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Nintendo Switch: March 3rd 2017 worldwide, MSRP $300
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Xist2inspire
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Personally I was hoping for $250, but $300 is reasonable. That doesn't make it good, mind you, but I understand. At least there can be some wiggle room in terms of future sales and price drops now, especially if the Switch stumbles out of the gate. Because even if the majority doesn't initially bite at $300, you still have $275 and $250 later on as a backup, and can likely still make a profit. But if they don't initially bite at $250, any price drop you do brings you closer and closer to the danger zone of selling at a loss, and that usually doesn't end well.
newtypepilot
Member
phones have better specs than that.
Smurfman256
Member
Did a quick and dirty analysis of resolution and framerates of games shown:
- Super Mario Odyssey - 720p, 60FPS (no AA)
- ARMS - 720p, 60FPS (heavy temporal AA - looks like a UE4 game with it's own overly-aggressive TAA solution)
- Splatoon 2 - 720p, 60FPS (no AA)
- Mario Kart 8 Deluxe - 1080p, 60FPS (no AA)
- Fire Emblem Warriors (short game visual snippet shown) - 1080p, 30FPS (light post process AA)
- Xenoblade Chronicles 2 - 720p, 30FPS (heavy post AA)
- Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild - 720p, 30FPS (heavy post AA used)
- Super Bomberman R - 1080p, 60FPS (post AA)
- The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim - 1080p, 30FPS (post AA used)*
- Shin-Megami Tensei - 1920x540 (horizontal interlacing used), 60FPS
*May have been PC Footage.
metalslimer
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720p is one of the few things that is understandable. People are already complaining about the shit battery life. We would have been looking at Game Gear levels for some games.
The graphics on display though didn't present anywhere of a jump from where the Wii U already was.
The graphics on display though didn't present anywhere of a jump from where the Wii U already was.
720p for the portable screen itself is fine, seriously come on. If that is the resolution for the big screen, than yeah that would suck.
NightShift
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I am completely turned off by the Switch now. Can't wait to buy a Wii U soon!
H3rTz DoNuT
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But this is exactly what it is, or at least will be.
I've been saying for months, it's going to come down to the launch games and the price.
This launch lineup is just sad. I see people comparing it to the PS4 launch lineup, which was also sad, but I say, look at what the PS4 was competing against: the XB1 which had also JUST launched, the Wii U with its perpetual droughts, and the older, tired, PS3 and 360. The time was right for a new console, and at $100 less than the XB1, of course the PS4 was going to sell, even if the launch games were ho-hum.
The Switch's launch lineup has to compete against the CURRENT PS4/XB1 lineups, not the LAUNCH PS4/XB1 lineups, so that comparison is meaningless. And if you were wondering, it's not a favorable comparison.
The year one outlook isn't so great either. I see Zelda and Mario, okay, good. Then I see the Wii U ports, I see some niche games, I see Skyrim, I see some sports games, I see some indies, and I don't see much else. These launch games needed to kick all kinds of ass. I was hoping to hear about DOZENS of games during this presentation, all of which would make me salivate. That's not what I got, and I'm disappointed.
Okay, so about the price. My previous feelings could be summed up as "They need to compete with the current market. $199 = great, $249 = okay, $299 = DOA." After watching the entire presentation and looking at more details, it's even worse than I expected. We're being asked to pay $299, plus:
- NO pack-in game. None.
- Separate MicroSD card purchase pretty much required, as 32 GB is only going to go so far
- $70 if you want the Pro controller
- $80 if you want another set of JoyCons
- online multiplayer will not be free beyond Fall 2017
I can't believe my eyes. I was really hoping Nintendo would learn from the market reception of Wii U, and really compete on price. This is just...I don't even know what this is. I'm sad, and frustrated, and wondering if this is a bad dream.
I would say something else, but I don't really know what to say, beyond the obvious: I won't be pre-ordering.
This launch lineup is just sad. I see people comparing it to the PS4 launch lineup, which was also sad, but I say, look at what the PS4 was competing against: the XB1 which had also JUST launched, the Wii U with its perpetual droughts, and the older, tired, PS3 and 360. The time was right for a new console, and at $100 less than the XB1, of course the PS4 was going to sell, even if the launch games were ho-hum.
The Switch's launch lineup has to compete against the CURRENT PS4/XB1 lineups, not the LAUNCH PS4/XB1 lineups, so that comparison is meaningless. And if you were wondering, it's not a favorable comparison.
The year one outlook isn't so great either. I see Zelda and Mario, okay, good. Then I see the Wii U ports, I see some niche games, I see Skyrim, I see some sports games, I see some indies, and I don't see much else. These launch games needed to kick all kinds of ass. I was hoping to hear about DOZENS of games during this presentation, all of which would make me salivate. That's not what I got, and I'm disappointed.
Okay, so about the price. My previous feelings could be summed up as "They need to compete with the current market. $199 = great, $249 = okay, $299 = DOA." After watching the entire presentation and looking at more details, it's even worse than I expected. We're being asked to pay $299, plus:
- NO pack-in game. None.
- Separate MicroSD card purchase pretty much required, as 32 GB is only going to go so far
- $70 if you want the Pro controller
- $80 if you want another set of JoyCons
- online multiplayer will not be free beyond Fall 2017
I can't believe my eyes. I was really hoping Nintendo would learn from the market reception of Wii U, and really compete on price. This is just...I don't even know what this is. I'm sad, and frustrated, and wondering if this is a bad dream.
I would say something else, but I don't really know what to say, beyond the obvious: I won't be pre-ordering.
Most flagship phones also cost $600-$900.
Art Vandilay
Member
Same. They should've bundled Zelda IMO.
This is going to be another Wii U and possibly even worse.
There isn't going to be some huge turnout from mobile-only gamers. They're sticking to their phones.
It's more than that though.
High Price
Low Specs
Paid Online
Outrageous accessory costs
Very poor software lineup
Limited third party support
I am not willing to dump $500 dollars on day one for a system, game and controller.
LelouchZero
Member
I was really looking forward to this but the paid online service, poor lineup and expensive peripherals are disappointing for me.
Barely? It runs pretty well and features no frame pacing issues.
Final Fantasy 15 Xbox One Gameplay Frame-Rate Test (Digital Foundry)
Performance Analysis: Final Fantasy 15
Barely? It runs pretty well and features no frame pacing issues.
Final Fantasy 15 Xbox One Gameplay Frame-Rate Test (Digital Foundry)
Performance Analysis: Final Fantasy 15
I'm going to buy one because I have the money and why the fuck not, but they're really leaving a lot of money on the table by making it that expensive. And its accessories. And removing free online. And not announcing any games for fall. Basically I'm getting a vibe that they're just doing the Wii U again under a different name. As if the name was Wii U's only problem. Extremely conservative launch, even for Nintendo.
Paid online, low spec, expensive accessories, underwhelming launch titles, $300 MSRP
They are testing brand loyalty no doubt.
That's really ignoring the overall problem. At $299 it doesn't even come with a pack in, or a pro controller.
If I wanted to buy this, Zelda, and a Pro Controller to have a decent home experience I would have to shell out ~$450. That's insane. Which doesn't even speak to all of the other legitimate issues so far.
onemanasylum
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I am shocked how bad this is...like there was barely any third party presence at all, devs are clearly not on board. The lineup is embarassing for a console launch, the hardware is overpriced, as are accessories. Online features not ready for launch WTF? Disaster.
EventHorizon
Member
The Switch is $50 more than the high end limit. It would have been a tough sell @ $250.
ZehDon
Member
At $250.00, the Switch was going to be a very hard sell. At $300.00, for what it is, the lack of third party main stays, and that confirmed launch line up? No one who didn't buy a Wii U is buying this. That price is just not inline with how the mass market perceives Nintendo's hardware.
SenkiDala
Member
And they cost 699 to 1200$...
NightShift
Member
Despite not being into it, I still expect the Switch to do well. Not Wii numbers but people say it's going to be another Wii U are being way too hasty.
They cost that much because phone companies make a huge profit margin on them. They're not actually that expensive to produce, and traditionally consoles either sell at a loss or, in Nintendo's case, a small profit at launch and then get the bulk of their revenue from game sales and services.
I have literally half a dozen 64 GB micro SD cards in my drawer, don't you guys?
negatory!
Even if I stole all half dozen 64gb SD cards, It would still be <500gb!!
At least Switch has that Zelda exclusive to push Wii U owners to upgra--
oh.
Crimsonclaw111
Member
You forgot that there is also no pack in
Thanks for saving me typing up my thoughts but I'd add three things:
The paid online is a killer. Could add 200 dollars to the life of the system and is totally unexpected. Way more meaningful to me than the jump from 250 to 300 and the single worst news that could have come out of the conference.
At least it is launching with a killer app in Zelda. That makes a difference, despite the weak launch.
Lastly, the quick turnaround from reveal to launch could bite them in the ass because they can't adjust based on consumer reaction to this like Microsoft did with XB1.
Very worried.
Don't forget this is also the replacement for the 3DS. So it will sell better than the Wii U for sure. The better question is will it sell better than the 3DS + Wii U?
BlindJesus
Member
Do they have better games running on fancy phone specs then? Obviously not.
StereoVsn
Gold Member
It will take a price drop and more games from Nintendo and Japanese partners before sales start being good beyond launch. Now launch will sell out between scalpers, hardcore Nintendo fans, and likely constrained supply by Nintendo.
Edit: Good point below. Switch is not likely to be attractive at least initially to most Wii-U owners for obvious reasons and probably too pricey for a lot of 3DS owners
More to the point, which 3DS owners are going to be jumping for this thing? I mean, maybe they actually have more hardware to announce at E3 or something, but that price is crazy for handheld gamers. Particularly in Japan. Truly shocking, and I except some sub 3DS numbers after launch for sure in all regions.
JHoNNy1OoO
Member
It really is insanity.
gustave154
Member
Wow I thought it was going to be higher you got me ninty
GAMETA
Banned
NINTENDO IS ARROGANT!
The only launch game that really matters is Zelda.
$300 for a console that has WiiU graphics (Hello, Nintendo, $300 is a PS4!!!)
Expensive as f*** accessories/controllers.
Ass quality presentation...
I really don't know what the fuck is wrong with this company.
The only launch game that really matters is Zelda.
$300 for a console that has WiiU graphics (Hello, Nintendo, $300 is a PS4!!!)
Expensive as f*** accessories/controllers.
Ass quality presentation...
I really don't know what the fuck is wrong with this company.
StereoVsn
Gold Member
Eh, I would argue that iOS has a much better library then what Nintendo has in 2017. That is a silly argument though since utility of a smartphone and Switch is incomparable to the detriment of the latter.
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