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[Woopah]

Not really, there’s a thing called Xmas.

And there was Christmas last year as well.

PS5 was down at least 10% YoY in November 2023, but up at least 10% YoY in December 2023.

Same for Xbox Series.

 

[Mr Moose]

This puts XSeries in ~1.2 million? .....

Good to see people buying the X over the S.

 

[SlimySnake]

Is that the argument we're using now? Pretty grand generalization. I don't think most people can throw $300 around for all their kids. If anything Switch emphasises local co-op more than any other console so why would you need more than one.

Switch is still selling because after 7 years you have a plethora of high quality, highly rated games to choose from now. Now is the best time to buy a Swtich.

Xbox is dead last because they have fuck-all. Redfall? dead in a ditch. Hi-Fi Rush ? An unmarketed shadow drop indie title. Starfield? All the anticipation for Bethesda's next gen title was quickly squandered. Still having to release "big patches!!" because companies like to release unfinished games.

What other big exclusives does xbox series x/s have right now from the previous years that would drive people to the ecosytem? Can't think of one.

Playstation you got your TLOU, God of War, Spiderman's and so much more.

Always see people ask "what could xbox have done!?" Maybe release some games people actually want to play instead of spending billions of dollars to poach multiplat titles. Even after the acquisition COD might still be on Playstation so really who's winning here?

Pretty sure the switch outsold the PS5 in units last year. Does that make PS5 a flop? of course not, two different markets. Or at the very least, Nintendo merging their console and handheld business into one muddies the waters. We can either say that Nintendo has left the console business or the handheld business. Pick your poison. At the end of the day, this thing is selling like the DS and 3DS. Even the Wii was pretty much done after 5 years of record breaking sales.

BTW there is a switch lite which goes for $199. Its handheld only and thats the one I see everywhere with kids.

 

[Darsxx82]

Both PS5 and Xbox Series are a minimum of 10% higher than last December and Switch has to be above XBS by a decent amount. Despite being in third place hasn't done too bad, it is that Switch held up better than expected.

PS5 > 1.46M
NSW > XBS
XBS > 1.03M

DEC 2022
NSW - 1.49M est.
PS5 - 1.33M
XBS - 942K

Welfare is probing Matt to get so he can get an accurate estimate, still awaiting his estimate though.

Matt say that is the better December unit sales for XSeries. December 2021 was 1.1milion ? I dont remenber exactly.

Good to see people buying the X over the S.

Matt say LTD is ~ 50:50 and in 2023 the balance was clearly tilted in favor of XSX.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

Jesus Xbox is dead in hardware sales. #3 against a system that didn't even get a price cut AFAIK (Switch), and one that had a more expensive SKU relaunch be the predominant model available for that entire month (PS5). That's also considering the $399/$349 Series X deals (great deals BTW), and IIRC even the Series S had some steep pricing discounts ($249/$199 and maybe even lower in some places).

Was expecting Xbox to take #2 for that month with those things considered, but the brand itself clearly has a declining selling power even in its strongest market. I'm starting to think PS5 can hold onto its sales pace relatively well even if the new PS5 model technically has a higher price for the digital model. Really, I think only the Switch 2 could notably derail some of PS5's selling pace in NA, and I still think Switch 2 is coming H1 this year, not Fall.

 

[demigod]

And there was Christmas last year as well.

PS5 was down at least 10% YoY in November 2023, but up at least 10% YoY in December 2023.

Same for Xbox Series.

PS5 had GoW bundles last year so it made sense that it would be down this year. Honestly no idea why this December is up so much without discounts.

Edit: it’s probably due to the Spiderman 2(which is more kid oriented)bundle that parents/grandparents got for the kids over GoW from 2022.

 

[Kabelly]

Pretty sure the switch outsold the PS5 in units last year. Does that make PS5 a flop? of course not, two different markets. Or at the very least, Nintendo merging their console and handheld business into one muddies the waters. We can either say that Nintendo has left the console business or the handheld business. Pick your poison. At the end of the day, this thing is selling like the DS and 3DS. Even the Wii was pretty much done after 5 years of record breaking sales.

BTW there is a switch lite which goes for $199. Its handheld only and thats the one I see everywhere with kids.

Didn't say playstation was a flop. Isn't PS5 selling better than PS4? That's really good for them. They're still building their game catalogue for the PS5 so I can see how Switch still outsold it. As I mentioned they have a plethora of games to play.

Xbox is selling worse than ever. Yes the Lite exist but it's not the main seller. Even if we remove the lite from the equation Switch would still be outselling the xbox.

There's nothing compelling about the xbox ecosystem right now.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

Spiderman 2 outsold Zelda despite being out for just three months. Absolutely crazy what a gold mine this turned out to be for Sony. Madness.

Starfield has respectable numbers despite being on gamepass even if it didnt finish in the top 10. Without gamepass i suspect it wouldve easily been in the top 7.

Good numbers for Jedi Survivor. Shame stig left. lets hope EA sees these numbers and lets them finish the franchise. 3 out of 10 is not a bad return for EA.

Sony needs to go all in on single player games. They are now outdoing fucking Nintendo when it comes to first party sales which is extremely impressive. Having 1 game ( none this year) per year is not enough. Kill all GaaS games and double the size of ND, GG, SSM, and Insomniac to ensure games come out once every 2-3 years instead of the 5-6 years they are taking today.

6 of the top ten games are non GaaS, non sports franchises. 4 are traditional single player. 1 Fighting Game and 1 dungeon crawler. CoD is literally the only GaaS franchise that still sells. Thats it.

TBF Zelda's sales don't include digital while Spiderman 2's does. With digital it's probable Zelda outsold Spiderman 2 in NA for the year, but probably by "just" a modest gap and nothing crazy.

I've seen fools on Twitter try claiming Spiderman 2 is a financial failure, despite placing 4th for best-selling in the year with only two full months of being on sale. The lengths some are going to try downplaying the game is crazy.

Thing is, they need more revenue to fund all those games you want.

Sony don't have to get aggro with GaaS to do that, though. There are other ways they can cull the budgets and increase profit margins even with the traditional games. IMO they'd be getting more money taking the funds for most of the PC ports and making some 1P AA games instead.

 

[Codeblew]

Switch is effectively a handheld being sold to kids being born everyday. Its not a one per household console and should not be compared to either console.

By that logic, "PS5 is effectively a console being sold to new adults everyday. Its not a one per household console and should not be compared to either console."

 

[demigod]

TBF Zelda's sales don't include digital while Spiderman 2's does. With digital it's probable Zelda outsold Spiderman 2 in NA for the year, but probably by "just" a modest gap and nothing crazy.

I've seen fools on Twitter try claiming Spiderman 2 is a financial failure, despite placing 4th for best-selling in the year with only two full months of being on sale. The lengths some are going to try downplaying the game is crazy.

Zelda most likely outsold Spiderman 2 and Super Mario Wonder probably outsold Starfield.

 

[phant0m]

Another month of Xbox being dead last behind the 7 YEARS old Switch, despite the price cuts, cheap Series S and generation defining games like Starfield.

We LOVE to see it.

Switch had 2 bangers this year (TOTK & Wonder).

Xbox had none.

 

[phant0m]

Hogwarts supremacy. I love it how on the RetarDed forum they kept downplaying it as the game no one really cared, that it had it’s 15 moments of fame.

Harry Potter is arguably the strongest IP out there. Stronger than ever.

This place kinda did the same with SM2 (“too woke!”) and Diablo IV despite both being in Top 10 YTD.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

Looks like on the purple forum some people are pretty upset that Hogwarts Legacy finished as the best-selling video game in the US last year.

I've never seen a singular game scare so many grown people so badly. When was Hogwarts Legacy classified as a survival-horror?

Switch had 2 bangers this year (TOTK & Wonder).

Xbox had none.

It had HiFi Rush

But, well, we know that game wasn't a major seller in spite of praise.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Lol, bye Phil.

On the real thoigh, how is cod 3 second this year when it's supposed to be dog shit?

Don't do drugs

 

[Rockman33]

Awesome to see the Finals doing so well, fantastic, fresh game.

 

[xiskza]

When was the last time a non COD game topped the best selling game of the year?

 

[Mr.Phoenix]

I am just gonna ask it since no one wants to. What happens to Xbox sales when the prices go back up?

 

[Celine]

Pretty sure the switch outsold the PS5 in units last year.

It did in US.

Or at the very least, Nintendo merging their console and handheld business into one muddies the waters. We can either say that Nintendo has left the console business or the handheld business. Pick your poison.

That's what someone that can't accept changing times would say.
The success of the Switch has rendered obsolete the separation between TV consoles and handheld consoles (and tabletop consoles).
That's the ingenious part about the hybrid model, you don't need to choose between this OR that because it is this AND that.
Nintendo might launch a new line of consoles parallel to the hybrid line in the future but the features distinction between the two lines needs to go beyond the simple TV/handheld/tabletop form factor.

At the end of the day, this thing is selling like the DS and 3DS. Even the Wii was pretty much done after 5 years of record breaking sales.

NSW is leaving 3DS on the dust. The sales performance of the two can't be compared. Way too different.

BTW there is a switch lite which goes for $199. Its handheld only and thats the one I see everywhere with kids.

Lite represent just about 15% of the total Switch consoles sold worldwide.

 

[demigod]

I am just gonna ask it since no one wants to. What happens to Xbox sales when the prices go back up?

This begs the question. How many of the sales in December are actually returns from November and rebuys?

 

[xiskza]

Another month of Xbox being dead last behind the 7 YEARS old Switch, despite the price cuts, cheap Series S and generation defining games like Starfield.

 

[ADiTAR]

Spiderman 2 outsold Zelda despite being out for just three months. Absolutely crazy what a gold mine this turned out to be for Sony. Madness.

Zelda digital isn't included.

 

[Woopah]

PS5 had GoW bundles last year so it made sense that it would be down this year. Honestly no idea why this December is up so much without discounts.

Edit: it’s probably due to the Spiderman 2(which is more kid oriented)bundle that parents/grandparents got for the kids over GoW from 2022.

Yes that makes sense to me, and for Xbox it could be explained by the December discounts.

Didn't say playstation was a flop. Isn't PS5 selling better than PS4? That's really good for them. They're still building their game catalogue for the PS5 so I can see how Switch still outsold it. As I mentioned they have a plethora of games to play.

Xbox is selling worse than ever. Yes the Lite exist but it's not the main seller. Even if we remove the lite from the equation Switch would still be outselling the xbox.

There's nothing compelling about the xbox ecosystem right now.

This was Xbox Series' best ever month, so not worse than ever.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

I am just gonna ask it since no one wants to. What happens to Xbox sales when the prices go back up?

The End Credits :/

 

[DenchDeckard]

I am just gonna ask it since no one wants to. What happens to Xbox sales when the prices go back up?

 

[Luminoth-4545]

Welfare's estimates for December are in:

December
PS5 - 1.53M
NSW - 1.25M
XBS - 1.13M

Total 2023
PS5 - 6.83M
NSW - 4.80M
XBS - 3.88M

LTD
NSW - 44.21M
PS5 - 18.73M
XBS - 13.58M

 

[SlimySnake]

That's the ingenious part about the hybrid model, you don't need to choose between this OR that because it is this AND that.

But they are choosing. They are choosing between games that can run on this handheld hardware with 15 Watts TDP vs whats widely available today. Just look at the top 20. 90% of the games are not available on the Switch. Why? Because of the handheld specs. Nintendo made a choice to skip producing consoles that can play current gen games and decided to go with PS360 era specs knowing full well they would be missing out on the CoDs, the Battlefields, the Assassins Creeds and all major third party franchises we take for granted.

The Switch is selling better than the 3DS because unlike the 3DS, all its first party studios are making the games for the Switch. yes, it's selling because of exceptional nintendo first party support, but it is completely unfair to compare it to traditional consoles that are literally 50x more powerful and thus more expensive offering a massive library of games that the Switch simply cant afford to offer due to its handheld specs.

Now if the Switch 2 comes out and runs Alan Wake 2 and Avatar on day one, and begins receiving day one ports then fine. But right now, Nintendo itself has assured it cant be compared to traditional consoles because its simply not running the games running on modern consoles. And this goes back to last gen when it missed out on 90% of the games. Its a cool toy for kids and hardcore gamers who like the 1-2 zelda and mario games from Nintendo every year, but if you wanted to play Baldurs Gate 3, Star Wars, Street Fighter, CoD, Avatar, Alan Wake, RE4 and all the other games you see in the top 20, you needed another console on the side.

Didn't say playstation was a flop. Isn't PS5 selling better than PS4? That's really good for them. They're still building their game catalogue for the PS5 so I can see how Switch still outsold it. As I mentioned they have a plethora of games to play.

Xbox is selling worse than ever. Yes the Lite exist but it's not the main seller. Even if we remove the lite from the equation Switch would still be outselling the xbox.

There's nothing compelling about the xbox ecosystem right now.

I mean it sold over a million units in a month so hard to believe there is nothing compelling or that its dead or that its selling worse than ever even though its the best december for the xs this gen.

I think people need to just hit the brakes on the hyperbole. its selling worse than X360 and Xbox One. Looks like 40-50% worse compared to December 2016 so yeah, trash Phil all you want for that. But selling 1 million units in December is no easy feat.

Id say Phil has to go because his series s experiment, his gamepass initiative and his $85 billion in acquisitions have all resulted in a 40% reduction in sales from December 2016. For a console he called a failure. So if I were him, I would fall on my sword and resign even after selling a million units. But to say Xbox is dead or not compelling AT ALL when its selling a million fucking units is plain hyperbole.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

Congratulations to Xbox. They still came in 3rd but at least this month they had an increase from the previous year. That’s something right?!

I can’t help but feel that they intentionally put the Developer Direct on to distract from 3rd place sales.

 

[FIREKNIGHT2029]

All the fire sales in the world couldn't stop Xbox from still coming in last and losing to the 7 year old Switch and PS5 (the PS5 even managed to break records).


There's literally nothing MS can do at this point. Starfield and record low prices for them couldn't do anything.


Is it any surprise that they are pivoting towards being a third party publisher now? It's the only option they have.

 

[phant0m]

All the fire sales in the world couldn't stop Xbox from still coming in last and losing to the 7 year old Switch and PS5 (the PS5 even managed to break records).


There's literally nothing MS can do at this point. Starfield and record low prices for them couldn't do anything.


Is it any surprise that they are pivoting towards being a third party publisher now? It's the only option they have.

Yarp.
Said it in 2021: Xbox Series will be the last “traditional” console they make.

I expect next-gen they go full 3rd party with maybe a streaming or Series S style box for GamePass consumption.

 

[Luminoth-4545]

*Estimates, CESA white paper will give us the exact NPD/Circana numbers for 2023 later this year

Top Three Selling Platforms in the U.S per Calendar Year (millions of units)
Note: 1987 - 1993 is data found on Video Game Sales Wiki and may not be completely accurate, 1994 onwards is from NPD

1987
NES - 3.00
???
???

1988
NES - 5.00
???
???

1989
NES - 9.00
GB - 1.50
GEN - 0.50

1990
NES - 7.20
GB - 3.90
GEN - 1.00

1991
NES - 4.40
GB - 2.10
SNES - 2.00

1992
SNES - 4.90
GEN - 4.50
GB - 3.20

1993
GEN - 5.50
SNES - 4.40
GB - 3.60

1994
GEN - 3.27
SNES - 2.82
GB - 2.22

1995
SNES - 2.32
GB - 1.93
GEN - 1.89

1996
PS1 - 1.99
N64 - 1.97
GB - 1.68

1997
PS1 - 5.05
N64 - 4.49
GB - 2.10

1998
PS1 - 7.11
N64 - 4.14
GB - 1.92

1999
GBC - 6.45
PS1 - 5.84
N64 - 3.54

2000
GBC - 6.82
PS1 - 3.25
N64 - 2.53

2001
PS2 - 6.18
GBA - 4.75
GBC - 2.95

2002
PS2 - 8.39
GBA - 6.94
XB - 3.17

2003
GBA - 7.78
PS2 - 6.31
GCN - 3.27

2004
GBA - 7.08
PS2 - 4.68
XB - 4.01

2005
PS2 - 5.51
GBA - 4.37
PSP - 3.63

2006
NDS - 5.32
PS2 - 4.84
X360 - 3.90

2007
NDS - 8.43
Wii - 6.29
X360 - 4.62

2008
Wii - 10.17
NDS - 9.95
X360 - 4.74

2009
NDS - 11.19
Wii - 9.59
X360 - 4.77

2010
NDS - 8.58
Wii - 7.07
X360 - 6.76

2011
X360 - 7.28
Wii - 4.53
PS3 - 4.52

2012
X360 - 5.30
3DS - 3.63
PS3 - 3.41

2013
3DS - 3.81
X360 - 3.07
PS3 - 2.18

2014
PS4 - 4.68
XBO - 4.37
3DS - 2.57

2015
PS4 - 5.72
XBO - 4.93
3DS - 2.40

2016
PS4 - 5.10
XBO - 4.73
3DS - 2.49

2017
PS4 - 5.42
NSW - 4.87
XBO - 4.28

2018
NSW - 5.64
PS4 - 5.29
XBO - 4.36

2019
NSW - 6.48
PS4 - 3.83
XBO - 3.04

2020
NSW - 8.98
PS4 - 2.07
PS5 - 1.96

2021
NSW - 7.61
PS5 - 4.28
XBS - 3.73

2022
NSW - 5.83
PS5 - 5.66
XBS - 4.48

2023
PS5 - 6.83*
NSW - 4.80*
XBS - 3.88*

 

[onQ123]

*Estimates, CESA white paper will give us the exact NPD numbers for 2023 later this year

Top Three Selling Platforms in the U.S per Calendar Year (millions of units)
Note: 1987 - 1993 is data found on Video Game Sales Wiki and may not be completely accurate, 1994 onwards is from NPD

1987
NES - 3.00
???
???

1988
NES - 5.00
???
???

1989
NES - 9.20
GB - 1.50
GEN - 0.50

1990
NES - 7.20
GB - 3.90
GEN - 1.00

1991
NES - 4.40
GB - 2.10
SNES - 2.00

1992
SNES - 4.90
GEN - 4.50
GB - 3.20

1993
GEN - 5.50
SNES - 4.40
GB - 3.60

1994
GEN - 3.27
SNES - 2.82
GB - 2.22

1995
SNES - 2.32
GB - 1.93
GEN - 1.89

1996
PS1 - 1.99
N64 - 1.97
GB - 1.68

1997
PS1 - 5.05
N64 - 4.49
GB - 2.10

1998
PS1 - 7.11
N64 - 4.14
GB - 1.92

1999
GBC - 6.45
PS1 - 5.84
N64 - 3.54

2000
GBC - 6.82
PS1 - 3.25
N64 - 2.53

2001
PS2 - 6.18
GBA - 4.75
GBC - 2.95

2002
PS2 - 8.39
GBA - 6.94
XB - 3.17

2003
GBA - 7.78
PS2 - 6.31
GCN - 3.27

2004
GBA - 7.08
PS2 - 4.68
XB - 4.01

2005
PS2 - 5.51
GBA - 4.37
PSP - 3.63

2006
NDS - 5.32
PS2 - 4.84
X360 - 3.90

2007
NDS - 8.43
Wii - 6.29
X360 - 4.62

2008
Wii - 10.17
NDS - 9.95
X360 - 4.74

2009
NDS - 11.19
Wii - 9.59
X360 - 4.77

2010
NDS - 8.58
Wii - 7.07
X360 - 6.76

2011
X360 - 7.28
Wii - 4.53
PS3 - 4.52

2012
X360 - 5.30
3DS - 3.63
PS3 - 3.41

2013
3DS - 3.81
X360 - 3.07
PS3 - 2.18

2014
PS4 - 4.68
XBO - 4.37
3DS - 2.57

2015
PS4 - 5.72
XBO - 4.93
3DS - 2.40

2016
PS4 - 5.10
XBO - 4.73
3DS - 2.49

2017
PS4 - 5.42
NSW - 4.87
XBO - 4.28

2018
NSW - 5.64
PS4 - 5.29
XBO - 4.36

2019
NSW - 6.48
PS5 - 3.83
XBO - 3.04

2020
NSW - 8.98
PS4 - 2.07
PS5 - 1.96

2021
NSW - 7.61
PS5 - 4.28
XBS - 3.73

2022
NSW - 5.83
PS5 - 5.66
XBS - 4.48

2023
PS5 - 6.83*
NSW - 4.80*
XBS - 3.88*

Nintendo was in beast mode 2007 - 2010

 

[Luminoth-4545]

Nintendo was in beast mode 2007 - 2010

Yeah, 20 million combined systems sold two years in a row, 1989 and 2020 were very dominant too.

 

[MisterXDTV]

I mean it's just a joke at this point

To finish third with TWO heavily discounted consoles (one of which sold for $150), behind a 7-year old portable that everybody knows it's gonna be replaced in a few months....

Unbelievable

 

[Woopah]

But they are choosing. They are choosing between games that can run on this handheld hardware with 15 Watts TDP vs whats widely available today. Just look at the top 20. 90% of the games are not available on the Switch. Why? Because of the handheld specs. Nintendo made a choice to skip producing consoles that can play current gen games and decided to go with PS360 era specs knowing full well they would be missing out on the CoDs, the Battlefields, the Assassins Creeds and all major third party franchises we take for granted.

The Switch is selling better than the 3DS because unlike the 3DS, all its first party studios are making the games for the Switch. yes, it's selling because of exceptional nintendo first party support, but it is completely unfair to compare it to traditional consoles that are literally 50x more powerful and thus more expensive offering a massive library of games that the Switch simply cant afford to offer due to its handheld specs.

Now if the Switch 2 comes out and runs Alan Wake 2 and Avatar on day one, and begins receiving day one ports then fine. But right now, Nintendo itself has assured it cant be compared to traditional consoles because its simply not running the games running on modern consoles. And this goes back to last gen when it missed out on 90% of the games. Its a cool toy for kids and hardcore gamers who like the 1-2 zelda and mario games from Nintendo every year, but if you wanted to play Baldurs Gate 3, Star Wars, Street Fighter, CoD, Avatar, Alan Wake, RE4 and all the other games you see in the top 20, you needed another console on the side.

I don't think shared library is the best way of looking at it. After all, DS had a very different library to the PSP. Same for Wii/PS3, GameCube/Xbox, GBA/PS2 etc.

All of those systems were compared by Circana in the same way Switch and PS5 are.

 

[Insane Metal]

Another month of Xbox being dead last behind the 7 YEARS old Switch, despite the price cuts, cheap Series S and generation defining games like Starfield.

We LOVE to see it.

At least it wasn't a bloodbath, it still managed to sell over 1M units, that's not bad at all

 

[tkscz]

Looks like on the purple forum some people are pretty upset that Hogwarts Legacy finished as the best-selling video game in the US last year.

Just a note, the suicide rate isn't any higher, so I guess no trans people killed themselves over a fucking video game existing.

 

[SlimySnake]

I feel like this deserves a new thread. From the installbase forum:

2023
PS5 : 18.664.000
X/S : 13.476.000

2016
PS4 : 17.529.000
XB1 : 15.851.000

Gap has gone from just 1.7 million to 5.2 million this gen. Phil blamed the failure of the XOne on Don. Well, he is the only one to blame now. At least Don had the decency to resign.

 

[Luminoth-4545]

PS5 has entered the supernova phase of the PS2

It's doing very well but let's not get carried away, the PS2's December 2002 was 2.69 million.

PS2 NPD 2002
January - 357,971
February - 414,500
March - 359,163
April - 195,707
May - 463,709
June - 690,021
July - 435,536
August - 452,412
September - 531,751
October - 516,622
November - 1,283,811
December - 2,686,288
Total 2002 - 8,387,491

 

[Luminoth-4545]

NPD December's above 1.5 million, no monthly data before 2001 so Gameboy, PS1, NES, SNES and Genesis that would probably be on this list are absent. The PS3 just missed the list with it's best December being 1.36 million in 2009.

December NPD (millions of units)

2009: Wii - 3.81
2009: NDS - 3.31
2008: NDS - 3.04
2002: PS2 - 2.69
2010: NDS - 2.51
2007: NDS - 2.47
2010: Wii - 2.36
2003: GBA - 2.26
2008: Wii - 2.15
2002: GBA - 2.14
2004: GBA - 2.06
2020: NSW - 2.06
2019: NSW - 2.04
2001: PS2 - 1.95
2003: PS2 - 1.94
2010: X360 - 1.86
2018: NSW - 1.77
2011: X360 - 1.73
2001: GBA - 1.71
2011: 3DS - 1.61
2015: PS4 - 1.58
2016: PS4 - 1.57
2023: PS5 - 1.53*
2016: XBO - 1.51
2017: NSW - 1.50

* Estimate

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Sony don't have to get aggro with GaaS to do that, though. There are other ways they can cull the budgets and increase profit margins even with the traditional games. IMO they'd be getting more money taking the funds for most of the PC ports and making some 1P AA games instead.

Why are people acting like Sony is planning to go GaaS predominantly?

They have barely any GaaS going atm, so obviously they have to invest more into GaaS to get studios and projects up and running the next few years. As well as marketing, because they're up against games like Fortnite and Warzone.

AAA singleplayer will still be their bread and butter, because that's what makes them successful.

But they can't just magically create GaaS out of nowhere.

 

[Rocco Schiavone]

PS5 be like

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

I feel like this deserves a new thread. From the installbase forum:

2023
PS5 : 18.664.000
X/S : 13.476.000

2016
PS4 : 17.529.000
XB1 : 15.851.000

Gap has gone from just 1.7 million to 5.2 million this gen. Phil blamed the failure of the XOne on Don. Well, he is the only one to blame now. At least Don had the decency to resign.

The last 10+ year failure is on Phil due not delivering exciting AAA exclusives

That’s why nobody cares about Xbox series consoles. Has nothing to do with digital library BS

Build the games and they will come

 

[mckmas8808]

Hogwarts Legacy is probably the wokest game I have ever played. I have no idea what these people's issue with this game is. They have literally bent over backward to appease everybody in this game. It is also not that great of a game, objectively. OTOH I bought it for both PS4 and PC so maybe I love woke mediocrity

Your opinion can't be objective. That's not how that works. It's subjective.

 

[mckmas8808]

TBF Zelda's sales don't include digital while Spiderman 2's does. With digital it's probable Zelda outsold Spiderman 2 in NA for the year, but probably by "just" a modest gap and nothing crazy.

I've seen fools on Twitter try claiming Spiderman 2 is a financial failure, despite placing 4th for best-selling in the year with only two full months of being on sale. The lengths some are going to try downplaying the game is crazy.

They've done the same thing with TLOU2 also. Great sales to them isn't enough.

This place kinda did the same with SM2 (“too woke!”) and Diablo IV despite both being in Top 10 YTD.

Some posters on GAF are the Anti-REEE indeed.

Welfare's estimates for December are in:

December
PS5 - 1.53M
NSW - 1.25M
XBS - 1.13M

Total 2023
PS5 - 6.83M
NSW - 4.80M
XBS - 3.88M

LTD
NSW - 44.21M
PS5 - 18.73M
XBS - 13.58M

So in 2023 PS5 is at 64% and Xbox Series is at 36%. This is almost a 2 to 1 margin in America alone!!!! Crazy!

I feel like this deserves a new thread. From the installbase forum:

2023
PS5 : 18.664.000
X/S : 13.476.000

2016
PS4 : 17.529.000
XB1 : 15.851.000

Gap has gone from just 1.7 million to 5.2 million this gen. Phil blamed the failure of the XOne on Don. Well, he is the only one to blame now. At least Don had the decency to resign.

And GamePass has hit a ceiling too. So what has Phil actually done right?

 

[Luminoth-4545]

They've done the same thing with TLOU2 also. Great sales to them isn't enough.



Some posters on GAF are the Anti-REEE indeed.



So in 2023 PS5 is at 64% and Xbox Series is at 36%. This is almost a 2 to 1 margin in America alone!!!! Crazy!



And GamePass has hit a ceiling too. So what has Phil actually done right?

We have to wait for the quarterly earnings reports but Globally for calendar year 2023 it is going to be around 24 million PS5 and 7.7 million XBS which just over 3 to 1.

 

[kazuyamishima]

Good position for Niche Man 2 considering that bundle units are not included in Circana.

 

[mckmas8808]

We have to wait for the quarterly earnings reports but Globally for calendar year 2023 it is going to be around 24 million PS5 and 7.7 million XBS which just over 3 to 1.

It's crazy that a 3 to 1 margin is even possible at the end of the 3rd year of these consoles. I'd expect something like this by year 5. Also sad that Sony probably won't hit their 25 million FY goal. Do you think they may over-ship between now and March 31st in order to hit their number?

 

[HeWhoWalks]

It's crazy that a 3 to 1 margin is even possible at the end of the 3rd year of these consoles. I'd expect something like this by year 5. Also sad that Sony probably won't hit their 25 million FY goal. Do you think they may over-ship between now and March 31st in order to hit their number?

I mean, it's 1 million shy of 25 million. I'd say that's far from sad, and, in fact, quite a damn feat! Most consoles have never done that.

 

[mckmas8808]

I mean, it's 1 million shy of 25 million. I'd say that's far from sad, and, in fact, quite a damn feat! Most consoles have never done that.

I guess the part that make it sad is that I TOTALLY expected that when they estimated 25 million it meant that the PS5 slim would come out at a MSRP of $399 and the disc-less version being $349. I'm still disappointed by that not happening. But business is business and supply and demand is what it is.

 

[HeWhoWalks]

I guess the part that make it sad is that I TOTALLY expected that them estimated 25 million meant that the PS5 slim would come out at a MSRP of $399 and the disc-less version being $349. I'm still disappointed by that not happening. But business is business and supply and demand is what it is.

I get that expectation for sure. I still think they'll fall a little closer to the target than 24 (say 24.5m).