for something cost sensitive and high yield. 64GB I think is doable, and I think tiered storage pricing is likely and may vary over time.
Everything since DSi has onboard memory, they just augment it with SD because it wasn't very much (Except Wii U). They will want onboard because even with SD cards storage will be a premium in portable mode.
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Jpop
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Depending on how patches are implemented wouldn't it be possible to rewrite the data on the cart? It isn't feasible with CDs but with carts I don't see why it wouldn't be possible.
I Stalk Alone
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You can install to sd on the go or install from portable hdd docked.
But this is a "console first and foremost"....
Honestly, how much memory they put in the thing doesn't matter to me since it'll be docked 90% of the time and I'll probably purchase a USB 3.0 external HDD to be able to save as much as want. I do hope they find a good balance, though. I was thinking more in the line of 64 or 128GB which isn't a whole lot, but should be plenty to transfer a few games to it.
NeOak
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Oh shit
Ikr, we're shooting blanks here because we don't have real specs, just a "dev kit" that happens to be a Jetson TX1 board.
nitekrawlwer
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Then this might be the Nintendo console with the widest library of games since the NES. That's very impressive.
ShadowFox08
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Nathan drake called Pascal in July. He also said something else...
http://www.ign.com/boards/threads/r...xb1-will-use-new-pascal-tegra-chip.454814029/
Now the question is if dock mode will actually increase clockspeeds and performance or not..
http://www.ign.com/boards/threads/r...xb1-will-use-new-pascal-tegra-chip.454814029/
Now the question is if dock mode will actually increase clockspeeds and performance or not..
You mean Pascal-based Tegra 'Parker', they're not calling it the X2, but anyway, hopefully the custom SoC for switch is based on Pascal and on 16nm FinFET.
Tegra X1 was 20nm and not using a FinFET process.
Please correct me if that's wrong.
Every Nintendo handheld since the DSi has contained SOME internal flash memory. Not a lot, but definitely some.
NeOak
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You're right on both counts. TX2 is just for convenience and what was called before it was announced, but the official codename is Parker.
http://wccftech.com/nvidia-tegra-parker-soc-hot-chips/
I'm curious if the game cards will be read only or if they can be written to for patches / DLC; maybe a smaller writable amount of memory is possible to keep costs lower?
I do hope SD cards stay like the 3DS and it would be nice to be able to have an external USB hard disk on the dock like the Wii U. I don't like having to swap games in and out of internal memory, but it's better than having to re-download games like on my PS3.
I do hope SD cards stay like the 3DS and it would be nice to be able to have an external USB hard disk on the dock like the Wii U. I don't like having to swap games in and out of internal memory, but it's better than having to re-download games like on my PS3.
Obliterator
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If it was to release at these specs it wouldn't be close to the Xbone let alone the standard PS4.
If this is how it releases it will be great power for a handheld, but incredibly weak for home a console. Especially compared to Pro and Scorpio in 2017. I can't image much support in terms of AAA 3rd party multi plat games.
ShadowFox08
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You're right on both counts. TX2 is just for convenience and what was called before it was announced, but the official codename is Parker.
[/QUOTE] Acording to the link http...hird party ports, its gonna rake in the dough
NeOak
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No, it isn't as powerful as the XBO.
Rendering for 540p? This can handle the AAA 3rd party games coming out for the XBO and PS4. It wouldn't surprise me if there was a Battlefield 1 port that ran at 540p no problem.
A TFLOP is a TFLOP.
What you are saying is like saying "Florida Miles are pretty good, but Texas Miles are more efficient, so it would be 1.4 Texas Miles per Florida Mile."
Again, this is not the spec of the machine, it is of the early dev kit which is a off-the-shelf Jetson TX1 Board http://www.nvidia.com/object/jetson-tx1-module.html
Oh, I thought I saw USB ports on the dock. I'm imagining plugging in a hard disk where you can store games for swapping in and out of internal memory. Praying for SD card slot then.
ShadowFox08
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Nvidia GPU is more efficient than AMD though and they aren't direct performance translations in flops. From what I keep hearing, NVIDIA's GFLOP is close to 40% more than AMD in performance per flop.
Haint
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The problem is if it's also 720p on your TV. Can you imagine in 2022 playing the latest Mario or Zelda on your 80" 120Hz 4K OLED...in 720p.
Well not really. The meaning of the number in terms of hardware capability varies wildly across brands and product line. Hence it not usually being a great way to compare things unless they within the same GPU line.
I don't think that this is something people should buy into. To some degree that fuzzy logic is helpful in the PC GPU arena, but may not hold any weight here.
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