What does hard counter mean?
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November 2015 NPD (U.S. Hardware) Predictions - Closes December 8th
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What does hard counter mean?
Obliterator
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Nvm
3rdamention
Member
Where? Doesn't appear to be any deals in any of tomorrow's sales ads...(unless you mean that free controller charger at target) as I said before,MS is going to have to depend on their own PR and communication channels to advertise any deals they are going to have, at least for this week, cause they didn't have these deals in place in timeto get them in this week's circulars...
I could easily see deals this week in MS stores and online at Amazon, for example...Or some promotions that simply didn't make sales ads, but it's going to be on then to get the word out...
Now next week, we will have to wait and see...But at that point, we are 12 days away from Christmas so the time to make another big splash for Holiday sales is running out quickly...
Announcement right in the middle of psx to kill the hype.
mejin
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You mean Sony will dominate forever kek
Obliterator
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Nvm
KurtSloane
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Cow Goes Moo
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two free games
3rdamention
Member
Softer than a Bloody Cross Counter but better than the Dempsey Counter Counter Counter.
This holiday has more countering than a Miyata match.
Obliterator
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Youve been PMed
See I kinda doubt that. Sony is already dropping their price tomorrow and people are definitely excited for games.
Only hard counter that's gonna count for anything is a permanent $299.99 sku. An Xbox One slim is E3 material, that's the only second possible hard counter. So since there is 0% chance of a low key Xbox One Slim announcement, if it's not a permanent drop (temp for a month+ (or matching promotion) PR at the least) $299.99 then it's anything but hard.
I dunno just an attempt to break the steam of news from psx.
Imagine being able to buy an Xbox with Halo 5 and TR at 299, that would be an insane deal.
3rdamention
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Agreed, and/or a Halo bundle price drop...They still have that card to play and the demand for that bundle was obvious...even at the high price....
Chobel
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If it's a free kinect that's an extremely soft counter. Nobody cares about that thing.
Just about the only things I can think of that would be "hard" counters are
Regardless of what strategy they have they need to get things rolling soon as the competitors discounts take effect shortly. It's bizarre that they would wait so long to advertise this "hard counter" if they've planned all along. Unless perhaps it is a purely reactionary move and was not planned at all.
- A price drop to $250 - seems pretty unlikely
- A price drop on the Halo bundle to $299 - I feel like this would risk pissing off the hardcore halo fans who bought the bundle already but seeing as they halted the cost of the collectors edition after less than a month I could see this happening
- Adding significant value to the bundle via games and gift cards - it would have to be 3+ games, yearly live subscriptions or large gift cards included all of which would be pretty damn expensive.
- Including MCC + Halo 5 or Tomb Raider with existing Gears bundles - of all the options this seems the most likely to me. It is likely to be the least expensive option for them to bios the value of their most attractive bundles.
Regardless of what strategy they have they need to get things rolling soon as the competitors discounts take effect shortly. It's bizarre that they would wait so long to advertise this "hard counter" if they've planned all along. Unless perhaps it is a purely reactionary move and was not planned at all.
Cow Goes Moo
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what kind of house though, and where? anywhere?
i think it's gonna be game bundling related, free games
i think it's gonna be game bundling related, free games
DriftingSpirit
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$250 with Halo 5 and/or Tomb Raider
"Due to the surge in MAU last month, we would like to celebrate by giving you this deal for the rest of December. Happy holidays and happy gaming!"
"Due to the surge in MAU last month, we would like to celebrate by giving you this deal for the rest of December. Happy holidays and happy gaming!"
Which is why I think it will be part of the offer if this is hardware related. Why would any store carry so many?
That's the current PS3 price [with a 500GB hard drive, 12GB flash memory version is $220].
Cow Goes Moo
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price parity with wii u too
Monthly Active Users. After abandoning public announcements of Xbone hardware sales, this is MS's new favourite metric of success [that includes all Xbone, X360, Windows and Windows Phone users who interact with Xbox Live services].
You are seeing it a lot because gaffers are having fun with it.
GifGafIsTheBestGaf
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Monthly Active Users. After abandoning public announcement of hardware sales this is MS's new favourite metric of success.
You are seeing it a lot because gaffers are having fun with it.
Aha I see now, yeah MS are asking for that one.
Thebeardofknowledge
Banned
Wait who's teasing ?
http://news.xbox.com/2015/12/03/xbo...-records-windows-10-gaming-continues-to-rise/
Breaks me if old (and it is)
How much xbox one sold last bf? 1.2 mi?
Breaks me if old (and it is)
How much xbox one sold last bf? 1.2 mi?
Welfare
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1.23m was the entire month.
slavesnyder
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When they say "sales at retail" were up, does this include online channels like amazon?
Just asking because I find the addition of "at retail" strange for console sales.
Welfare
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People were buying consoles digitally so they have to make the distinction.
slavesnyder
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So the 22% plus from retail for BF could be lower if all channels (f.ex. Amazon) are taken into account?
I know this is nitpicking, but MS PR loves to use these kind of easter eggs.
Welfare
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I was trying to make a digital joke. I think I failed.
I don't know why they made that distinction.
Over 615,000.
EDIT: We have >615,000 because we know XB1 sold at least 750k ( 360 in 2012), and the sales are increased by 22%, so: 615,000 x 1.22 = 750,300
Only thing I can see is a relation to HARD drive?
A 1TB version (possibly Fallout 4) at the 500Gb price? So Maybe the Fallout 4 and say Holiday bundle at $349 instead of $399?
If that's the counter, then it's going to fall on its face HARD (entry price is what the Holidays are about).
Now if that means the $399 bundles are suddenly going to be $299, that'll be a much more competitive offer, but very costly and pissing off consumers who bought during BF -big- time imo (I know I would be).
A GeoW $299 + 1 free game would be somewhat competitive, but not enough vs the PS4 Star Wars BF bundle same price to make a big difference imo.
slavesnyder
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When it comes to MS PR I can't tell joke from seriousness any more.
Sorry for mistaking you.
freefornow
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Did Sony say anything about BF sales at the PSX event?? I believe I read some speculation in here that they may say something as part of the presentation.